Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[amfootball]

Good point, zero run game. Don't you think that's going to have an adverse effect on the passing game? Brady was running a one dimensional offense. That really only worked when he called the plays out of the no huddle. Give the man some credit for trying to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.

The point is not giving Brady credit. The question is whether he declined especially when compared to last season. Brady has had little run game before and played much better than this season. He has also had terrible/injured Olines and did not look nearly as fragile in the pocket as he did this year. Again, I did not see this version of Brady in 2013/2019. I am not some mediot who was hoping/looking for his decline. I am one of his biggest fans and always will be and I saw decline this year that contributed IMO significantly to the Bucs poor offensive point totals and W/L record.

 

[Deus Irae]

I hope you will all evaluate ALL QBs the same way that you are evaluating Brady. If Manning ran this offense you would all admit he failed. He clearly would of had full control and it's on him. I guess Brady has no control and he just runs the plays as they come in. It's on the OL and everyone else. In 2020 after the bye week the offense was 'Bradys' but when they suck it's 'not'. Not even 20 PPG and they looked like that ALL season.

Dude, I'm evaluating Brady the same way I'm evaluating Jones, the same way I'm evaluating Herbert, the same way I'm evaluating Allen, etc...


You evaluate the QB based upon the pluses and minuses against him, and with all the available context that can inform about his physical and mental game.

 

[Tottie]

The point is not giving Brady credit. The question is whether he declined especially when compared to last season. Brady has had little run game before and played much better than this season. He has also had terrible/injured Olines and did not look nearly as fragile in the pocket as he did this year. Again, I did not see this version of Brady in 2013/2019. I am not some mediot who was hoping/looking for his decline. I am one of his biggest fans and always will be and I saw decline this year that contributed IMO significantly to the Bucs poor offensive point totals and W/L record.

EXACTLY THIS. Anything else is trolling.

 

[Deus Irae]

Don't twist my words like some new age POS media member. Leftwich should be fired and clear out the whole staff but that does NOT make Brady blameless. You are saying Leftwich did it all and Brady had no control at all? Did he have control in NE? How about the last years in TB?

So you didn't bother reading what was posted then. That explains a lot.


Riddick was defending Leftwich, not Brady. In doing so, Riddick was using the very same arguments that some of us here are trying to get through to you with regards to Brady (issues with the run game, the OL, and the receiving corps).

 

[Lagaffe_07]

EXACTLY THIS. Anything else is trolling.

That’s the new tactic. When you are wrong call everyone that don’t agree trolls

The more you post the more ridiculous you sound.

 

[RicoG]

Evans frustrated me so much this season. Brady really needed him to be locked and for most if not all of the season he was checked out. It was really depressing to watch and I could care less what Tampa does with him. I just hope Brady lands somewhere with receivers who don't fold when the going gets tough.

I'm so use to seeing Brady's receivers who are clutch and rise up when the going gets tough. That was guys like Branch, Edelman, Gronk,.. and even secondary guys like Amendola and Hogan.

Evans is not that guy, as elexhibited again by that big drop vs Cowboys cause the throw was about a fingers length too deep, changing it from an easy catch to a moderately difficult catch.

I hate to do it but I almost have to put Welker in the non-clutch category. He was part of the reason for the SB drought.

 

[Deus Irae]

I hate to do it but I almost have to put Welker in the non-clutch category. He was part of the reason for the SB drought.

That's a completely unfair characterization of Welker.

 

[RicoG]

It's not the zip. It's the consistency. He could rifle throws in but his overall velocity declined noticeably to me.

Mind you, I only watched about 6 games. And half those games, I only watched partially cause they were painful to watch.

But there was always a lot of pressure and lots of guys covered. It was hard to tell if he lost zip on the ball cause he kept on having to get the ball out early and hurrying his throws.

 

[Bill Lee]

Those hoping for a Brady-Gronk partnership will presumably be seeing one soon, just not likely to be on the field, according to Gronk:

Sports Illustrated‘s Robin Lundberg sat down with Gronkowski and asked where he was more likely to reunite with Brady: on the field or on television with Fox?

Gronkowski had no doubt that the answer was television, perhaps giving his most definitive response yet on his future plans.

“I would say in the broadcast booth,” Gronkowski told SI. “I’m hoping that he comes and joins me very soon. It’s a lot of fun. Fox has just great people. We have such a great team in the studio. We’ve got Michael Strahan. We’ve got Howie Long. We’ve got Terry Bradshaw. They’re just such great guys to be around.

Ref: Rob Gronkowski Opens Up About Possible Reunion With Tom Brady - Sports Illustrated

It's a real good gig for them. Terry last played in the 70s, right? It's been decades for Long. They could be cashing in for a very long time at Fox.

 

[amfootball]

Mind you, I only watched about 6 games. And half those games, I only watched partially cause they were painful to watch.

But there was always a lot of pressure and lots of guys covered. It was hard to tell if he lost zip on the ball cause he kept on having to get the ball out early and hurrying his throws.

One thing I noticed he did a lot of this year is when he threw slants or crossers he left the ball too far in the middle as opposed to leading the receiver. This often led to the defenders either swatting it away or the receiver catching it and then being immediately tackled instead of getting YAC. I also felt his throws to the sidelines at times were slower than before or hung the ball high. I know he hurt his shoulder early on in the season so that could have been some of it. Also, when he was pressured, he just could get nothing on the ball when he tried to throw it. This seemed to happen way more than I remember in the past. He also missed wide open guys more than I remember in the past.

 

[RicoG]

That's a completely unfair characterization of Welker.

Put it this way. Welker was allpro/all world player in the regular season but was down a notch or two in the playoffs. Still very good,.. but yet,.. that's why I say sort of non-clutch.

Gronk was Gronk regular and playoffs.

Edelman and Branch were very good in regular season, but went up a couple notches in playoffs.

 

[VectorPrime]

Brady still managed a very respectable 67% completion percentage despite breaking the record for pass attempts. No crap his running game and o-line must have sucked just seeing that stat.

 

[amfootball]

Brady still managed a very respectable 67% completion percentage despite breaking the record for pass attempts. No crap his running game and o-line must have sucked just seeing that stat.

That's why he is the GOAT. I mean look at Rodgers this year and he is 6 years younger.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Put it this way. Welker was allpro/all world player in the regular season but was down a notch or two in the playoffs. Still very good,.. but yet,.. that's why I say sort of non-clutch.

Gronk was Gronk regular and playoffs.

Edelman and Branch were very good in regular season, but went up a couple notches in playoffs.

And Dola was absolutely clutch Dec-Feb as well. We've hit on a big issue with Tampa's talented receivers. Godwin who is talented and in year one recovery from ACL still has dropsies. Thousand yarder Evans disappears for games or stretches of games despite his ability to abuse CBs. Dola, Edelman, Branch and Welker were always there as clutch outlets for Brady. And as for TEs...

 

[RicoG]

Evans is the Lavonte David on the O side of the ball. He's beloved in Tampa. I just don't see him going anywhere. He's a couple of seasons away from a guaranteed HOF career.

Plus, a post Jun-1 trade doesn't help them w/ their cap during FAcy.

This was the year Evans was supposed to show he belongs in the HOF and be talked about in the same breath as Devante Adams and Hopkins. Unfortunately, he failed.

2 more years isn't enough. He has no allpro and only 4 probowls. The only way he gets in now is longetivity and consistency. He'll need about 5 more years including at least 3 more 1000 yard seasons.

 

[TB12TheGoat]

I'm so use to seeing Brady's receivers who are clutch and rise up when the going gets tough. That was guys like Branch, Edelman, Gronk,.. and even secondary guys like Amendola and Hogan.

Evans is not that guy, as elexhibited again by that big drop vs Cowboys cause the throw was about a fingers length too deep, changing it from an easy catch to a moderately difficult catch.

I hate to do it but I almost have to put Welker in the non-clutch category. He was part of the reason for the SB drought.

I know the drop in 46 was bad but Welker probably would have won MVP in 42

 

[crawhammer]

Those hoping for a Brady-Gronk partnership will presumably be seeing one soon, just not likely to be on the field, according to Gronk:



Ref: Rob Gronkowski Opens Up About Possible Reunion With Tom Brady - Sports Illustrated

It's a real good gig for them. Terry last played in the 70s, right? It's been decades for Long. They could be cashing in for a very long time at Fox.

Brady's not going to Gronk for advice on anything. Let alone when he should retire from the NFL.

 

[venecol]

The point is not giving Brady credit. The question is whether he declined especially when compared to last season. Brady has had little run game before and played much better than this season. He has also had terrible/injured Olines and did not look nearly as fragile in the pocket as he did this year. Again, I did not see this version of Brady in 2013/2019. I am not some mediot who was hoping/looking for his decline. I am one of his biggest fans and always will be and I saw decline this year that contributed IMO significantly to the Bucs poor offensive point totals and W/L record.

The last sentence is where we differ. There were a lot of reasons for the Bucs poor season, but putting the majority of the blame on Brady is just nonsense.

 

[amfootball]

The last sentence is where we differ. There were a lot of reasons for the Bucs poor season, but putting the majority of the blame on Brady is just nonsense.

That's fair.

 

[venecol]

This was the year Evans was supposed to show he belongs in the HOF and be talked about in the same breath as Devante Adams and Hopkins. Unfortunately, he failed.

2 more years isn't enough. He has no allpro and only 4 probowls. The only way he gets in now is longetivity and consistency. He'll need about 5 more years including at least 3 more 1000 yard seasons.

He has a 2nd team AP but I get your point. The SB helps.