Official Post Game Thread - Chiefs at Patriots

[NG Pats Fan]

I have no doubt smith posts unimpressive stats the rest of the season

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Oh dear god, please don't try to justify smith as a top tier QB. He is a below average QB at best. He's been in the league since 2005 we know his ceiling. The fact he had a career day speaks volumes on how poor our front 7 is.

It was just not the front seven. Some miscommunication in the secondary as well. I hope bill shows them the tape the whole week.

 

[Keyser Söze]

They gave it to the same TE, RB and WR all game and we still couldn't stop it.

And good god how many 9 yard shovel passes did they pull off? Big play after big play all night long.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Maybe this is what Brady was referring to when he talked about the attitude of the team last night.

Agree. And, BTW, I didn't hear Brady excusing himself from that "attitude" criticism.

Look. They're human. Coaches and Players, alike. Human beings.

They've spent the last seven months listening to other players, other coaches, other teams' fans, media, celebrities and even Haters saying that what they did in Houston was the most remarkable outcome in the history of the NFL and one of the most remarkable in the history of all sports, especially after Brady's suspension...which it indeed was. Brady is now routinely referred to by the likes of LaDainian ****ing Tomlinson as the GOAT...which indeed he is.

They'd have to be clones of Mother Theresa and Mahatma Gandhi for that not to affect what Brady described as their "attitude."

There is no shame in that if you look yourself in the mirror the next morning, call it what it is, take your medicine, adjust your attitude and move on. No shame at all. It's happened to all of us on much, much smaller stages.

Belichick always says that he doesn't know what he has in a team until late October or early November. This year is no different.

It's one game. Time to take a deep breath and see how it all evolves.

 

[luuked]

Oh dear god, please don't try to justify smith as a top tier QB. He is a below average QB at best. He's been in the league since 2005 we know his ceiling. The fact he had a career day speaks volumes on how poor our front 7 is.

So someone else takes the time and effort to start game tape, take screenshots and just points one situation where Smith successfully fooled our D including annotations and all you can give back is hot take, meme-level garbage about how bad a quarterback he is ?

How about for once instead of creating one inane, meritless thread after the other you sit down and try to actually apply a bit of the scientific method to your posts and try to back something up with evidence when you post it ? Instead we get a threads like e.g. about M. Brown that is full of factual errors, assumptions and no substance.

Seriously, try to put some effort into what you are writing.

 

[primetime]

The game turned on a few key plays. The Patriots failed to convert two 4th and inches inside the Chiefs half of the field. The Chiefs hit two huge touchdowns. Basically four plays that swung the game. As Patriots fans, we're used to those plays going our way. Last night, the Chiefs got all the bounces. Give them credit, they played very well.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

So someone else takes the time and effort to start game tape, take screenshots and just points one situation where Smith successfully fooled our D including annotations and you all you can give back is hot take, meme-level garbage about how bad a quarterback is ?

How about for once instead of creating one inane, meritless thread after the other you sit down and try to actually apply a bit of the scientific method to your posts and try to back something up with evidence when you post it ? Instead we get a threads like e.g. about M. Brown that is full of factual errors, assumptions and no substance.

Seriously, try to put some effort into what you are writing.

The problem is after a loss, too many posters look for excuses or justifications....it's either "injuries" or they try to justify why we made Alex Smith look like joe Montana.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

So someone else takes the time and effort to start game tape, take screenshots and just points one situation where Smith successfully fooled our D including annotations and you all you can give back is hot take, meme-level garbage about how bad a quarterback is ?

How about for once instead of creating one inane, meritless thread after the other you sit down and try to actually apply a bit of the scientific method to your posts and try to back something up with evidence when you post it ? Instead we get a threads like e.g. about M. Brown that is full of factual errors, assumptions and no substance.

Seriously, try to put some effort into what you are writing.

I work 16 hour shifts nearly every day, don't have the time to do screen shots or diagrams. Feel free to find another poster to obsess over.

 

[luuked]

Also just to make my point again:



The game was closer than what the score says and turned on 6 plays that we all lost. Make us win 2 out of those 6 and most probably we win the game.

In retrospect this just shows how incredibly unlikely the SB comeback was where there were even more plays going mostly our way.

 

[Tony2046]

Oh dear god, please don't try to justify smith as a top tier QB. He is a below average QB at best. He's been in the league since 2005 we know his ceiling. The fact he had a career day speaks volumes on how poor our front 7 is.

Can you stop putting words in my mouth. Jesus.

I'm going through the game and posting what I see hoping for football discussions.

If Alex Smith did something well I'm going to post what I thought he did well and how it affected the Pats D or what the Pats D could do to prevent it.

Btw: Alex Smith is not a below average QB. Imo he's in the average to good range.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Also just to make my point again:



The game was closer than what the score says and turned on 6 plays that we all lost. Make us win 2 out of those 6 and most probably we win the game.

In retrospect this just shows how incredibly unlikely the SB comeback was where there were even more plays going mostly our way.

So what's your explanation for why we allowed a historically below average QB like Alex Smith throw for 148 passer rating 368 yards and 4 TDs...best game of his career in 12 years in the NFL.


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[NG Pats Fan]

Can you stop putting words in my mouth. Jesus.

I'm going through the game and posting what I see hoping for football discussions.

If Alex Smith did something well I'm going to post what I thought he did well and how it affected the Pats D or what the Pats D could do to prevent it.

Btw: Alex Smith is not a below average QB. Imo he's in the average to good range.

Alex Smith a possible good NFL QB? Since when? This guy has been one of the laughing stocks of the NFL for the past decade, chiefs have been trying to replace him for a few years now. Even traded up in first round for a QB

 

[BradyFTW!]

Oh dear god, please don't try to justify smith as a top tier QB. He is a below average QB at best. He's been in the league since 2005 we know his ceiling. The fact he had a career day speaks volumes on how poor our front 7 is.

Smith is an average QB in that he's extremely limited but the things he does well he does very well. He's nowhere near elite because he can't beat a good defense that doesn't beat itself, but he's good enough to exploit the hell out of weaknesses in a disjointed, inexperienced, and generally bad D, which is what we were last night. It would be incorrect to say we got taken down by an exceptional QB, but it would equally incorrect to say what happened is somehow worse because it happened at Alex Smith's hands. Smith is a serviceable QB who excels at attacking the weak spots in a defense that, say, just lost its MLB and now has a guy who was traded for 5 days ago in the middle of the D.

The Chiefs also have more legitimately game-breaking talents than most offenses. Hill is an absolute freak the likes of which we won't see again until the next time we play the Chiefs. Kelce is the biggest athletic mismatch not named Gronk at TE, and Hunt is a really good dual threat RB. I know some will claim that's revisionist history and too early to say and whatnot, but I really believe it. Drafted him in the 2nd round of all my fantasy leagues for a reason.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Branch and Weiss on post game saying they've never heard Brady mention the teams attitude before. Hopefully it's correctable in the next 9 days.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Smith is an average QB in that he's extremely limited but the things he does well he does very well. He's nowhere near elite because he can't beat a good defense that doesn't beat itself, but he's good enough to exploit the weaknesses in a disjointed, inexperienced, and generally bad D, which is what we were last night.

The Chiefs also have more legitimately game-breaking talents than most offenses. Hill is an absolute freak the likes of which we won't see again until the next time we play the Chiefs. Kelce is the biggest athletic mismatch not named Gronk at TE, and Hunt is a really good dual threat RB. I know some will claim that's revisionist history and too early to say and whatnot, but I really believe it. Drafted him in the 2nd round of all my fantasy leagues for a reason.

Ok you admit the patriots were a bad D. I haven't heard some of the posters use the word "bad" to describe our D yet.


How many NFL QBs would you rank over Alex smith? I would say at least 20-22


On a different note, I believe Chiefs front office drafts good players as well as anyone in the NFL.

 

[BradyFTW!]

It was just not the front seven. Some miscommunication in the secondary as well. I hope bill shows them the tape the whole week.

The secondary was far from perfect, but I didn't think they were bad by any means. Gilmore blew a coverage, and that's a tough pill to swallow given the money he's making, but growing pains happen and he's new. Butler was alarmingly bad early but improved as the game went along. McCourty played a fantastic game, though, and Harmon was solid too.

 

[luuked]

So what's your explanation for why we allowed a historically below average QB like Alex Smith throw for 148 passer rating 368 yards and 4 TDs...best game of his career in 12 years in the NFL.


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Why are you so obsessed with his stats in the game ? We didnt lose because Smith played well but because we could not get the job done in the situations that counted. He didnt do anything special but got two gift wrapped easy deep completions TDs (Hunt + Hill) plus another gifted TD that followed after Chung let the ball go through his hands.

Smiths stats are ultimately meaningless.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

We will know next week if this was just a mirage or there's some underlying problems on this team.

 

[Tony2046]

Alex Smith a possible good NFL QB? Since when? This guy has been one of the laughing stocks of the NFL for the past decade, chiefs have been trying to replace him for a few years now. Even traded up in first round for a QB

I really don't care about any of that. You can go to a Chiefs thread and discuss that if you want.

I'm discussing what Smith did on one play that created a TD against the Pats defense.

I gave Smith credit for manipulating the Pats defense on one play that led to a TD and you're freaking spewing "Oh dear God......Joe Montana ......." hahaha WTF is wrong with you? Jesus.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Ok you admit the patriots were a bad D. I haven't heard some of the posters use the word "bad" to describe our D yet.


How many NFL QBs would you rank over Alex smith? I would say at least 20-22


On a different note, I believe Chiefs front office drafts good players as well as anyone in the NFL.

I'd probably rank Smith a bit higher than that, but not too much. He'd be in my 15-18 or so range, I think. Too many ****ty QBs starting in the NFL for me to rank someone who does a few things as well as he does outside my top 20. But there are a fair number of QBs who I rank above him that I don't think would have exploited the weaknesses in the Pats' D post-Hightower injury nearly as well as Smith did. Cam Newton is a much better player than Alex Smith, but put him in there and they don't drop 42 on us. Ditto with Mariota, Stafford, Prescott, Eli, and maybe even Luck. Smith's not a great QB, but he's definitely not the guy you want to be going against when your mike doesn't know the defense. Just a tough matchup for how the game played out.

And yeah, anyone who refuses to acknowledge that the defense was bad last night is really grasping at straws. If you give up 42 points in a game without the offense ever turning over the ball, you played like ****. Full stop, no exceptions; there are no mitigating circumstances that can mitigate that poor of a result. Also agreed re: KC's drafting. They're one of the best drafting teams in the league. Still bummed Marcus Peters didn't fall to us, he had stud written all over him coming out and I hated that it was the Chiefs who snagged him.