Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Bengals beat the Pats

[Jim Beankie]

Really he had a loaded team and went 52-48, thats mediocre, thats JAG level

Only 41 of those starts were with DWatson. The rest were Fitzmagic, Hoyer, Savage, and Osweiler.

 

[upstater1]

1st and goal at the 5....WHAT is the season long tendency, at about 98%, for the Patriots on first down? It's a RUN. They knew it. We knew it. The Bengals had SIX men there, not one shooting a gap,or two bringing down Rham...SIX!!! ripping and tearing and picking him up off the ground.
It's the Patricia Paradigm..."ALWAYS RUN THE BALL ON FIRST DOWN". No fake into the line...no fade to Jacoby in the corner...not even a damn screen....no..."RUN IT UP THE MIDDLE...DUR DUR DERP!"... jeezus, the Pats could have actually WON this game with a division 2 college coach calling the offense

But just last game against the Raiders we freakin' threw it 3x so we really can't win.

That being said, I agree w/ you in the sense that the Bengals really do have better DTs

 

[ahmed]

Back in 2003


Day one....was 2003 in your book? THAT WAS HIS FOURTH ****ing season.

So a year or two from now Mac's arm will magically be significantly stronger?

Obviously this was just an example. I used it because I saw it somewhere recently. I am sure you could find many examples from 2001-2002. I attached a video, in another response, from his college tape with several examples.

There is this narrative, completely ungrounded in reality, that Mac's arm was weak like Brady's and with some work he would fix it when Brady's arm was never weak. There is only so much you can improve a throwing arm - otherwise NFL would not value arm strength as much as it does.

So much delusional comparisons between Brady and Mac from some blind homerism that essentially makes light of what Brady actually was and accomplished like anyone else can just replicate it. It is annoying as hell.

It is one thing to get that from jealous fans of teams he trounced on a regular basis but I am getting tired of reading it here.

The similarities between Brady and Mac are they are Patriot drafted QBs and white. That is the list.

Rant over.

 

[Ian]

Mac is constantly under throwing the deep ball tho

That other one that Thornton dropped earlier was a great throw…he actually throws a pretty good deep ball.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Look, this team is not very good. However, they competed in the 2nd half, I'll take it.

Receivers drop balls. Thorton got open deep on two passes. Keep throwing him the ball, he will catch it...

Amen. We've seen some incredible players drop some significantly easier balls than what TT had to catch today (low temps, 15mph winds - see Mike Evans earlier this year).

 

[Ian]

Good point. But it was under thrown by about 10 yards - not barely. Thornton had 5 yards on separation and had to wait on the ball.

The ball to Bourne on the sideline was a second too late. The touchdown pass to the new TE was 1 to 2 seconds too late. If you rewatch the game please notice that Mac's balls are commonly late. Mac rarely, if ever, leads the receiver. Take a look.

He leads receivers pretty well. That was one of his strengths coming out and one of the things he does well, especially in short to mid range throws.

He does a good job on longer ones, but it’s like anything else, they don’t do it that often so it’s hard to improve since aside from a few reps in practice, they barely run them. I mean let’s be honest, today is the most deep balls we’ve seen all year.

However, I’ll agree, he was late on several throws today, including one that got Smith crushed. There were a couple others I recall where he hit his drop, was about to throw, and then held it an extra beat because the timing was off.

It was a better day but obviously not perfect. Sort of like other outings where he had moments but not quite enough.

It’s just been a weird year. Last year we saw enough plays where you felt good coming out of games. This year, it’s just the same thing each week…just not enough to feel great about much. I mean, aside from the handoff to Bourne and the plays to Marcus Jones, they don’t do anything to surprise anyone. I mean, they needed to pull out all the stops today and they didn’t do much beyond the norm when they needed to.

 

[SteveBsFan]

MANY people have said that JONES is as much of an issue as the Offensive Coaches.

How many times has Jones not recognized blitzes at the LOS? How many times has Jones completely missed open receivers because he stopped his progressions? How many times has Jones LOCKED onto a receiver, telegraphing where he's going with the ball?
Go ahead and explain how those issues are on the coaches?

Yea I don’t know why people can’t think it’s possible that both things are true …

A) Mac is really just an average QB who beat up bad teams last season with a really good coaching staff

B) Matt is in way over his head and completely unqualified for the job

Both can be true. If we had prime Brady, it wouldn’t matter if chatGPT was calling plays, we’d have 12+ wins with two talented TE, a great defense, and a bunch of above average WR.

AND if we still had Josh with this roster, there is a high likelihood he could have squeezed more out of it and we wouldn’t have lost those close heartbreakers.

 

[FCB02062]

Look, this team is not very good. However, they competed in the 2nd half, I'll take it.

Receivers drop balls. Thorton got open deep on two passes. Keep throwing him the ball, he will catch it...

other than blind faith, on what do you base "he will catch it" on? has thornton shown he can catch deep balls in the NFL? he has a career long of 21 yards. he catches 50% of his targets....

 

[Ian]

Good point. But it was under thrown by about 10 yards - not barely. Thornton had 5 yards on separation and had to wait on the ball.

The ball to Bourne on the sideline was a second too late. The touchdown pass to the new TE was 1 to 2 seconds too late. If you rewatch the game please notice that Mac's balls are commonly late. Mac rarely, if ever, leads the receiver. Take a look.

And on the TE throw, I agree, that was late but he was also chased out of the pocket and I’m still surprised he got away, set his feet, and made a throw that was high enough to allow Washington to get his hands on it and for it to come down at a point where Meyers could catch it. That was a 48 yard throw that obviously he released even further back. Definitely a great job all around on that one…just too bad they couldn’t finish it out.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He leads receivers pretty well. That was one of his strengths coming out and one of the things he does well, especially in short to mid range throws.

He does a good job on longer ones, but it’s like anything else, they don’t do it that often so it’s hard to improve since aside from a few reps in practice, they barely run them. I mean let’s be honest, today is the most deep balls we’ve seen all year.

However, I’ll agree, he was late on several throws today, including one that got Smith crushed. There were a couple others I recall where he hit his drop, was about to throw, and then held it an extra beat because the timing was off.

It was a better day but obviously not perfect. Sort of like other outings where he had moments but not quite enough.

It’s just been a weird year. Last year we saw enough plays where you felt good coming out of games. This year, it’s just the same thing each week…just not enough to feel great about much. I mean, aside from the handoff to Bourne and the plays to Marcus Jones, they don’t do anything to surprise anyone. I mean, they needed to pull out all the stops today and they didn’t do much beyond the norm when they needed to.

I was encouraged today. Mac scrambled much better, set his feet better, and stopped the immature whining. The game is still too fast for Mac so his throws are off a beat. Hopefully that improves in 2023. Mac seems to be processing everything which is good, but he is too slow processing it.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Damn Vegas. How do they know?

NE 21.5 - CIN 22

Missed PAT otherwise the Pat's bettors cash in.

They're remarkably close

But just last game against the Raiders we freakin' threw it 3x so we really can't win.

That being said, I agree w/ you in the sense that the Bengals really do have better DTs

You're right, last week everyone was saying to run the ball 4 downs in a row even though Mac threw for a TD and got one himself that got called back.

 

[Ian]

MANY people have said that JONES is as much of an issue as the Offensive Coaches.

How many times has Jones not recognized blitzes at the LOS? How many times has Jones completely missed open receivers because he stopped his progressions? How many times has Jones LOCKED onto a receiver, telegraphing where he's going with the ball?
Go ahead and explain how those issues are on the coaches?

That’s definitely not the case. There have been games where opposing players talked about the fact Mac knew what they were doing. And if you watch the All 22, especially on the angle where the QB is facing the camera. You can see Mac’s eyes move.

And he’s said before that often times the progressions are based on the play design and the timing. Anything outside of that are “false realities”, which was the other buzz word. But the locking in part isn’t true. Although obviously there were a few throws he missed again today that were disappointing. And I doubt Jonnu Smith is thrilled with him after he got him killed.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

So a year or two from now Mac's arm will magically be significantly stronger?

Obviously this was just an example. I used it because I saw it somewhere recently. I am sure you could find many examples from 2001-2002. I attached a video, in another response, from his college tape with several examples.

There is this narrative, completely ungrounded in reality, that Mac's arm was weak like Brady's and with some work he would fix it when Brady's arm was never weak. There is only so much you can improve a throwing arm - otherwise NFL would not value arm strength as much as it does.

So much delusional comparisons between Brady and Mac from some blind homerism that essentially makes light of what Brady actually was and accomplished like anyone else can just replicate it. It is annoying as hell.

It is one thing to get that from jealous fans of teams he trounced on a regular basis but I am getting tired of reading it here.

The similarities between Brady and Mac are they are Patriot drafted QBs and white. That is the list.

Rant over.

His arm can get stronger, but it's not magic it's working out, let's hope they have him work on that.

 

[Ian]

I was encouraged today. Mac scrambled much better, set his feet better, and stopped the immature whining. The game is still too fast for Mac so his throws are off a beat. Hopefully that improves in 2023. Mac seems to be processing everything which is good, but he is too slow processing it.

I don’t think that’s the case. Obviously he handled it just fine last year. I think it’s been more about being confident about his protection and a little with the play design. I think on some of them there’s some doubt about when the ball is supposed to be out. I saw a fair amount of talk today about that on Twitter, and the All 22 won’t be out for a bit for a bit before we can see them.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don’t think that’s the case. Obviously he handled it just fine last year. I think it’s been more about being confident about his protection and a little with the play design. I think on some of them there’s some doubt about when the ball is supposed to be out. I saw a fair amount of talk today about that on Twitter, and the All 22 won’t be out for a bit for a bit before we can see them.

Mac is not crisp like Burrows. The game has slowed down for Burrows, it is noticeable. Mac is still processing, not reacting, IMO.

 

[Patsfan177a]

Having said all that, Thornton has to catch that ball

Should have been an easy catch. Any throw that far downfield that gets past the defender is a good one.

 

[Ian]

AND if we still had Josh with this roster, there is a high likelihood he could have squeezed more out of it and we wouldn’t have lost those close heartbreakers.

I agree. Jones is what he is, and he’s just a second-year player who could have used someone he trusted who could have helped him work through a lot of his issues. And pushed him to get better instead of constantly playing scared. I mentioned it before, but I doubt Patricia calls that deep ball to Bourne for the TD against Dallas coming off of the pick six Mac threw the play before. That’s a good example of the difference between those two guys as coordinators.

 

[Pats2000]

That other one that Thornton dropped earlier was a great throw…he actually throws a pretty good deep ball.

I disagree, Thornton had to slow way up, the ball took a turn to the left, Mac doesn't have the arm strength to cut through the wind. I've seen a lot of his throws taken of course by the elements, which is a velocity problem. Still the ball was catchable. But it was not a great throw

 

[Patsfan177a]

Mac is not crisp like Burrows. The game has slowed down for Burrows, it is noticeable. Mac is still processing, not reacting, IMO.

On Jones' pick6 They blitzed him and almost got to him. Possibly a mistake by the receiver but I don't think so. Looked worse than Mac's pick in the Bears game.

 

[Pats2000]

I agree. Jones is what he is, and he’s just a second-year player who could have used someone he trusted who could have helped him work through a lot of his issues. And pushed him to get better instead of constantly playing scared. I mentioned it before, but I doubt Patricia calls that deep ball to Bourne for the TD against Dallas coming off of the pick six Mac threw the play before. That’s a good example of the difference between those two guys as coordinators.

They didn't play scared early on and Mac started lobbing balls to the other team. Mac reigned himself in