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[SlowGettingUp]

Amazing pass but the receiver being 6'4" tall helps a lot too. Very difficult pass to Diggs or Chism.

As the saying goes, you can't teach height. Hollins doesn't get many targets, but the ones he does get, he makes count.

I've often wondered why teams don't find some 7ft basketball player whose only job is to wander into the end zone in red zone situations and out-jump the 5ft 10 inch corners. Could even do the same thing on the boundary.

Edit: An AI produced the following:

R.C. Owens is the quintessential example that matches your description. A standout college basketball player at the College of Idaho—where he set the all-time rebounding record and averaged 19 points and 21 rebounds per game in one season—he was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers in the 14th round of the 1957 NFL Draft. Standing at 6-foot-3 with exceptional leaping ability honed from hoops, Owens became famous for his "alley-oop" catches as a wide receiver. These were high-arcing passes from quarterbacks like Y.A. Tittle, designed specifically for him to outjump defenders—often shorter cornerbacks—in the end zone for touchdowns.In his rookie season, Owens debuted the play on October 6, 1957, against the Los Angeles Rams, snagging two TD passes, including a game-winner by soaring over a corner in the back corner of the end zone. He caught four such alley-oop touchdowns that year alone, earning the nickname "Alley-Oop." While he had a full NFL career (206 receptions, 22 TDs over eight seasons with the 49ers, Colts, and Giants), his signature role was indeed that red-zone jumper, revolutionizing the "jump ball" tactic in football. He even turned down an NBA contract from the Minneapolis Lakers to stick with the pros.Other ex-basketball players like tight ends Antonio Gates and Jimmy Graham brought similar vertical skills to contested end-zone catches, but they weren't as specialized in that role—Gates and Graham were all-purpose stars with over 700 NFL receptions each. No one else quite fits the "only job" niche like Owens did in his era.

 

[condon84]

So the Colts have the guy who hasn't been depantsed repeatedly in the Superbowl.

Seriously who did Mahomes actually beat in the big game who wasn't Jimmy Garoppolo?

Are you really going to argue that Jones is a better QB than Mahomes?

 

[Real fan 02]

So the Colts have the guy who hasn't been depantsed repeatedly in the Superbowl.

Seriously who did Mahomes actually beat in the big game who wasn't Jimmy Garoppolo?

Colts last few QBs rivers, Wentz, Brissett, Richardson... I don't know what the future holds for Richardson. They seem to have found the place holder in Jones for now.

 

[Real fan 02]

Maybe you missed the point. Maye has to throw the ball over the front defender and in front of the back defender. So the ball has to have an arc over the front defender and drops before the back defender. If the receiver is taller, less arc is required. Putting the arc on the ball is tough to do (Maye did it beautifully), so having less arc increases the odds of a successful pass. So for that type of pass, an arc over one defender that falls before a second defender, a taller receiver increases the chances of success by reducing the amount of arc required. Because Hollins is 6'4" he is an ideal receiver for that type of defense.

It really has little to do with the receivers hands, mostly to do with the receiver's height. Diggs can run a sideline route, but mostly in a man defense when he is outjumping a single defender.

In camp in 2022, if you remember, Patricia tried to teach Mac Jones to throw that ball to Davante Parker who was 6'3". Mac could not make that throw.

Lost in the lights parker...

 

[Simpelton]

Colts last few QBs rivers, Wentz, Brissett, Richardson... I don't know what the future holds for Richardson. They seem to have found the place holder in Jones for now.

I know what the future holds for Richardson. He's had his chance. If he remains in football it will be as a practice squad guy.

I can't see teams being excited about having AR on the roster even as a backup. Sure, the raw talent is there, the big play potential is always present, but if a team is bringing in the QB2 the single most important factor is consistency, and that's exactly where Richardson is at his weakest. Some team might sign him to the PS and try to refine him a bit, but for AR, that's the best case scenario.

I very much doubt the colts let Jones walk after the year he's having. The fans would likely revolt if they tried. However much credit you give to specifically Jones for this, but his arrival coincided with this new birth of hope, and fans would have a serious sense of humor failulre about being dumped right back into the QB carousel after a year like this, and they'd be right.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I know what the future holds for Richardson. He's had his chance. If he remains in football it will be as a practice squad guy.

I can't see teams being excited about having AR on the roster even as a backup. Sure, the raw talent is there, the big play potential is always present, but if a team is bringing in the QB2 the single most important factor is consistency, and that's exactly where Richardson is at his weakest. Some team might sign him to the PS and try to refine him a bit, but for AR, that's the best case scenario.

I very much doubt the colts let Jones walk after the year he's having. The fans would likely revolt if they tried. However much credit you give to specifically Jones for this, but his arrival coincided with this new birth of hope, and fans would have a serious sense of humor failulre about being dumped right back into the QB carousel after a year like this, and they'd be right.

Yeah, Jones is the new Mayefield and Darnold. The Colts won't let him walk.

 

[Real fan 02]

I know what the future holds for Richardson. He's had his chance. If he remains in football it will be as a practice squad guy.

I can't see teams being excited about having AR on the roster even as a backup. Sure, the raw talent is there, the big play potential is always present, but if a team is bringing in the QB2 the single most important factor is consistency, and that's exactly where Richardson is at his weakest. Some team might sign him to the PS and try to refine him a bit, but for AR, that's the best case scenario.

I very much doubt the colts let Jones walk after the year he's having. The fans would likely revolt if they tried. However much credit you give to specifically Jones for this, but his arrival coincided with this new birth of hope, and fans would have a serious sense of humor failulre about being dumped right back into the QB carousel after a year like this, and they'd be right.

Jones best year was what 24-12? Then he got paid after the year he rode Barkley to the post season 15TD season... he's in advantageous position as a serviceable veteran. As I mentioned players can always improve as thier careers go on. Some QBs are elevators and some QBs are game managers. Richardson was a draft bust and indy now realizes it.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah, Jones is the new Mayefield and Darnold. The Colts won't let him walk.

What happens if Taylor goes down?..

 

[The Gr8est]

It's actually the height of the football impeccable touch and placement. Maye found the tight hole no pun in that zone. Not many QB's make that throw: and to your point Diggs or Boutte catches that: they have Elite hands. Chism or Pop no way.

If Chism doesn’t catch that I doubt it is because of his hands.

His hands have looked great in the clips I’ve seen.

 

[Bill Lee]

Layered over one defender and short of the other. This is a special throw:

Looks like Mack Hollins is useful after all....

 

[PatsFan2]

Maybe you missed the point. Maye has to throw the ball over the front defender and in front of the back defender. So the ball has to have an arc over the front defender and drops before the back defender. If the receiver is taller, less arc is required. Putting the arc on the ball is tough to do (Maye did it beautifully), so having less arc increases the odds of a successful pass. So for that type of pass, an arc over one defender that falls before a second defender, a taller receiver increases the chances of success by reducing the amount of arc required. Because Hollins is 6'4" he is an ideal receiver for that type of defense.

It really has little to do with the receivers hands, mostly to do with the receiver's height. Diggs can run a sideline route, but mostly in a man defense when he is outjumping a single defender.

In camp in 2022, if you remember, Patricia tried to teach Mac Jones to throw that ball to Davante Parker who was 6'3". Mac could not make that throw.

Oh l know how Checkdown Charlie aka Mac Jones bread is buttered.

 

[Vindicate]

As the saying goes, you can't teach height. Hollins doesn't get many targets, but the ones he does get, he makes count.

I've often wondered why teams don't find some 7ft basketball player whose only job is to wander into the end zone in red zone situations and out-jump the 5ft 10 inch corners. Could even do the same thing on the boundary.

With how quickly big players like that in the NBA breakdown, I'd imagine they'd be in shambles after one season in the NFL. Maybe prime Shaq?

 

[mike_usagisan]

What happens if Taylor goes down?..

The same thing that happened to Ryan Tannenhill in TN when Henry left. Jones can't carry a team, but he is good enough to not sink a team.

 

[Real fan 02]

The same thing that happened to Ryan Tannenhill in TN when Henry left. Jones can't carry a team, but he is good enough to not sink a team.

Great points. Jones can't carry a team. as we've all seen in league. When a defense takes away something as a QB you have to do something different.. when teams took away moss Brady fed Welker and the backs... he elevated guys.

 

[Real fan 02]

Looks like Mack Hollins is useful after all....

MH is great at what he does in his role.

 

[Vindicate]

Looks like Mack Hollins is useful after all....

I know people wanted to poke fun at people saying "his value is in everything he does along with being a redzone target" but it really is what you get with him. He's always gonna be a good culture piece. He's gonna throw some devilish blocks. And he's gonna be an option in the RedZone.

I think Hollins is a value add for teams that are young and finding their culture, and is big enough that he will be respected and at the very least open up the offense a few more degrees. I don't mind him taking up cap space.

 

[Simpelton]

The same thing that happened to Ryan Tannenhill in TN when Henry left. Jones can't carry a team, but he is good enough to not sink a team.

Without Taylor, Dan Jones would still have the best o-line in the league, 4 quality receivers with a good balance of skillsets, and Tyler Warren.

taylor is an important part of their offense, but his significance is slightly oversold. Would the Colts be as explosive as they are right now with another RB in the backfield? No. but that's a lot of high quality weapons regardless, and if Steichen couldn't figure out how to make offense happen with these weapons he's not half the coach I suspect he is.

I'm not really trying to put a man off his hopium, but that is what this is, and I think we both know it.

 

[PatsFan2]

Without Taylor, Dan Jones would still have the best o-line in the league, 4 quality receivers with a good balance of skillsets, and Tyler Warren.

taylor is an important part of their offense, but his significance is slightly oversold. Would the Colts be as explosive as they are right now with another RB in the backfield? No. but that's a lot of high quality weapons regardless, and if Steichen couldn't figure out how to make offense happen with these weapons he's not half the coach I suspect he is.

I'm not really trying to put a man off his hopium, but that is what this is, and I think we both know it.

FTR: Jonathan Taylor is leading the league in rushing. Dan Jones will be a pumpkin without him. Yess they have some excellent skill position players: one I really like is WR Alec Pierce True X-WR.

 

[TommyD4207]

FTR: Jonathan Taylor is leading the league in rushing. Dan Jones will be a pumpkin without him. Yess they have some excellent skill position players: one I really like is WR Alec Pierce True X-WR.

The hard-carry job Jonathan Taylor is doing right now is pretty impressive.

In a fair world, he'd be the MVP front-runner, but we know that's not how voters look at it.

Daniel Jones is absolutely a passenger on this train. And there's nothing wrong with that. As opposed to Anthony Richardson who essentially was tying himself up and throwing himself in front of the train every start.

 

[PatsFan2]

Without Taylor, Dan Jones would still have the best o-line in the league, 4 quality receivers with a good balance of skillsets, and Tyler Warren.

taylor is an important part of their offense, but his significance is slightly oversold. Would the Colts be as explosive as they are right now with another RB in the backfield? No. but that's a lot of high quality weapons regardless, and if Steichen couldn't figure out how to make offense happen with these weapons he's not half the coach I suspect he is.

I'm not really trying to put a man off his hopium, but that is what this is, and I think we both know it.

I don't know if you remember but; J Taylor gashed us for a little under 200yds Mac Jones Rookie year.