PostGame Thread OFFICIAL 2024 Patriots @ 49ers Postgame thread

[Force Zero Boomer]

Nah, pink hats disappear when the team sucks. We're all here arguing with one another about the future of the franchise we love, watching the games in horror, ruminating on what's gone wrong, and disagreeing about what should be done. No pink hats in sight.

 

[Wozzy]

I don't know why this issue still resonates. Bill Belichick showed himself to be the game's greatest coach ever over many years. Then, for whatever reason, he became an angry, vindictive fool who put narcissistic self-regard and old-boy horseshit ahead of "what is best for the team" and became an obvious burden. He was for many years a quirky but effective GM, but by the end he was the worst GM in the league, driving the team to such a dismal state that we have yet to recover. When reality changes, perception must change as well. What Bill was and what he became are two very different things. The only alternative to acknowledgment of this is such refuge in delusion as we see in posts here from time to time.

Sure, BB got old and couldn’t relate to his younger players. I mean offensively, defensively he still had one of the best units in the league.

So it was relegated to offense only… or the side of the ball Jonathan and Wolf decided to take over three years ago.

 

[Wozzy]

Nah, pink hats disappear when the team sucks. We're all here arguing with one another about the future of the franchise we love, watching the games in horror, ruminating on what's gone wrong, and disagreeing about what should be done. No pink hats in sight.

I was watching the 2001 AFC Championship game from Hooters sipping on a beer. SB1 was watching in his jammys and sipping on a juice box. That’s why he has no frame of reference.

 

[Thelonious]

Sure, BB got old and couldn’t relate to his younger players. I mean offensively, defensively he still had one of the best units in the league.

So it was relegated to offense only… or the side of the ball Jonathan and Wolf decided to take over three years ago.

I think the issues went well beyond his "inability to relate to younger players," though that was the case. In my own curmudgeonly view, the younger players - too many of whom are whiny narcissists - are more to blame than Bill for that problem. I just don't understand though what you are refrring to when you talk of how Bill even toward the end had some of the "best units in the league." That's not my recollection at all.

 

[50-yard-line]

I don't know why this issue still resonates. Bill Belichick showed himself to be the game's greatest coach ever over many years. Then, for whatever reason, he became an angry, vindictive fool who put narcissistic self-regard and old-boy horseshit ahead of "what is best for the team" and became an obvious burden. He was for many years a quirky but effective GM, but by the end he was the worst GM in the league, driving the team to such a dismal state that we have yet to recover. When reality changes, perception must change as well. What Bill was and what he became are two very different things. The only alternative to acknowledgment of this is such refuge in delusion as we see in posts here from time to time.

I remain completely baffled by the change in BB.

I can't disagree with a word of this. I don't understand how it happened, but it happened.

 

[Ring 6]

You tell me.




Point is the roster that the current regime inherited is a total mess sans Maye who we know nothing about yet. No point complaining that this wasn't a single season turnaround. That was never happening. Even Bill at his very best couldn't do that.

It is fascinating to read the most cynical takes about the 2024 Pats year coming from the biggest BB supporters. Almost like they're hoping the team fails out of spite. Very strange.

Belichick did single season turnarounds in 2001,2003, 2007,2010,2014
He didn’t have $100,000,000
Upgrading the roster at the level he did those seasons would have us contending and not scared of playing the qb

Your last paragraph is prescient because people who understand football of course are BB supporters, and it’s easy for them to see this approach is wrong.

Those that trash bb are just emotional and won’t move off their butt hurt feelings no matter what, such as you thinking the roster is better while we send waiver claims, Jaylin Hawkins, and friends U guy out there

 

[sb1]

But you are jumping to conclusions. Your conclusion is it's all Bill's fault. You are stuck on that default for some reason and it's not getting any less annoying. And continues to make you look (not so smart to put it lightly).

So is the gaslighting from posters who say the roster inherited by the team wasn't built by Bill (it was) it was someone else's fault. Just lol.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I remain completely baffled by the change in BB.

I can't disagree with a word of this. I don't understand how it happened, but it happened.

Tom Brady covered some of his faults. He believed his own press (genius, GOAT, 20 years of sustained greatness, etc). He somehow managed to underestimate Brady’s contributions, despite lip service to the contrary (evidence for this is Brady’s departure). It seems unimaginable, I know.

 

[sb1]

Belichick did single season turnarounds in 2001,2003, 2007,2010,2014

In 2000 the Patriots went 5-11 but 9 of their 11 losses were by 1 score or less. They had a solid young core already in place. Also
2001 shouldn't have even happened by Bill's own admission that he was baffled they won it all with that team.
Patriots were 9-7 in 02, finish tied for 1st in the division by record and still had a good foundation to take forward.
Patriots were 12-4 in 2006, went 2-1 in the playoffs, knocked off a heavily favored 14-2 Chargers team in SD
They were 10-6 in 2009 and AFC East champs
They were 12-4 in 2013 and the #2 seed.

In none of those scenarios they were coming off a 4-13 season and talentless like 2023. Also helps to have the GOAT QB. It makes things a lot easier. Those turnarounds don't even remotely compare to what the team faces now. The turnaround you expect to happen just doesn't happen overnight.

He didn’t have $100,000,000
Upgrading the roster at the level he did those seasons would have us contending and not scared of playing the qb

Such as? 2023 had holes everywhere and of course no GOAT QB.

Your last paragraph is prescient because people who understand football of course are BB supporters, and it’s easy for them to see this approach is wrong.
Those that trash bb are just emotional and won’t move off their butt hurt feelings no matter what, such as you thinking the roster is better while we send waiver claims, Jaylin Hawkins, and friends U guy out there

Nobody is trashing BB. Criticizing his coaching over the last 2 years and his roster building for longer than that- yes and rightfully so. There are also also those who think BB should have been given a permanent HC job as some kind of lifetime achievement award. That thinking never goes well anywhere else so why would it go well here.

 

[sb1]

Nah, pink hats disappear when the team sucks. We're all here arguing with one another about the future of the franchise we love, watching the games in horror, ruminating on what's gone wrong, and disagreeing about what should be done. No pink hats in sight.

They also haven't got a clue what losing is like and what a rebuilding team goes through - and react accordingly.

 

[sb1]

defensively he still had one of the best units in the league.

I could tell.

Bills 47-17 Patriots (Jan 15, 2022) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Buffalo Bills vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 47-17, from January 15, 2022 on ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[signbabybrady]

So is the gaslighting from posters who say the roster inherited by the team wasn't built by Bill (it was) it was someone else's fault. Just lol.

This years roster was built by Wolfe and Mayo. The could have cut anyone they didn't want. They had excellent draft position. And 100 million dollars to spend in free agency.

Anything they kept from Bill was done so by choice.

It's well past time for you to get over whatever you're carrying around.

 

[Ring 6]

In 2000 the Patriots went 5-11 but 9 of their 11 losses were by 1 score or less. They had a solid young core already in place. Also
2001 shouldn't have even happened by Bill's own admission that he was baffled they won it all with that team.
Patriots were 9-7 in 02, finish tied for 1st in the division by record and still had a good foundation to take forward.
Patriots were 12-4 in 2006, went 2-1 in the playoffs, knocked off a heavily favored 14-2 Chargers team in SD
They were 10-6 in 2009 and AFC East champs
They were 12-4 in 2013 and the #2 seed.

In none of those scenarios they were coming off a 4-13 season and talentless like 2023. Also helps to have the GOAT QB. It makes things a lot easier. Those turnarounds don't even remotely compare to what the team faces now. The turnaround you expect to happen just doesn't happen overnight.


Such as? 2023 had holes everywhere and of course no GOAT QB.

Nobody is trashing BB. Criticizing his coaching over the last 2 years and his roster building for longer than that- yes and rightfully so. There are also also those who think BB should have been given a permanent HC job as some kind of lifetime achievement award. That thinking never goes well anywhere else so why would it go well here.

Turnarounds don’t have to be from 4-13 to 9-8. 9-7 to 14-2, 10-6 to 14-2, 5-11 to winning the SB are harder to do than 4-13 to decent.


The difference? We had a front office that recognized the deficiencies and went it and fixed them. And they never had anywhere near the resources they had this year.


8 losses last year were by 1 score.

The only thing you post is bb trashing.

 

[dliverey44]

The majority of this forum are dumb Madden players. The same people will call Purdy a system QB and also not see why you take the 10 year pro bowler instead of the likely bust QB.

I will have you know that I do not play Madden and am just dumb.....wait a minute

 

[Real fan 02]

Shouldn't they all be Mayo's guys? I never liked the idea of collaboration and it appears you may be finding some cracks already. I really hope this isn't the case. And hopefully we can pull off some wins vs some easier opponents and slow this down before implosion.

I wish I had the optimism I once had.. this offense is abysmal and imo there are no more winnable games.. they will struggle offensively in every game left on the schedule.

 

[sb1]

Does anyone else notice Purdy has a putrid arm?

Yes he does. Saw it last year

 

[sb1]

Turnarounds don’t have to be from 4-13 to 9-8. 9-7 to 14-2, 10-6 to 14-2, 5-11 to winning the SB are harder to do than 4-13 to decent.

You were using examples of a team that was already very good and also had the GOAT QB "turning around" to a champion. That's not really a turnaround that's called taking the next step.

Talentless teams who just fired their coach and GM, no QB, no WR, a running game which is starting to look very overrated, a weak OL and a depleted defense don't become champions or even decent overnight. I give the new regime a year to get their stuff together and show us the plan.

The difference? We had a front office that recognized the deficiencies and went it and fixed them. And they never had anywhere near the resources they had this year.

Again you're talking about an already very good team with the GOAT QB needing a piece or two to become a champion. That's not the team we are watching today.

8 losses last year were by 1 score.

And yet there was never a sense the team was close to success at any time. Gee I wonder why.

The only thing you post is bb trashing.

BB left us a pile for a roster so what else is there to be said? and some posters are still sore that Brady proved there never was a "system" here by winning a SB his first year away from Bill and Bill and his teams fell flat on their faces without Tom so now that their hoodied hero is gone because of that lack of success they're going all scorched earth. Lol. #butthurt

 

[dliverey44]

I have not been following the thread very well can someone tell if this is close to accurate.

sb1: BB is **** and this roster is ****, BBs fault
Wozzy: is not BBs fault wolf didn't sign Oli Udoh, Yosh or Peat and relied on Chuks
sb1:BB sucks
Wozzy: does not Wolf sucks

this goes on for about 4 pages. Accurate??

There is plenty of blame for all parties involved. BB did not have a post TFB plan, he let Thuney walk maybe because we brought Karras back and then let him go. Then traded Mason presumably because we had a 6th round Mike Onwenu and drafted Strange. BBs handling of the OL was not good either.

Wolf choose to resign a lot of BBs picks and had a ton of money to make upgrades, (not a strong FA class and good LT's rarely hit the market) but he did not, so this is his roster now. Chuks was not a good signing, but the 3 that Wozzy wanted may not have been better. Wolf woefully neglected the OL because if you are trying to rely on a cheap 1 year contract as a starting OT then bring in more people to compete. He thought Lowe might be alright, but you don't know so you bring in more people to compete. May have spent more money needlessly by bringing in more people but you had to make a concerted effort to fix the OL and he did not to this point. Granted there have been a ton of injuries.

It was time for BB to go, in my mind he sealed his fate when he states that Matty P and Judge were good coaches and could coach any position or some **** like that. BB had gone with inexperienced play callers before but Matt P was not a good DC and Judge was not a good ST coach. Then he hired BoB and would only let him bring in one of his guys to run the offense. BBs ego got in his way. Great coach but had to go.

I like the Mayo and Wolf hires but to this point the have not done a very good job after the 1st month.


TLDR: sb1 and Wozzy are broken records and both Wolf and BB deserve blame for this roster.

 

[signbabybrady]

I wish I had the optimism I once had.. this offense is abysmal and imo there are no more winnable games.. they will struggle offensively in every game left on the schedule.

Bourne's coming back soon. But ultimately the hope really is that they switch QBs.

But also in fairness to Jacoby he faced some tough teams the first few weeks and 3 out 4 on the road. Im not expecting a big change but a few wins vs some easier teams should be manageable.

 

[Real fan 02]

Bourne's coming back soon. But ultimately the hope really is that they switch QBs.

But also in fairness to Jacoby he faced some tough teams the first few weeks and 3 out 4 on the road. Im not expecting a big change but a few wins vs some easier teams should be manageable.

I hear he's practicing and Mayo said he's ready to go. He would be a welcome site for sore eyes.. yes.. not a Brissett fault the line has been the main issue. Yes... the QB switch I believe is what can get us to look competitive and by seasons end be a team on the Come up..