Opinions Consolidated: How bad does the Bodden loss hurt us?

[Pats726]

The battle has been joined:



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Let the games begin!

I do NOT think the Patriot team is close to being as cut apart as the black night....NOT YET at least....MAYBE that has been the case at the end of SOME seasons..but not now...

 

[Deus Irae]

I do NOT think the Patriot team is close to being as cut apart as the black night....NOT YET at least....MAYBE that has been the case at the end of SOME seasons..but not now...

Mankins, Warren, Bodden..... just a flesh wound.

 

[Sicilian]

mankins, warren, bodden..... Just a flesh wound.

they're invincible!!!!!!!!

 

[PatsFanSince74]

They're gonna burn, plain and simple.

They're gonna burn.

But you know what they say...about Fire and Steel.

2010 will be a Wild Ride.

And at the end of the day, I believe it will have this in common with 2000: Prelude to a Dynasty.

So, should we put you down for 5--11 as your projection for this season?

 

[SanAngeloState]

by the end of the season it'll be no big whoop. He won't be the reason we don't win teh SB, if in fact we don't. I think our odds went from about 50% to 49% maybe.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I'm amazed at how every thread regarding a player that's been injured or is missing results in predictions of going .500 and missing the playoffs.

Mankins holds out - Pats won't be better than 8-8 or 9-7

Kazcur needing back surgery - Pats won't be better than 8-8 or 9-7

Warren IR'd - Pats won't be better than 8-8 or 9-7

Bodden IR'd - Pats won't be better than 8-8 or 9-7


How quickly fans forget that TFB missed the ENTIRE 2008 season and even with their MVP gone for the year, the Pats finished 11-5.

I suppose we should be grateful that the players themselves don't have the quitter mentality that a lot of posters on this board seem to embrace.

There hasn't been a single regulation snap played yet, but somehow you'd get the impression from peoples reactions that we're already into week 14 and the Pat's are 3-10 or something.

Welcome to the new age super fan mentality... Every crisis is insurmountable. Used to be no crisis was insurmountable as long as Rodney was breathing... Since he retired there is hardly any crisis we could hope to overcome. How quickly they forget that nobody gave a rats ass for a jag LB like Mike Vrabel or or a host of defensive JAGS or even a midget CB/KR like EHIII or a post graduate HOF LB whose addition just underscored how desperate we'd become since barely winning the division in 2005 on the heels of back to back SB's. Not to mention given all we could manage in the interim was to crawl back to the AFCC like a wounded animal and then complete an undefeated regular season and claw our way to within 2 minutes of a 4th superbowl and then go 11-5 replacing a potential GOAT QB with a potential Walmart stock clerk, and then win the division again in a season when Brady was returning from ACL surgery and Moss and Welker were battling shoulder injuries and Welker went down for the count in week 17...

Clearly this 2010 team has 8-8 at best written all over it...as did all the seasons before it until they didn't...

The total lack of perspective here over the last couple of seasons is mindnumbing. Every team has issues. Miami is still debating 3 of 5 starting OL slots and struggling to run the ball. Henne can't locate his new weapon consistently and the weapon still doesn't catch the ball consistently when he does. They just had to trade a quality slot WR for a CB. The JETS are missing their legendary all everything CB, he's being replaced by a name recognition diva with a questionable hip and tackling adversity SD wanted no part of going forward, and they will likely start their 1st round rookie who was projected for the slot because their other option has sucked per the coaching staff, they are replacing the pro bowl LG they cut with a 6th rounder because the 2nd rounder didn't work out, they are replacing their best RB with their second best RB and their second best RB with an aging diva who was cut by SD and a draft reach RB who has bust written all over him before he ever takes a regulation snap, their top DL just underwent foot surgery, and through pre season their franchise QB is struggling to throw anything but picks to his left consistently let alone score points through the air again in his second season. Yet coming off their gifted 9-7 season and equally gifted limited playoff success...the sky is clearly the limit in the Big Apple...

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Good:

• Barring the signing of some journeyman veteran CB, we will really get to see how these young turks we have been drafting the past 3-4 years are going to handle the workload.
• The future was probably gonna be Darius Butler and McCourty anyway, so now we just to get to see it sooner.
• I love to watch young kids coming into their own during the course of a season, especially in a Belichick defense.

Bad:

• Bodden is our only real veteran CB.
• He played well for us last year, although I kind of thought he parlayed a decent season into a contract that paid him more than he is worth.
• To his credit, he played well enough on the right team at the right time, a team that had very few veteran options at CB.
• He will be missed for that reason (vet presence), if nothing else. With the young guns on deck, we may pay some heavy tolls early in the season until they become acclimated.

So, how long has it been since your town replaced the local water supply with Kool Aid?

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

I have only one question/issue regarding Bodden and nobody seems to be discussing it.

When the New England Patriots win the superbowl in Dallas this year does Bodden get an ring for being part of the team or do IR players that didn't play a single game get excluded?

 

[Off The Grid]

So, should we put you down for 5--11 as your projection for this season?

Is English your first language?

 

[IllegalContact]

I don't believe bodden matters without a pass rush

 

[Pats726]

Mankins, Warren, Bodden..... just a flesh wound.

OK..maybe MORE than a flesh wound...BUT...I love it how the talkers and pundits are now looking PAST the Pats...THAT is always GOOD!! Gruden now thinks the Pats are overrated and THAT is good!! Being the underdog MAY help! SO maybe those wounds are a BIT deeper...the element of surprise IF this young D can gel....Seeing Ocho Cinco point to what he will do if he scores in game 1...ALL the build up. Jets the BEST...I love it!!! Maybe this will be a silver lining in it all....

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

It's hillarious how much everyone was complaining about the McCourty pick now looking back on it

 

[AzPatsFan]

And I do not understand this at all. We haven't seen any sign in preseason of the run defense being a problem.

Last season the Run Defense sagged when Richard Seymour was traded. it went from allowing 95 -100 yards per game, to allowing 110 yards per game. Not a great weakness, but it turned many a third and long into a third and short, run or pass third down, especially for the elite half dozen or so teams on the schedule.

That was just enough for those select, elite teams to keep long mixed drives alive, and defeat the Bend don't Break philosophy of the Belichick Defense. The Pats Defense couldn't get off the field against those clubs, until they marched into the end zone. But it was only them, since the Pats were the second best team in keeping opponents out of their Red zone. So Bend don't Break worked against the other ten teams we beat.

Belichick thought it more important to repair, than anything else on Defense. He spent the entire off season planning to re-enforce against it. He signed two vet FAs, drafted 2 Defensive linemen, and got back a couple/three rookies from the previous season, with high hopes. And drafted a big SILB, noted for his run defense.

By comparison, he drafted only one OLB candidate, in that supposedly weak area.

Did he fix the mild problem? We shall see but how could he not with so much effort expended? Losing a dinged-up Ty Warren was only a big loss if he coul play like he does when healthy, which he was not last year. And he couldn't this year either. It's better to get him fixed up for next year. So far its a mixed bag; G Warren looks OK, Brace is developing, Spinks will be a star SILB, and Deadrick looks like he could eventally help too. My guess is yes.

Meanwhile Lewis and Pryor and GWarren too, look to buttress the interior pass rush. And Spinks brings a dealyed blitz capability to the ILBS, long missing. So does Chung's blitzing, and his run defense reminds me of Rodney, in his prime.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Welcome to the new age super fan mentality... Every crisis is insurmountable. Used to be no crisis was insurmountable as long as Rodney was breathing... Since he retired there is hardly any crisis we could hope to overcome. How quickly they forget that nobody gave a rats ass for a jag LB like Mike Vrabel or or a host of defensive JAGS or even a midget CB/KR like EHIII or a post graduate HOF LB whose addition just underscored how desperate we'd become since barely winning the division in 2005 on the heels of back to back SB's. Not to mention given all we could manage in the interim was to crawl back to the AFCC like a wounded animal and then complete an undefeated regular season and claw our way to within 2 minutes of a 4th superbowl and then go 11-5 replacing a potential GOAT QB with a potential Walmart stock clerk, and then win the division again in a season when Brady was returning from ACL surgery and Moss and Welker were battling shoulder injuries and Welker went down for the count in week 17...

Clearly this 2010 team has 8-8 at best written all over it...as did all the seasons before it until they didn't...

The total lack of perspective here over the last couple of seasons is mindnumbing. Every team has issues. Miami is still debating 3 of 5 starting OL slots and struggling to run the ball. Henne can't locate his new weapon consistently and the weapon still doesn't catch the ball consistently when he does. They just had to trade a quality slot WR for a CB. The JETS are missing their legendary all everything CB, he's being replaced by a name recognition diva with a questionable hip and tackling adversity SD wanted no part of going forward, and they will likely start their 1st round rookie who was projected for the slot because their other option has sucked per the coaching staff, they are replacing the pro bowl LG they cut with a 6th rounder because the 2nd rounder didn't work out, they are replacing their best RB with their second best RB and their second best RB with an aging diva who was cut by SD and a draft reach RB who has bust written all over him before he ever takes a regulation snap, their top DL just underwent foot surgery, and through pre season their franchise QB is struggling to throw anything but picks to his left consistently let alone score points through the air again in his second season. Yet coming off their gifted 9-7 season and equally gifted limited playoff success...the sky is clearly the limit in the Big Apple...

Amen Brother. And Well said!!

 

[QB12]

Thegodinagreyhoodie is quickly becoming favorite poster here. My brother in arms! Preach it.

 

[bagwell368]

I expect the Pats D against the run to be top 5 in the league. I expect our running game to be bottom 7 in the league. I expect our throwing offense to be top 5, and our D against the pass to be in the 5 worst.

A lot of 42-37 games, and a stack of defensive draft picks next year to go with the elite WR we are going to draft.

And no SB ring at the end of the year.

We are going to run a lot of 4-1-6, 5-1-5, 6-5 defenses with Chung in the box looking to blitz a lot, and zone type defenses with guys like Guyton dropping in coverage.

BB may have to trade some nice draft chips for a DE/OLB/CB. He'll be bringing in lots of camp cuts (as usual), maybe they can deal Child-kins for someone.

 

[emoney_33]

There is no way to spin this to be a good thing. Bodden was a solid #2 CB last year. Placing him on IR will hurt this defense.

Solid #2? He was a top notch above average #1 CB last year who played VERY well in our system. This loss is big, but not insurmountable. The offense will need to carry more weight early on to offset the loss and allow the young CBs to grow together and hopefully they are playing well enough as a team by the end of the year.

 

[SuperPatsFan]

I can't say the season is lost.

I can't say there is no hope.

We have B and B.

But I am not optimistic.

 

[Garbanza]

You might want to, oh, I don't know. Wait for the season to start before declaring we have no pass rush -- no?

No. I think you can safely assume that there will be no pass rush this season. What have they done to address this CLEAR issue in the off season? Um....nothing. Now we have no Warren for the year. Yes, it has gotten worse - who thought that would be possible!

So, no pass rush, no proven secondary, a saftey tandem that have a better chance of seeing God than covering a TE with any consistent success. Oh, and a suspect run game - meaning if the Pats score, it will probably be quick giving the defense less rest. Friggin' terrific.

I blame BB and company. Serioulsy - the biggest concern last season was lack of pass rush and they did NOTHING to fix it.

 

[SuperPatsFan]

No. I think you can safely assume that there will be no pass rush this season. What have they done to address this CLEAR issue in the off season? Um....nothing. Now we have no Warren for the year. Yes, it has gotten worse - who thought that would be possible!

So, no pass rush, no proven secondary, a saftey tandem that have a better chance of seeing God than covering a TE with any consistent success. Oh, and a suspect run game - meaning if the Pats score, it will probably be quick giving the defense less rest. Friggin' terrific.

I blame BB and company. Serioulsy - the biggest concern last season was lack of pass rush and they did NOTHING to fix it.

Real talk, bro.

But you know what, my friend? They'll scheme up a pass rush, and they'll scheme up blanket coverage from the secondary. You know why? Because we won 3 Super Bowls 6 years ago.

Maybe this will be the year that Kraft finally realizes it's not 2004 anymore, and he'll do the unthinkable, and give this team the shakeup it so badly needs. And by "the unthinkable", I think you know exactly what I mean.

Because I want the Patriots to win the Super Bowl, and right now I don't see that happening for a long long time.