OT: Bigger WTF trade?

[ctpatsfan77]

Which one was worse, Devers or Doncic?

 

[billdog3484]

doncic

 

[rkarp1]

Doncic by far
part of Raffy's deal, given the length and amount, needed to be he became a leader. he never embraced that, and actually became the opposite, a malcontent, and a non hustler.
this now becomes Bregmans, Story and Crochet's team, with the young guys given the chance to shine

 

[Wozzy]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks the NBA convinced the Mavs to trade Doncic to the Lakers in the hopes of reviving the Celtics/Lakers finals magic and in turn revive lagging NBA viewership.

In return the newly owned Mavs received the first overall pick in the draft… which we all know has been rigged for decades.

 

[patfanken]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks the NBA convinced the Mavs to trade Doncic to the Lakers in the hopes of reviving the Celtics/Lakers finals magic and in turn revive lagging NBA viewership.

In return the newly owned Mavs received the first overall pick in the draft… which we all know has been rigged for decades.

Unfortunately, that sounds eerily true to me and if it IS the truth, Dallas got the far better of the deal since Luka comes with some minuses with his great talent for scoring. He's a negative on defense and there are questions about his off season preparation.

With getting the #1 pick, the Mavs get a similar talent to Luka, but who has a far higher upside on defense and is about 7 years younger. They also got an all star big man in Davis. In a year or two, Dallas is going to be a force in the West. They got the far better of that deal given the #1 pick

 

[TheRainMaker]

I've got to find my post, but I'm sure I wrote the LeBron would find a way to lose in the first round again after the Doncic trade. I've been a Lakers fans since the Magic days as a young kid, but I can't stand LeBron's nonsense with the team catering to him. No matter what they do, it's somehow never good enough.

Also, I'm not that big of a fan of Doncic's game and has that "plumber" vibe that people have been recently talking about. The game overall has gone downhill since the emergence of the Warriors.

Update: Here's my post.

The reality was, Anthony Davis is not the future for the Lakers. If this were anytime before the 2010/Steph Curry era, the big man was the centerpiece of the team. Those players just can't carry teams anymore when players have become a 3 point shooting team first. Not to mention Davis is extremely unreliable. Lakers fans got a first taste of it during the 2011-12 semi finals when Andrew Bynum was having his best postseason fighting hard for every point and Kobe doing his thing, only for the Mavericks to trade with 3 pointers. As a Lakers fan, it was tough to watch. The post game was going extinct.

With that said, I'm shocked the Mavericks did this deal. I still don't think it will be enough for LeBron and the Lakers. LeBron is the highest maintenance player I've ever seen. He will find a way for the other team to overwhelm them when the playoffs roll around.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

In return the newly owned Mavs received the first overall pick in the draft… which we all know has been rigged for decades.

The problem with this is that the league couldn't have made that promise at the time. They were a play-in team as it is, and that was after extraordinarily bad injury luck. I suppose they could've said "If you miss the playoffs we'll give you the #1 pick," but that'd be an even bigger mess.

 

[DaBruinz]

The DEVERS drama was all orchestrated by Breslow. He never should have signed Bregman without having a deal in place to ship Devers out.

Breslow completed the total cluster-f**k handling of Betts, Bogarts and Devers by John Henry and his ownership group.

What should have been the latest "Big 3" to build the Red Sox around has amounted to a bunch of nothing in trades.

The only saving grace seems to be the Scouting Staff getting things right with Campbell, Anthony and Mayers. We'll get 3-4 years of them before ownership fubars the situation again.

 

[sb1]

I can't think of an equivalent for the Patriots. A Brady trade wouldn't be it, it would be a salary dump for draft picks and Brady wasn't making much relative to his peers.

 

[Wozzy]

The problem with this is that the league couldn't have made that promise at the time. They were a play-in team as it is, and that was after extraordinarily bad injury luck. I suppose they could've said "If you miss the playoffs we'll give you the #1 pick," but that'd be an even bigger mess.

Yet it happened, they got the pick… tanking once the trade occurred was easy enough.

 

[ViperGTS]

I can't think of an equivalent for the Patriots. A Brady trade wouldn't be it, it would be a salary dump for draft picks and Brady wasn't making much relative to his peers.

Best trade I could do for the Pats is Gronk signing a monster contract and a year later be traded for a practice player.

 

[Vindicate]

I can't think of an equivalent for the Patriots. A Brady trade wouldn't be it, it would be a salary dump for draft picks and Brady wasn't making much relative to his peers.

If we had traded Gronk when he Bill was threatening to trade him to the Lions? That's the closest I can think of.

 

[Vindicate]

Best trade I could do for the Pats is Gronk signing a monster contract and a year later be traded for a practice player.

Great minds think alike and apparently at the exact same time.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Seymour to the Raiders was a WTF, Also trading Shaq Mason made no sense. And of course trading Chandler Jones for a bag of magic beans was awful too!

This whole Devers situation is at Cora’s feet. He is supposed to be the one who can deal with the Latin players. Cora should have been banned for life for cheating. I can’t wait until they show him the door.

Imagine if the Sox still had Devers, Bogaerts, Sale, and of course Betts.

Gee what a great team that would be!

 

[ViperGTS]

Seymour to the Raiders was a WTF, Also trading Shaq Mason made no sense. And of course trading Chandler Jones for a bag of magic beans was awful too!

This whole Devers situation is at Cora’s feet. He is supposed to be the one who can deal with the Latin players. Cora should have been banned for life for cheating. I can’t wait until they show him the door.

Imagine if the Sox still had Devers, Bogaerts, Sale, and of course Betts.

Gee what a great team that would be!

Bogie kind of sucks now, Devers was a PITA and Sale while here was never healthy, gets traded and wins the Cy Young. Betts is the X factor but I am not as high on Betts as some others are.

 

[ViperGTS]

And there it is. This is true and what I have been hearing as well. *******.

https://x.com/home

 

[Raccoonsuit]

I stopped caring about the Sox a decade ago. John Henry is super unlikeable and bought the globe so journalists couldn't **** talk the team.

The mavs obviously made the finals and trading for Davis is hilarious. He got injured right away which everyone knew would happen and it was just another in the long line of shady deals the NBA has orchestrated.

Trading Doncic without even checking with any other teams is gm malpractice but it's par for the course in the nba.

 

[patfanken]

The DEVERS drama was all orchestrated by Breslow. He never should have signed Bregman without having a deal in place to ship Devers out.

Breslow completed the total cluster-f**k handling of Betts, Bogarts and Devers by John Henry and his ownership group.

What should have been the latest "Big 3" to build the Red Sox around has amounted to a bunch of nothing in trades.

The only saving grace seems to be the Scouting Staff getting things right with Campbell, Anthony and Mayers. We'll get 3-4 years of them before ownership fubars the situation again.

The DEVERS drama was all orchestrated by Breslow. He never should have signed Bregman without having a deal in place to ship Devers out.

Breslow completed the total cluster-f**k handling of Betts, Bogarts and Devers by John Henry and his ownership group.

What should have been the latest "Big 3" to build the Red Sox around has amounted to a bunch of nothing in trades.

The only saving grace seems to be the Scouting Staff getting things right with Campbell, Anthony and Mayers. We'll get 3-4 years of them before ownership fubars the situation again.

Quite frankly I give a pass to ownership on those 3 deals. I know that goes against the prevailing wind, but it does mesh with the facts. Let's start with Mookie

Betts was a free agent to wanted to go to the west coast and live. It was as simple as that. He was NOT going to sign with the Red Sox period. The choice was to make a mid-season trade and get SOMETHING or watch him walk and get nothing. They simply chose the former. And while Bogarts has lived up to his contract every season with the Dodgers, the contract is LONG and at some point every players wheels come off and its usually more than a few years before the contract ends

Bogarts- Looks like the Sox did the right thing. The Padres also gave him a LONG contract and in his 2nd year with the club he's already considered a disappointment. His numbers are down and he's no longer a SS.

Now we have Devers. I loved him during his time here just like I loved Mooki and Xander. But WTF, the club gave him the LT,$300MM deal he asked for and he still feels the organization disrespected him because a better 3rd baseman joined the club and he refused to do what was best for the ball club.

I don't know much about the 2 pitchers we got, but it seems like neither are anything special, but they could improve the overall depth. The 2 prospects are probably the key. I read where one was their #4 prospect. We shall see.

On the plus side it opens up some more opportunities for the young guns and we'll see what happens. It will be a VERY interesting series when the Sox land in SF this week. 4 in a row, 2 games above .500, winning close games for a change, and only 5.5 games behind the Yankees.

Chris Sale was universally considered a HORRIBLE signing, which was unfortunate because when he was healthy he was very good here, BUT he was never healthy for us. The same people who are now complaining about his trade where the SAME people who were demanding we ship him out for some batting practice balls. True the trade sucked for us. They got the Cy Young winner and we got ANOTHER guy who couldn't get on the field. But that's how trades go sometimes.

 

[rkarp1]

Quite frankly I give a pass to ownership on those 3 deals. I know that goes against the prevailing wind, but it does mesh with the facts. Let's start with Mookie

Betts was a free agent to wanted to go to the west coast and live. It was as simple as that. He was NOT going to sign with the Red Sox period. The choice was to make a mid-season trade and get SOMETHING or watch him walk and get nothing. They simply chose the former. And while Bogarts has lived up to his contract every season with the Dodgers, the contract is LONG and at some point every players wheels come off and its usually more than a few years before the contract ends

Bogarts- Looks like the Sox did the right thing. The Padres also gave him a LONG contract and in his 2nd year with the club he's already considered a disappointment. His numbers are down and he's no longer a SS.

Now we have Devers. I loved him during his time here just like I loved Mooki and Xander. But WTF, the club gave him the LT,$300MM deal he asked for and he still feels the organization disrespected him because a better 3rd baseman joined the club and he refused to do what was best for the ball club.

I don't know much about the 2 pitchers we got, but it seems like neither are anything special, but they could improve the overall depth. The 2 prospects are probably the key. I read where one was their #4 prospect. We shall see.

On the plus side it opens up some more opportunities for the young guns and we'll see what happens. It will be a VERY interesting series when the Sox land in SF this week. 4 in a row, 2 games above .500, winning close games for a change, and only 5.5 games behind the Yankees.

Chris Sale was universally considered a HORRIBLE signing, which was unfortunate because when he was healthy he was very good here, BUT he was never healthy for us. The same people who are now complaining about his trade where the SAME people who were demanding we ship him out for some batting practice balls. True the trade sucked for us. They got the Cy Young winner and we got ANOTHER guy who couldn't get on the field. But that's how trades go sometimes.

I agree with you
for me, the RS involved with Bregman and Nolan Arenado speaks to the need of a very young team, getting even younger, and craving leadership, which Raffy never had been able to supply. the selfish moves by Raffy of not doing everything to help the team, initially rejecting the DH move, and then permanently rejecting the 1b move, is extremely poor form on a team with so much youth.
the team is now in the hands of Mayer, Roman, KC, Abreu, Crochet with Bregman and Story providing leadership and professionalism.

 

[DaBruinz]

Quite frankly I give a pass to ownership on those 3 deals. I know that goes against the prevailing wind, but it does mesh with the facts. Let's start with Mookie

Betts was a free agent to wanted to go to the west coast and live. It was as simple as that. He was NOT going to sign with the Red Sox period. The choice was to make a mid-season trade and get SOMETHING or watch him walk and get nothing. They simply chose the former. And while Bogarts has lived up to his contract every season with the Dodgers, the contract is LONG and at some point every players wheels come off and its usually more than a few years before the contract ends

Bogarts- Looks like the Sox did the right thing. The Padres also gave him a LONG contract and in his 2nd year with the club he's already considered a disappointment. His numbers are down and he's no longer a SS.

Now we have Devers. I loved him during his time here just like I loved Mooki and Xander. But WTF, the club gave him the LT,$300MM deal he asked for and he still feels the organization disrespected him because a better 3rd baseman joined the club and he refused to do what was best for the ball club.

I don't know much about the 2 pitchers we got, but it seems like neither are anything special, but they could improve the overall depth. The 2 prospects are probably the key. I read where one was their #4 prospect. We shall see.

On the plus side it opens up some more opportunities for the young guns and we'll see what happens. It will be a VERY interesting series when the Sox land in SF this week. 4 in a row, 2 games above .500, winning close games for a change, and only 5.5 games behind the Yankees.

Chris Sale was universally considered a HORRIBLE signing, which was unfortunate because when he was healthy he was very good here, BUT he was never healthy for us. The same people who are now complaining about his trade where the SAME people who were demanding we ship him out for some batting practice balls. True the trade sucked for us. They got the Cy Young winner and we got ANOTHER guy who couldn't get on the field. But that's how trades go sometimes.

We'll agree to disagree on Betts. If the Sox had offered up the $300M contract that the Dodgers did, he'd still be here.

Where did you see that Bogaerts isn't playing SS anymore? Bogaerts moved back to SS this year with the departure of Ha-Seong Kim to Tampa.

You're also forgetting that the things that happened to Bogaerts wouldn't have happened if he'd stayed in Boston.

The organization DID disrespect Devers. They made him the FACE and then couldn't even be bothered to talk to him before they signed Bregman. Telling Devers after you've signed Bregman that he's moving permanently to DH wasn't the way to do things.

They should have gone to Devers ahead of time and explained to him that they had the opportunity to improve the defense by signing Bregman. Then pitch the move to DH with it but also with him learning 1B to be a back-up to Casas. That he'd play 1st when Casas needed a day off. But you have that entire conversation with David Ortiz present so that Ortiz can help Devers understand the need and why it benefits him (Devers) in the long run.

Instead, they created a s**tstorm of drama and got less than they should have

Yes, Tibbs was supposedly the Giant's 4th overall prospect. But where is he in terms of the Top 100 in baseball currently?? Based on the MLB page, he's not in the top 100. With the Sox outfield pretty stacked with Duran, Abreu, and Anthony, not to mention the youngster Cedanne, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to add Tibbs let alone make him a cornerstone of the deal.

They got 2 middling pitcher who may or may not help the team and a pitching prospect in Bello who is in Minor A ball as a Relief pitcher.

Breslow weakened this team over-all. He took a major source of offense out of the line-up and put nothing back in.

They're setting up Campbell, Mayer and Anthony for failure by putting too much pressure on the kids to perform NOW.

So, besides pitching, they need someone who can hit in the 3/4 spot to make teams fear this offense.