NFL's Integrity* on display again: league hid $100M+ from players to keep salary cap down

[OhExaulted1]

Reading comprehension. Read the post again.

Read it just fine and backed up my rebuke with facts. You should try using facts sometime. It might be helpful instead of distorting the truth like a NYJLO flunkie and getting caught at it.

 

[1960Pats]

I believe it goes to the NFLOA's Retirement Fun.

Looks like a few places specific to helping fmr players.

I think the docked pay stays with the team but not 100% sure

Thanks.

So the player and team lose the money but it goes into a fund for former players. That seems fair enough.

 

[Kontradiction]

Read it just fine and backed up my rebuke with facts. You should try using facts sometime. It might be helpful instead of distorting the truth like a NYJLO flunkie and getting caught at it.

You're mad? Let me roll through this again...

Let us also not forget Kraft's support for Goodell before this happened and how integral he was in the first place to Goodell's reign. Either way you slice it, Kraft ****** up big time then tossed out a half assed apology (which just so happened to take place before opening night and a national television audience at home) because he didn't want to be boo'ed by the home crowd. The sheep bought it hook, line, and sinker and the guy who sold his own franchise quarterback up ****'s Creek without a paddle for the good of the other 31 came out to a raucous ovation. What a master stroke of brilliance.

Then you toss out this trash and effectively try to build a straw man while tossing in an ad hom for good measure...

I gave you a disagree because your making things up to fit your narrative. Kraft said nothing opening night:
Patriots, Robert Kraft Let Banner Do The Talking Prior To Season Opener

He made his apology on July 29th:
Robert Kraft: ‘I Was Wrong To Put My Faith’ In NFL On Tom Brady Appeal

I expect this disingenuous BS from 345 Park Ave. not here. Peddle your lies elsewhere like a Jets, Colts or Ravens forum.

Facts:

1. I never said Kraft made the statement on opening night. I said he made it before opening night. As I said, your reading comprehension there is criminally bad.

2. Kraft supported Goodell before Deflategate.

3. Kraft has been integral to Goodell's reign.

4. Because he supported Goodell vehemently before Deflategate, Kraft ****** up and we now have the worst commissioner in the history of pro sports.

5. Kraft apologized for his actions in the wake of Deflategate.

6. Kraft stated he did what he did for "the good of the other 31".

These are all facts, brotha. I asked you kindly to re-read the post before. How you did that then still came up with this crap is beyond me. But nothing in my OP was made up.

 

[Clonamery]

Thanks.

So the player and team lose the money but it goes into a fund for former players. That seems fair enough.

RW is right I think.

I was being a sarcastic arse. NFLOA: National Football League Owners Association.

 

[1960Pats]

RW is right I think.

I was being a sarcastic arse. NFLOA: National Football League Owners Association.

Dawn breaks over marble head. I ASSumed that NFLOA was a retired players' foundation.

 

[OhExaulted1]

You're mad? Let me roll through this again...



Then you toss out this trash and effectively try to build a straw man while tossing in an ad hom for good measure...



Facts:

1. I never said Kraft made the statement on opening night. I said he made it before opening night. As I said, your reading comprehension there is criminally bad.

2. Kraft supported Goodell before Deflategate.

3. Kraft has been integral to Goodell's reign.

4. Because he supported Goodell vehemently before Deflategate, Kraft ****** up and we now have the worst commissioner in the history of pro sports.

5. Kraft apologized for his actions in the wake of Deflategate.

6. Kraft stated he did what he did for "the good of the other 31".

These are all facts, brotha. I asked you kindly to re-read the post before. How you did that then still came up with this crap is beyond me. But nothing in my OP was made up.

2+ months before opening night is not exactly a correlation dude. Far from it.

That apology by Kraft was the day after Goodell rejected Brady's appeal would be the correct correlation instead of your disingenuous insinuation of him making that apology sound like it was just before opening night.

My reading comprehension is just fine. You're just trying to twist facts to fit your spiteful, petty little anti-Kraft tirade narratives. Bravo. You should apply down at 345 Park Ave. You'd fit right in.

Your posts about Kraft are as sleazy as the crap that flows from Goodells office. If you think your any different than him, re-read how you word your attacks. Slimy.

 

[Tom meets Kaepernick]

The lengths Kraft apologists go to..I'm not even a Kraft detractor and this **** is just pathetic. He ****ed up. Stop trying to sugarcoat the issue.

 

[1960Pats]

The lengths Kraft apologists go to..I'm not even a Kraft detractor and this **** is just pathetic. He ****ed up. Stop trying to sugarcoat the issue.

Nobody associated with the team is beyond reproach, and that includes Belichick. The irony in all of the defamegate bs is that Brady appears to be the one who is the most honorable. I'll miss that kid's class as much as I'll miss his ability when he's gone.

 

[Kontradiction]

2+ months before opening night is not exactly a correlation dude. Far from it.

That apology by Kraft was the day after Goodell rejected Brady's appeal would be the correct correlation instead of your disingenuous insinuation of him making that apology sound like it was just before opening night.

This is another straw man. I said nothing of it being "just" before opening night. Only that it was before opening night. He apologized in part because he suspected he was going to get booed when he walked out on the field. What did it accomplish? Exactly what he wanted. He then backed that apology up by hugging the guy before the Giants game and having a friendly chat with him. Kraft is KILLING it. Taking the fight directly to Goodell's door step. Yeah... that's the ticket.

My reading comprehension is just fine.

It clearly isn't. From the get go, you were under the assumption that I thought he made a speech pre-game in Week 1. Now you're moving the goal posts, creating straw men, and...

You're just trying to twist facts to fit your spiteful, petty little anti-Kraft tirade narratives. Bravo. You should apply down at 345 Park Ave. You'd fit right in.

...tossing out some ad homs for good measure. I twisted no facts whatsoever. Everything that I said in my last post is absolutely truth and absolutely fact. Instead of just admitting that you made a mistake and moving on, you're doubling down for whatever reason and got crushed in the process.

Your posts about Kraft are as sleazy as the crap that flows from Goodells office. If you think your any different than him, re-read how you word your attacks. Slimy.

OE1, as an exercise, try to read posts that have even the slightest of negative takes on Kraft with an open mind as opposed to immediately getting defensive and snippy. You may find that your mind will open up as you'll be able to discern between the good things that Kraft has done and some of the more underhanded/spineless things he's done.

You attack Goodell non-stop and place the blame at his feet for this mess and yet you apologize for Kraft. That makes zero sense to me. Kraft is one of the primary and direct reasons why Goodell is in the position he's in today. Kraft is one of the primary and direct reasons why Goodell makes as much as he does. Kraft is one of the primary and direct reasons why Goodell gets support from ownership over his handling of player punishments (this INCLUDES Brady's). Kraft stood up for Goodell during the Ray Rice debacle. Kraft stood up for Goodell against Jones and Snyder. Kraft is responsible for Goodell. So, no matter which way you slice it, Kraft shoulders the blame for Brady since, if you're going to blame Goodell for this mess, you should also blame the guy that's had his back and is one of the biggest players in his commissionership. Kraft screwed up and has screwed up well before Kravitz's piece went public. If you don't want to see that, that's up to you.

I'll let you have the last word. I'm not going to send this topic down a rabbit hole that I was just making fun of last week. I probably won't read the post, though, so have a blast.

 

[Zeus]

I had a post earlier in this thread where I talked about this situation further eroding whatever little trust there was between the players and the owners. Florio expands on this thought and suggests there may be dire consequences for some of our favorite overpaid empty suits in the league office.

Arbitration loss creates a potential mess for league office

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I had a post earlier in this thread where I talked about this situation further eroding whatever little trust there was between the players and the owners. Florio expands on this thought and suggests there may be dire consequences for some of our favorite overpaid empty suits in the league office.

Arbitration loss creates a potential mess for league office

Getting rid of Pash would be a step in the right direction getting rid of Goody would make me giddy.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I'm not sure what all the arguing is about here

I didn't quite fathom Kraft's decision not to appeal at the time, but since then, based on what's come out post-FrameGate, there was a logic in Kraft's madness at the time - as I have no doubt he was trying to mitigate what was (and I guess is) a real effort to bench Brady for 4 games.

What we know now is that the NFL isn't a body governed by rules - it's an entity where Goodell is trying to curry favor with certain owners and selectively chooses what rules to enforce, or, as we've seen, is even willing to fabricate rule violations if owners want a pound of flesh.

In this case certain owners most DEFINITELY wanted a pound of flesh from the Patriots, some likely believing the Pats were cheating, some mad about past "cheating" in Spygate, etc. as evidenced by the reports

So Kraft gave them a pound of flesh - an easy choice between risking losing Brady for a quarter of the season and what would hopefully be the 32nd pick in the draft. And being a relatively sane buisnessman, Kraft expected the other owners to do the same and let the issue drop on appeal as there really wasn't any evidence of anything

It all would have appeared to be a worthwhile "gamble" to just make that whole silly thing go away.

Instead we got the polar opposite, with Goodell taking FrameGate to a whole new level, playing the "destroyed phone" card and disregarding his own Wells report when he took the quantum leap from "generally aware" to direct involvement in a scheme, etc.

Kraft badly underestimated the animosity and jealousy of certain owners - likely those who perceive Brady as "blocking" their path to additional Super Bowl revenues, not to mention the ego trip for the owners (10 AFC Championship games - and very nearly 7 Super Bowl appearances in 14 years doesn't make owners with bad teams and no rings happy)

Of course, we know all this now - and this embarrassment of a court case continues - but of course this is now just a pissing match between the NFL owners (ironically including Kraft) and the NFLPA

Note that the NFLPA is taking the long view on this as well - even tempering some of what must be major outrage over the owners siphoning off $100 million from the salary cap...

There's wheels within wheels here folks - this next CBA negotiation is going to be VERY tricky businesses and there's a lot of scenarios yet to play out in the aftershocks of Deflategate

But let's drop the notion that Kraft was doing something intended to hurt the team he built - not to mention his personal brand. Personally I think Kraft was willing to let the team take a hit in return for Brady's complete exoneration - which I do expect was his goal.

He - and we all - just underestimated the very very small petty jealous and often stupid minds of the 31 other NFL team owners who pull Roger's strings.

 

[Deus Irae]

He - and we all - just underestimated the very very small petty jealous and often stupid minds of the 31 other NFL team owners who pull Roger's strings.

I'm not sure where the hell you're getting this theory from, particularly given how many on this board were talking this matter through during the long months.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I'm not sure where the hell you're getting this theory from, particularly given how many on this board were talking this matter through during the long months.

It's not so much that any of us were surprised to see Goodell find against Brady

It's more the depths or heights of hypocrisy - when there is ZERO evidence that ANYTHING happened and then all the information that slowly leaked and came out over the months where we now know things like... the NFL states they didn't factor the cold into PSI... how Goodell had to flip flop the memory of the official to even stretch to find any hint of deflation even then...

And of course the fact that despite all the NFL evidence was undermined, the fact that Goodell blatantly did an about face on what Brady had been told about his phone, then using THAT as brand new "evidence" to up Brady from "generally aware" to actively involved in a conspiracy

And keep in mind, those transcripts from the NFL were released late and against Goodell's wishes - and if not for that we'd not have seen how blatantly unfair and corrupt Goodell and the owners are

I mean I pretty much knew they weren't going to find for Brady, but I thought they'd at least attempt to make it look like they were justified.

Goodell is just wantonly open about how corrupt and unfair he is - that's shocking to me seeing as fairness is really the main thing we expect in sports.