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[Ring 6]

I assume you mean Pop and Boutte. I think you undersell Bourne. He wasn't great last year but he got better and there's a long history of guys needing a year to get back to normal after injuries like he had. Not great, but I think he's "worthwhile".

We have so much cap space and so many holes to fill that it's kind of a game of musical chairs. I don't expect perfect solutions at every spot. If Pop/Bourne/Boutte are the #2-#4 receivers next year, I think that's something we can live with for a year. Would remain something we need to address longer term though. But if something they need to live with because they used their resources at other spots (OL, EDGE, FS, CB, LB) then I think it's ok.

Bourne at his best isn’t a starting caliber WR, and he will now be 30 coming off just 28 catches in 12 games on a team desperate for WRs, and has knee injury history.
If we are high to have WR4s on the roster, they shouldn’t be aging guys with injury issues. I’d rather keep Boutte as WR4 because he has more upside.

 

[Huckleberry1]

That's what Wolf said.
If you believe that, especially after the full-on dumpster diving they did last offseason, then I don't know what to tell you.

You're right, they have to want to play here. You need to pay them more than other teams would. The Patriots have more money to spend than anyone else, and did last offseason too - and didn't do it.

Unfortunately Wolf did go after Ridley and Aiyuk hard, and I’m really glad Ridley wanted to go to Tennessee. The 49ers ended up deciding to keep Aiyuk, who wanted to go to Pittsburgh.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Bourne at his best isn’t a starting caliber WR, and he will now be 30 coming off just 28 catches in 12 games on a team desperate for WRs, and has knee injury history.
If we are high to have WR4s on the roster, they shouldn’t be aging guys with injury issues. I’d rather keep Boutte as WR4 because he has more upside.

What is the world is a "starting caliber WR"? This isn't basketball. Receivers are categorized by X (outside), Z (move), slot, and Y (tight end). If Bourne is worth 800 yards like 2021 under Josh, he certainly is the Z on most NFL teams. Not a single team had multiple 1,000 WR in 2024. AJ Brown 1,079 and DeVonta smith 833. Ja'Marr Chase 1,708 and Tee Higgins 911. Justin Jefferson 1,533 and Jordan Addison 875. Tyreek Hill 959 and Jaylen Waddle 744. If Bourne can put up 800 again, he certainly is a Z on most teams in the league.

There is an argument as to whether Bourne can get back to 2021 production. You just can't use 2024 as the thermometer for where his is though. First, he came off a major injury. Second, his coaches were dumb as rocks. Third, he is a very emotional player and that lover room was chaos. Bourne now has the opportunity to shine again. The situation is actually ideal for him. He has shown he can thrive under Josh and has two years on his contract. Is he a #3-4 option right now? Sure, but you need 3 WR on the field in most sets. Bourne can play slot and Z and did great for Josh in Z. Oh ya, and Bourne was a 800 yard WR with Mac Jones. Drake is a little better.

We cannot fix the whole team in one season. If we sign a vet WR, Bourne is still a necessary piece. If we draft a WR, Bourne is still a necessary piece. Vet, rookie, Polk, Pop, Bourne, Boutte. We need the vet or rookie to be an X.

 

[PatsFan2]

I assume you mean Pop and Boutte. I think you undersell Bourne. He wasn't great last year but he got better and there's a long history of guys needing a year to get back to normal after injuries like he had. Not great, but I think he's "worthwhile".

We have so much cap space and so many holes to fill that it's kind of a game of musical chairs. I don't expect perfect solutions at every spot. If Pop/Bourne/Boutte are the #2-#4 receivers next year, I think that's something we can live with for a year. Would remain something we need to address longer term though. But if something they need to live with because they used their resources at other spots (OL, EDGE, FS, CB, LB) then I think it's ok.

Bourne?? Who can barely get open I don't think he's in our Future plans.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Bourne?? Who can barely get open I don't think he's in our Future plans.

I doubt he is. That wasn't what I was saying in my post. My point is that it's unrealistic to think they're going to churn this terrible roster COMPLETELY over to the point that every spot is filled with a guy they have in their "future plans". A summary of our needs is probably something like...

#1 WR
#2 WR
Starting LT
Starting RT
#2 CB
Coverage FS
At least one, maybe 2 starting LBs
At least 1 starting EDGE, maybe 2 depending on if they like White inside more on passing downs
#2 TE
Backup RB capable of taking real snaps from Stevenson
A starting Guard and/or Center depending on DAndrews' recovery from injury and what the new coaches think of Strange/Robinson/Sow/JAndrews
A starting DT if they don't think Barmore can be counted on

That's a LOT of needs. Like a REAL LOT of needs.

Bourne had a solid year in 2021 and was off to a good start in 2023. 2022 was a lost year in the weird Patricia doghouse. Last year he wasn't good but history shows guys take up to a whole year to get back to themselves and he was better as the year went on. He's 30 which isn't a spring chicken, but he's not on his last legs either I don't think. I actually expect him to be better than Douglas or Boutte next year, though those guys make more sense to keep/prioritize a role for in the long term. I also don't think much of either of them, so don't take that as some huge compliment to Bourne.

I don't want to get caught up in semantics here. Big picture we're on the same page. Bourne is not in the long term plans here. I just don't mind that much if he's in a group with Douglas/Boutte as the #2-#4 receiver if that is a leftover position after they give some attention to the needs above. Some of those spots will be inadequately filled and if it's #2 WR where we're forced to go with that trio of guys who should be #3/#4, then I can tolerate it.

 

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[Ring 6]

What is the world is a "starting caliber WR"? This isn't basketball. Receivers are categorized by X (outside), Z (move), slot, and Y (tight end). If Bourne is worth 800 yards like 2021 under Josh, he certainly is the Z on most NFL teams. Not a single team had multiple 1,000 WR in 2024. AJ Brown 1,079 and DeVonta smith 833. Ja'Marr Chase 1,708 and Tee Higgins 911. Justin Jefferson 1,533 and Jordan Addison 875. Tyreek Hill 959 and Jaylen Waddle 744. If Bourne can put up 800 again, he certainly is a Z on most teams in the league.

There is an argument as to whether Bourne can get back to 2021 production. You just can't use 2024 as the thermometer for where his is though. First, he came off a major injury. Second, his coaches were dumb as rocks. Third, he is a very emotional player and that lover room was chaos. Bourne now has the opportunity to shine again. The situation is actually ideal for him. He has shown he can thrive under Josh and has two years on his contract. Is he a #3-4 option right now? Sure, but you need 3 WR on the field in most sets. Bourne can play slot and Z and did great for Josh in Z. Oh ya, and Bourne was a 800 yard WR with Mac Jones. Drake is a little better.

We cannot fix the whole team in one season. If we sign a vet WR, Bourne is still a necessary piece. If we draft a WR, Bourne is still a necessary piece. Vet, rookie, Polk, Pop, Bourne, Boutte. We need the vet or rookie to be an X.

I think starting caliber is a pretty easily understandable term. Bourne isn’t.
Bourne had 305 yard last year. His career average is 33.5 yards per game.
He isn’t going to get better.

We need to fix every part of the team that we can and with 130 mill in cap space, we surely need and can get 2 WRs better than Bourne.

 

[Ring 6]

Unfortunately Wolf did go after Ridley and Aiyuk hard, and I’m really glad Ridley wanted to go to Tennessee. The 49ers ended up deciding to keep Aiyuk, who wanted to go to Pittsburgh.

Ridley had 1000 yards and 16 ypc with ass at qb. Aiyuk is probably better than anyone we will get this year.
But we weren’t getting either. We didn’t “go hard” we were outbid in Ridley and Aiyuk was only using us for leverage.

Either would have been better than keeping the money in Krafts pocket though.

 

[imahobgoblin]

I think starting caliber is a pretty easily understandable term. Bourne isn’t.
Bourne had 305 yard last year. His career average is 33.5 yards per game.
He isn’t going to get better.

We need to fix every part of the team that we can and with 130 mill in cap space, we surely need and can get 2 WRs better than Bourne.

Bourne was good in 2021. He was not in 2024. He was coming off a major injury and surgery. He is going to be better if he stays healthy. No, we cannot fix every part of the team this year. Its going to take at least 2-3 offseasons to get into contention. If you do not believe that, you are delusional.

 

[Ring 6]

Bourne was good in 2021. He was not in 2024. He was coming off a major injury and surgery. He is going to be better if he stays healthy. No, we cannot fix every part of the team this year. It’s going to take at least 2-3 offseasons to get into contention. If you do not believe that, you are delusional.

He had one decent season and is 30. Why in the world would you want to rely on that guy? His career numbers say he is a <600 yard guy.

We have 130 mill in cap space, and a lot of draft capital. We have the most resources to improve the team that any team has ever had. We have the Qb
We have more cap space this year than teams typically have in the 2-3 years you are referring to, so it would be delusional to think this team can’t use those resources effectively and contend this year.

Washington turned it around in one season
The chargers turned it around in one season.
Houston turned it around in one year
Many teams have turned it around in one season and none of them had the resources we have this year.
Were the 2001 patriots “delusional”
The 1999 Rams?

We have $130 million to add talent with, we can upgrade basically every weak spot on the roster and WR1 and WR2 are among the weakest. We don’t need all pros, but we need a guy better than 33 yards a game.

 

[imahobgoblin]

He had one decent season and is 30. Why in the world would you want to rely on that guy? His career numbers say he is a <600 yard guy.

We have 130 mill in cap space, and a lot of draft capital. We have the most resources to improve the team that any team has ever had. We have the Qb
We have more cap space this year than teams typically have in the 2-3 years you are referring to, so it would be delusional to think this team can’t use those resources effectively and contend this year.

Washington turned it around in one season
The chargers turned it around in one season.
Houston turned it around in one year
Many teams have turned it around in one season and none of them had the resources we have this year.
Were the 2001 patriots “delusional”
The 1999 Rams?

We have $130 million to add talent with, we can upgrade basically every weak spot on the roster and WR1 and WR2 are among the weakest. We don’t need all pros, but we need a guy better than 33 yards a game.

Here is a newsflash for you. In 2021, the Patriots spent a record $159.6 million in free agency, which was the largest spending spree in franchise history. According to you we should be a new dynasty by now. Why aren't we? BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG. This is not a frikin video game. Heck you still think we have $130 million, but we don't. Its about $119 right now.

I said nothing about relying on the guy. We have to prioritize and build. The difference between the Pats and Washington, SD, and Houston's rosters are like night and day. This is not 2001. This is now the reality of 2025. Our cap space will dry up fast when we have to outbid for WR, DE, OT, LB, and DL because of the suck tax. I would even guess you are going to be the first to complain about what we have to pay to get players here before we start to be a winning franchise. We are losers right now. The build has 2-3 more years. Mark it down.

 

[Ring 6]

Here is a newsflash for you. In 2021, the Patriots spent a record $159.6 million in free agency, which was the largest spending spree in franchise history. According to you we should be a new dynasty by now. Why aren't we? BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG. This is not a frikin video game. Heck you still think we have $130 million, but we don't. Its about $119 right now.

I said nothing about relying on the guy. We have to prioritize and build. The difference between the Pats and Washington, SD, and Houston's rosters are like night and day. This is not 2001. This is now the reality of 2025. Our cap space will dry up fast when we have to outbid for WR, DE, OT, LB, and DL because of the suck tax. I would even guess you are going to be the first to complain about what we have to pay to get players here before we start to be a winning franchise. We are losers right now. The build has 2-3 more years. Mark it down.

First of all they didn’t spend 159.6 mill of cap space. It was something like. 70 in cap space.
They made the playoffs.
The final cap number isn’t set.
You literally said rely on Bourne.

So your argument is you think it’s different than all of the other times so it can’t happen. You add nothing to the conversation other than you want to be negative so everything has to be negative.

We have 120 milll, which will end up be 130 mill. We have more resources to improve this team this year than any other team has ever had. We have 8 games against teams that win 5 or less. We have the Qb. Many teams have rebuilt in a year.
There is no reason, if we use the resources correctly, that we will not be a contender.

 

[imahobgoblin]

First of all they didn’t spend 159.6 mill of cap space. It was something like. 70 in cap space.
They made the playoffs.
The final cap number isn’t set.
You literally said rely on Bourne.

So your argument is you think it’s different than all of the other times so it can’t happen. You add nothing to the conversation other than you want to be negative so everything has to be negative.

We have 120 milll, which will end up be 130 mill. We have more resources to improve this team this year than any other team has ever had. We have 8 games against teams that win 5 or less. We have the Qb. Many teams have rebuilt in a year.
There is no reason, if we use the resources correctly, that we will not be a contender.

There is no hope for you. You live in a video game world. Pure delusion.

 

[Dec54]

There is no hope for you. You live in a video game world. Pure delusion.

Red Dead Redemption 2....Now that's what I call a Video Game

 

[Triumph]

What is the world is a "starting caliber WR"?

A guy who you want on the field in crunch time.

A difference maker which Bourne, Polk, Baker aint.

This isn't basketball. Receivers are categorized by X (outside), Z (move), slot, and Y (tight end). If Bourne is worth 800 yards like 2021 under Josh, he certainly is the Z on most NFL teams.

Bourne is a spare part.

No DC is in his right mind is worried about stopping a Jag like Bourne. Thats why SF let him leave. They drafted Aiyuk and Elevated 7th round Juan Jennings who has been paying dividends. Then SF paid Aiyuk unlike Bourne which was the right decision.

Not a single team had multiple 1,000 WR in 2024. AJ Brown 1,079 and DeVonta smith 833. Ja'Marr Chase 1,708 and Tee Higgins 911. Justin Jefferson 1,533 and Jordan Addison 875. Tyreek Hill 959 and Jaylen Waddle 744. If Bourne can put up 800 again, he certainly is a Z on most teams in the league.

There is an argument as to whether Bourne can get back to 2021 production. You just can't use 2024 as the thermometer for where his is though. First, he came off a major injury. Second, his coaches were dumb as rocks. Third, he is a very emotional player and that lover room was chaos. Bourne now has the opportunity to shine again. The situation is actually ideal for him. He has shown he can thrive under Josh and has two years on his contract. Is he a #3-4 option right now? Sure, but you need 3 WR on the field in most sets. Bourne can play slot and Z and did great for Josh in Z. Oh ya, and Bourne was a 800 yard WR with Mac Jones. Drake is a little better.

Quite frankly, Bourne is trending down. His 800 yard season was the highlight of his career and now he is 30 to begin the 2025 season.

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NE WR must get fixed and not with retreads either. The Pats need 1 FA WR and 1 drafted WR who can play and make a difference.

We cannot fix the whole team in one season. If we sign a vet WR, Bourne is still a necessary piece. If we draft a WR, Bourne is still a necessary piece. Vet, rookie, Polk, Pop, Bourne, Boutte. We need the vet or rookie to be an X.

Give Maye some weapons.

 

[imahobgoblin]

A guy who you want on the field in crunch time.

A difference maker which Bourne, Polk, Baker aint.

Bourne is a spare part.

No DC is in his right mind is worried about stopping a Jag like Bourne. Thats why SF let him leave. They drafted Aiyuk and Elevated 7th round Juan Jennings who has been paying dividends. Then SF paid Aiyuk unlike Bourne which was the right decision.

Quite frankly, Bourne is trending down. His 800 yard season was the highlight of his career and now he is 30 to begin the 2025 season.

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NE WR must get fixed and not with retreads either. The Pats need 1 FA WR and 1 drafted WR who can play and make a difference.

Give Maye some weapons.

Obviously Bourne is trending the wrong way. Obviously give May weapons. I am not defending Bourne. You are like my 14 year old son who is bragging about winning the Super Bowl in Madden with Brady, Barry Sanders, and Megatron on the Pats offense. This rebuilding process takes time. We just blew one year of it. You have to begin with what you have and what you can get. With the o-line and d-line in shambles, those come first. If you can get a WR, do it. I hope they get Higgins, but the reality is that its not easy to rebuild.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Obviously Bourne is trending the wrong way. Obviously give May weapons. I am not defending Bourne. You are like my 14 year old son who is bragging about winning the Super Bowl in Madden with Brady, Barry Sanders, and Megatron on the Pats offense. This rebuilding process takes time. We just blew one year of it. You have to begin with what you have and what you can get. With the o-line and d-line in shambles, those come first. If you can get a WR, do it. I hope they get Higgins, but the reality is that its not easy to rebuild.

I wouldn't say we blew Year One of the rebuild....we landed a franchise QB.

I also believe they spent wisely extending good players who had a track record of strong performance and not on expensive quick fixes.

They have great draft picks and plenty of cap space.

They just missed on the coach.

 

[Wozzy]

It wouldn't take 2-3 years to fix this team, the Krafts just hired the wrong GM and coaches.

The level of talent on the roster last offseason was comparable to Washington, the Chargers... the Pats just hired poorly at the top.

 

[Triumph]

Obviously Bourne is trending the wrong way. Obviously give May weapons. I am not defending Bourne. You are like my 14 year old son who is bragging about winning the Super Bowl in Madden with Brady, Barry Sanders, and Megatron on the Pats offense. This rebuilding process takes time. We just blew one year of it. You have to begin with what you have and what you can get. With the o-line and d-line in shambles, those come first. If you can get a WR, do it. I hope they get Higgins, but the reality is that its not easy to rebuild.

Other teams are turning it around in short time. They spent money and had the same draft slot as NE and dug themselves out of the ditch.

Washington was 4 - 14 in 2023 and 12 - 5 in 2024. Houston was 3 - 13 in 2022 and just had consecutive 10 win seasons.

Nobody expects a Super Bowl or even the playoffs. Its time to end all the excuses and lame axx reasons why the Pats cant win. Clean house by ridding the team of 5hitbums like Bourne. 31st NFL offense needs new people.