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[Patsgofor4]

The effort by the LG is almost as pathetic. Phillips is a load but you have to at least make him work a little bit.

Speaking of Phillips….what could have been (from 2018).

 

[PatsWSB47]

you need good coaching to multiple super bowls in a short period of time and that’s where Belichick comes in. only other guy to do that in the past twenty years was tom coughlin and he was cut from the same cloth.

You need good players and especially a good quarterback too. Funny you left that out of the equation.

 

[upstater1]

One thing about the Bills that is very overlooked is that the offensive and defensive lines are pretty solid, so yeah the QB is in a groove with the 2 WRs, and yes the D-backfield has 2 Pro Bowlers, but the front lines are the difference. They block and protect well and the D-line is solid in pass rush, and looks much improved against the run.

How was this team built?

2021:
1st rd. Greg Rousseau DE
2nd rd. Boogie Basham DE
3rd rd. Spencer Brown RT

2020:
2nd rd. AJ Epenesa DE

2019:
1st rd. (9th pick) Ed Oliver DT
2nd rd. (38th pick) Cody Ford RT

2018:
1st rd. (7th) Josh Allen QB
1st rd. (16th) Tremaine Edmunds ILB
3rd rd. Harrison Phillips DT

2017
1st rd: Tre White
2nd rd: Dion Dawkins

2016:
1st rd. (19th) Shaq Lawson DE

And also 2 of them not currently with the team:

2016:
2nd rd. Reggie Ragland ILB
3rd rd. Adolphus Washington DT

So, draft after draft after draft for six straight years, you focus on blocking up front, pass rush and stopping the run, you stock up those front lines impressively.

This is a lot of picks to expend on those positions, and comparatively they struck gold lower in the draft with CBs and OLBs like Milano, Taron Johnson, Dane Jackson and Benford.

About the only places they've failed over the years are at WR (Gabriel Davis is good but Zay Jones, Watkins [2 first rounders for him], Goodwin, etc. are not) and RB (I'm a bit underwhelmed by TE too).

But they spent 12 prime round picks in 6 years on OL and DL? That's a lot.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You need good players and especially a good quarterback too. Funny you left that out of the equation.

no qb has won multiple super bowls in a short period of time this century.,.without a good coach. fact. no dynasty has ever been built without a good coach. another fact.

 

[PatsWSB47]

no qb has won multiple super bowls in a short period of time this century.,.without a good coach. fact. no dynasty has ever been built without a good coach. another fact.

When did I leave a good coach out of the equation? You're so hell bent on never giving any credit to Brady that you avoid even including any mention of a generic player or generic quarterback in the discussion. You're afraid someone might get the crazy notion that it might matter. God forbid that. Then in your response you avoid it again. How can anyone take you seriously?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

When did I leave a good coach out of the equation? You're so hell bent on never giving any credit to Brady that you avoid even including any mention of a generic player or generic quarterback in the discussion. Your afraid someone might get the crazy notion that it might matter. God forbid that. Then in your response you avoid it again. How can anyone take you seriously?

For the most part you need a good QB and good coach to win multiple super bowls in a short period of time. The only coaches to win with average QBs were Parcells and Gibbs. However, a good QB has never won multiple super bowls with average coaching.

 

[PatsWSB47]

For the most part you need a good QB and good coach to win multiple super bowls in a short period of time. The only coaches to ever do so was Parcells and Gibbs with average QBs. However, a good QB has never won multiple super bowls with average coaching.

Finally! It took 3 posts for you to admit it but its a start.

 

[sb1]

For the most part you need a good QB and good coach to win multiple super bowls in a short period of time. The only coaches to win with average QBs were Parcells and Gibbs. However, a good QB has never won multiple super bowls with average coaching.

Kurt Warner was that close to doing that. Wisenhunt has a .400 coaching record. Martz is average. Vermeil is good but I wouldn’t call him one of the greats.

Aikman also won his third Super Bowl with Switzer who is an average head coach.

If I had to choose between great QB and coach for a championship contending team I’ll go with the QB.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Finally! It took 3 posts for you to admit it but its a start.

Yup, if it weren’t for BB, Brady wouldn’t have won multiple SBs in NE…

 

[PatsWSB47]

Yup, if it weren’t for BB, Brady wouldn’t have won multiple SBs in NE…

And vice-versa

 

[Guts]

Lol let's not start don't derail the thread boys

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Kurt Warner was that close to doing that. Wisenhunt has a .400 coaching record. Martz is average. Vermeil is good but I wouldn’t call him one of the greats.

Aikman also won his third Super Bowl with Switzer who is an average head coach.

If I had to choose between great QB and coach for a championship contending team I’ll go with the QB.

Close doesn’t cut it. Parcells and Gibbs won multiple times with average QBs. The vice versa of a good QB winning multiple super bowls with average HCs doesn’t exist to my knowledge.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

 

[Scotty]

 

[sb1]

cut it. Parcells and Gibbs won multiple times with average QBs.

That is true. Funny how those coaches can win without star QB's but... ok I better stop there. Lol.

The vice versa of a good QB winning multiple super bowls with average HCs doesn’t exist to my knowledge.

I'd say that's because if a coach can win multiple Super Bowls then maybe he's really not so average.

So it would have to be a QB winning with different average coaches. And I think close is worth mentioning. Warner was literally one play away in the Steelers-Cardinals Super Bowl and then we all know about Super Bowl 36. It can be done.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Kurt Warner was that close to doing that. Wisenhunt has a .400 coaching record. Martz is average. Vermeil is good but I wouldn’t call him one of the greats.

Aikman also won his third Super Bowl with Switzer who is an average head coach.

If I had to choose between great QB and coach for a championship contending team I’ll go with the QB.

Kurt Warner and his team was horribly managed in St. Louis. They got rid of him like he was the problem, yet they just kept deteriorating. The guy they replaced him with was okay (Bulger), but he became damaged goods like Warner because their front office was horrendous.

One of the worst GM'ing I've seen in the NFL the last 25 years. They had a ton of core guys to build around and they couldn't do jack sh*t.

Cowboys could've had one or two more titles in them, but their drafts from 1995 to Aikman's last year in 2000 were flat out awful. Teams like GB, SF, Minnesota, Atlanta (for one year), St. Louis caught up to and surpassed them.

 

[Wozzy]

A bad night for the Rams, and a multi-week problem beyond that:

Rams lose starting center Brian Allen for 2-4 weeks with knee injury - ProFootballTalk

The front sevens of the Falcons, Cardinals, 49ers, and Cowboys are going to be licking their chops at the thought of facing that OL. The only "good" news for the Rams is that the better teams are at the back end of the 2-4 week timetable.

Their left tackle, the Whitworth replacement, got dinged up as well.

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They're just not a very good or deep O-Line even when healthy.

With two starters down they just stink.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Kurt Warner was that close to doing that. Wisenhunt has a .400 coaching record. Martz is average. Vermeil is good but I wouldn’t call him one of the greats.

Aikman also won his third Super Bowl with Switzer who is an average head coach.

If I had to choose between great QB and coach for a championship contending team I’ll go with the QB.

There are those who would agree with you:

 

[PatsWSB47]

There are those who would agree with you:

Ha, they never consulted patsfans

 

[Vindicate]

You'd better look again.

He slowed down because the ball was thrown behind him. That ball needed to be a leading pass. It's plain to see. The first angle shows all the open space, and where it is.

Came here to agree with this. Allen recognized him way too late _and_ had bad placement. If you're late, at least place it ahead

Edit: put wrong QB because I've worked nonstop since Tuesday with maybe 12 hours of sleep total in between.