Only a 2nd rounder..,

[cstjohn17]

It is trendy to rag on Jimmy G. But if you look at players as assets, the Patriots had two franchise quarterbacks and their net haul was a 2nd round pick... questionable GM work.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

It is trendy to rag on Jimmy G. But if you look at players as assets, the Patriots had two franchise quarterbacks and their net haul was a 2nd round pick... questionable GM work.

I’d say their net haul between both QBs was 0 losing seasons, 17 division titles, 9 AFC championships and 6 Super Bowl wins, plus a 2nd rounder for jimmy. And we do get a 2021 comp pick for Brady as well right?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

No one has convinced me that they got a decent return. Mid season? That’s why there are conditional agreements. A QB who would months later sign the largest annual deal in NFL history netted a second round pick. And don’t even start about getting Brian Hoyer...lol. A career clipboard holder shouldn’t be the difference maker here, and yes, I’m aware the Niners paid his salary.

It’s over and done with, but the Patriots could have gotten a boatload if draft capital had they driven a better bargain and gotten a conditional first in return for a talented franchise QB.

Also, Brissett for Dorsett was another terrible deal. A guy who’s good enough to start at QB, with a lot of upside, for a total bust likely to be cut anyway? That is just flat out terrible.

 

[sb1]

No one has convinced me that they got a decent return. Mid season? That’s why there are conditional agreements. A QB who would months later sign the largest annual deal in NFL history netted a second round pick. And don’t even start about getting Brian Hoyer...lol. A career clipboard holder shouldn’t be the difference maker here, and yes, I’m aware the Niners paid his salary.

It’s over and done with, but the Patriots could have gotten a boatload if draft capital had they driven a better bargain and gotten a conditional first in return for a talented franchise QB.

Also, Brissett for Dorsett was another terrible deal. A guy who’s good enough to start at QB, with a lot of upside, for a total bust likely to be cut anyway? That is just flat out terrible.

IMO...Any GM who would give a first round pick for a guy who his old team was forced to trade, with 6 quarters of meaningful football and who was injured should have been relieved of his duties right away as GM. The Pats got a conditional first for Bledsoe but Jimmy isn’t Bledsoe and never will be.

Also Brissett isn’t an NFL Caliber starting QB. He’s not that good. Dorsett had his moments as a Patriot. No issue with that trade.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

If you follow the entire web of trades, this is basically what the patriots got for Jimmy G:

Jarrett Stidham
Damien Harris
Joejuan Williams
Christian Sam
4th rounder in 2020 from Chicago
6th rounder in 2020 from Denver

I thought Trent Brown factored into this, but the more i research i guess that wasn't the case

 

[JarOfMayo51]

and i think Yodny Cajuste as well

 

[nabwong]

We won a superbowl. That alone should be good enough.

 

[maust]

Interesting that everyone seems to forget SF traded for a relatively unproven possibly fragile QB whose contract was expiring in 8 games. 8 games before committing to franchise money and guarantees

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Six quarters of pro football (plus all the preseason games and observed practice play) is much more telling than a college QB with zero experience at the pro level.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Yes it was a terrible trade. Just like Chandler Jones should’ve commanded a 1st rounder. He’s been balling out since being handcuffed in NE.

Now that I think about it, WTF is up with the Cardinals getting young star players on the cheap?

 

[maust]

Six quarters of pro football (plus all the preseason games and observed practice play) is much more telling than a college QB with zero experience at the pro level.

Yes it was a terrible trade. Just like Chandler Jones should’ve commanded a 1st rounder. He’s been balling out since being handcuffed in NE.

It is a never ending source of amazement that otherwise intelligent fans never consider how cap ramifications influence trade values. A "college QB with zero experience" isn't making Handsome Jimmy bank. You use a 1st rounder to draft a guy like Chandler Jones so you aren't paying him franchise money. Cap space is an asset too gents. SF and AZ committed serious guaranteed money and the attendant cap space that goes with it to Garoppolo & Jones. Cap space New England did not have.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Don’t ya love posters whom are smarter than Belichick?

 

[IcyPatriot]

Still wondering what exactly has Jimmy G done?
He was an above avg QB on a stacked team ....
He also sh!t his pants in the Super Bowl ... put a diaper on him.

 

[maust]

Still wondering what exactly has Jimmy G done?

You mean besides What's Her Name that wide poad porn star and cashing Niners checks?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Cap space is an asset too gents.

For the price of a late second-round pick and $1M/year, they got 3.5 years of arguably the best backup in the league and saved $2M/year+ in salary cap room (by not having to overpay for a veteran QB who could only start if Brady became unavailable), and got a mid-second-round draft pick back in the end.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Sometimes there are wins and sometimes there are losses!

No GM is perfect. Six Super Bowl wins and nine super bowl appearances in 18 years says that bb has had a few more wins than losses.

 

[Joker]

anybody could have seen that JimmyG's horrible decision to date a Z list porn star that'd blind the eyes of your kitty cat in the morning would have a direct bearing on his decision making in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl.

OK I'm listening to Steely Dan's Pretzel Logic...but, I'm sticking to my guns

 

[Sciz]

DeAndre Hopkins (roughly a 2nd), Darius Slay (3rd+5th), and Trent Williams (no trade interest at all) are three current examples of how contract situation affects trade value just as much as the quality of the player. Not a whole lot different than Jimmy, except that he was actually close to being a free agent and not just a holdout candidate.

 

[carmelo15]

I’d say their net haul between both QBs was 0 losing seasons, 17 division titles, 9 AFC championships and 6 Super Bowl wins, plus a 2nd rounder for jimmy. And we do get a 2021 comp pick for Brady as well right?

so we’re giving Jimmy G Brady’s credit

 

[Jercules]

For the price of a late second-round pick and $1M/year, they got 3.5 years of arguably the best backup in the league and saved $2M/year+ in salary cap room (by not having to overpay for a veteran QB who could only start if Brady became unavailable), and got a mid-second-round draft pick back in the end.

I think NE got even more: drafting JG lit a fire under Brady. It was JG's rookie season when the Pat's ended their SB drought, thanks to a masterful performance from Brady.