NFL rumored to be considering 14 game season starting in October

[XLIX]

It's clear to me you have voices in your head shouting "They're gonna play! They're gonna play! Really, they're gonna play!" They're drowning out all objectivity.

Article posted by Harvard and updated on May 5th, Note...the report cited in April is the last word as far as they're apparently concerned.

LOL!!

You just can't help yourself, can you? Your very own article was published in March of 2020. The passage you quoted below was a part of the original article and not the update.

Try again, sparky.

 

[moosekill]

It is rather easy. Please post the names of any under the age of 40 year old professional athletes, world wide, who have died from the Corona virus. Throw in college athletes too if you want. NBA players were some of the first who caught it, how many of them perished?

 

[Biffins]

Will they play in front of empty stadiums?

Will they test all the players?

Will they replace the balls frequently?

Will they requires gloves for everyone?

 

[PatriotsReign]

They could have fans in the stands... no problem. And make some extra dough!

Just mandate these.

It would be a good idea to ban alcohol sales so drunken dopes don’t take off their masks.

I actually believe there’s no way fans get to attend games. Too much non-social distancing pre & post game in the parking lots

 

[moosekill]

It will be interesting to see, this has really only been going on here for a month and a half. Really hard to guess what will be happening in September, 4 months from now. Pretty sure there won't be a cure, but also pretty sure, we will know a lot more about infection/death/cure rates and outcomes, which will effect those decisions.

 

[moosekill]

In the end, people will have to decide if the risk is worth reward. And let's be clear, there are lots of other risks associated with attending large events in large groups. In the past we let people decide if those risks were worth the show. If you were high risk, going through chemo let's say, you made your own decision whether or not to go out. Now we are talking about taking those decisions away from people. It is ok to go sky diving or drive a race car at 120mph, or drive a snowmobile 130 down a lake, but you can't go out in a large group of people.

Strange times when people think that is fine.

 

[Teej]

LOL!!

You just can't help yourself, can you? Your very own article was published in March of 2020. The passage you quoted below was a part of the original article and not the update.

Try again, sparky.

I clicked on your Google search and right there on the first page under "Covid alert" I saw this:

Can the coronavirus disease be transmitted in hot or humid climates?

From the evidence so far, the COVID-19 virus can be transmitted in ALL AREAS, including areas with hot and humid weather. Regardless of climate, adopt protective measures if you live in, or travel to an area reporting COVID-19. The best way to protect yourself against COVID-19 is by frequently cleaning your hands. By doing this you eliminate viruses that may be on your hands and avoid infection that could occur by then touching your eyes, mouth, and nose.

BTW, humans have no immunity to the virus so warm weather isn't a magic bullet.

Add this study below to your list of "Countless articles" but feel free to quibble about the dates:

Impact of climate and public health interventions on the COVID-19 pandemic: A prospective cohort study

Results: In univariate analyses, there were few or no associations of epidemic growth with latitude and temperature, but weak negative associations with relative humidity (RRR per 10% 0.91, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.85–0.96) and absolute humidity (RRR per 5 g/m3 0.92, 95% CI 0.85–0.99). Strong associations were found for restrictions of mass gatherings (RRR 0.65, 95% CI 0.53–0.79), school closures (RRR 0.63, 95% CI 0.52–0.78) and measures of social distancing (RRR 0.62, 95% CI 0.45–0.85). In a multivariable model, there was a strong association with the number of implemented public health interventions (p for trend = 0.001), whereas the association with absolute humidity was no longer significant.

Interpretation: Epidemic growth of COVID-19 was not associated with latitude and temperature, but may be associated weakly with relative or absolute humidity. Conversely, public health interventions were strongly associated with reduced epidemic growth.

 

[Teej]

It is rather easy. Please post the names of any under the age of 40 year old professional athletes, world wide, who have died from the Corona virus. Throw in college athletes too if you want. NBA players were some of the first who caught it, how many of them perished?

Is Belichick over 30? Brady? A quick count shows the Pats have 12 players over 30. If you haven't noticed, players have been social distancing so your "name one player" rule could be quite different once they stop the single most effective way to combat the disease at this time.

‘Healthy, Strong’ Baseball Coach, 30, Dies Of COVID-19 After Leaving Hospital | HuffPost

Ben Luderer, a beloved New Jersey high school baseball coach, died in his home from COVID-19 at the age of 30 on Monday. His death occurred after he had been treated at a hospital and was briefly feeling better.

Greg Butler — who was Luderer’s baseball coach at Don Bosco Preparatory High School in Ramsey, New Jersey, when the team ranked number one in the country in 2008 — told NJ.com that Luderer was “a healthy, strong, athletic 30-year-old.”

“Even the invincible aren’t invincible,” a shocked Butler said. “That was a group of guys who could not be beaten. Then something like this happens and shows just how vulnerable we all are.”

21-Year-Old College Baseball Player Dies of Coronavirus: 'It's Every Parent's Worst Nightmare'

When 21-year-old Cody Lyster developed coronavirus symptoms last month, everyone from his family to his team of doctors was confident he’d make a full recovery. He was a young college baseball player and had no other apparent health conditions.

But within days Lyster was hospitalized and placed on a ventilator, unable to say goodbye to his family as he lay unconscious before taking his last breath on April 8. He is now the youngest person in Colorado to die of the virus.

“They felt he was strong, his heart looked good, [because] he was a college athlete playing baseball,” his father Kevin Lyster, 49, tells PEOPLE. “He was living right and doing everything that he was supposed to be doing, and they believed he would make it through.”

 

[Teej]

Report: Multiple NFL players could refuse to play this season due to COVID-19

According to Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman, there are now multiple coaches speculating across the NFL that several players will refuse to practice or even play until they feel safe during the COVID-19 pandemic. Even as the league discusses playing in empty stadiums, players are still concerned about potentially increasing risking the health of themselves and their families in an NFL season.

The data shows that both professional athletes and especially NFL coaches would be at risk, especially those with medical conditions that make them more prone to getting COVID-19 or suffering far more severe symptoms than their peers.

 

[moosekill]

Is Belichick over 30? Brady? A quick count shows the Pats have 12 players over 30. If you haven't noticed, players have been social distancing so your "name one player" rule could be quite different once they stop the single most effective way to combat the disease at this time.

‘Healthy, Strong’ Baseball Coach, 30, Dies Of COVID-19 After Leaving Hospital | HuffPost

Ben Luderer, a beloved New Jersey high school baseball coach, died in his home from COVID-19 at the age of 30 on Monday. His death occurred after he had been treated at a hospital and was briefly feeling better.

Greg Butler — who was Luderer’s baseball coach at Don Bosco Preparatory High School in Ramsey, New Jersey, when the team ranked number one in the country in 2008 — told NJ.com that Luderer was “a healthy, strong, athletic 30-year-old.”

“Even the invincible aren’t invincible,” a shocked Butler said. “That was a group of guys who could not be beaten. Then something like this happens and shows just how vulnerable we all are.”

21-Year-Old College Baseball Player Dies of Coronavirus: 'It's Every Parent's Worst Nightmare'

When 21-year-old Cody Lyster developed coronavirus symptoms last month, everyone from his family to his team of doctors was confident he’d make a full recovery. He was a young college baseball player and had no other apparent health conditions.

But within days Lyster was hospitalized and placed on a ventilator, unable to say goodbye to his family as he lay unconscious before taking his last breath on April 8. He is now the youngest person in Colorado to die of the virus.

“They felt he was strong, his heart looked good, [because] he was a college athlete playing baseball,” his father Kevin Lyster, 49, tells PEOPLE. “He was living right and doing everything that he was supposed to be doing, and they believed he would make it through.”

So we have no professional athletes, and 1 college athlete, world wide.... I wonder how many died of pneumonia, the flu, in car crashes, after drinking too much, from concussions, the list goes on and on, during this same time period?

But this comes back to, if there is no cure, do we ever play professional sports again, do we ever have mass gatherings again, do we keep bars and restaurants closed forever? The flu kills 30,000- 70,000 in the US each year, yet it was fine to do all that stuff with the flu. We are all going to die of something, you can hide in your hole all you want, it won't prevent the inevitable. Average nfl career is what 4 years? How many of those players are going to give up playing football for a year or two so they might not catch this disease.

 

[FCB02062]

Love to see the boo hoo Wuhan flu crew still fighting the good fight. Here's some facts for MA...62% of deaths in nursing homes, long term care...25% of all deaths (as of a couple days ago) were from Boston, Lawrence, Chelsea, Springfield - communities where many people live on top of each other in typically overcrowded, multigenerational multifamily housing. Average age of death is 82 in MA.
For this, people chose to bring the entire state to a halt...as opposed to quarantining those vulnerable (the sick, the elderly, the immunocompromised) and letting people live their lives with "common sense social distancing control"

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The flu kills 30,000- 70,000 in the US each year, yet it was fine to do all that stuff with the flu.

There are a whole bunch of differences, including the fact that the flu doesn't have the ability to overwhelm a healthcare system the way COVID–19 does. [As someone quipped, McDonald's serves billions of burgers a year, but go to your local McDonald's and ask for 1,000 burgers to go and watch what happens.]

 

[ctpatsfan77]

As an aside, Schefter has suggested that if the NFL has to cancel games, the most likely place for that to happen are Weeks 3 and 4, because there are no divisional games those two weeks.

Also, every pair of opponents in Week 2 have their byes in the same week.

FWIW, every team has one home game and one away game in Weeks 3 and 4, so that much is OK, but the lack of balance is striking.

In particular, the big winner in that scenario is KC, who loses two of its four matches against #1 ranked teams. (One of those is against the Patriots, though.)

 

[moosekill]

I think some people just think there is going to be this magical cure and we will all be safe. People it isn't going to happen. Things will get better, but this disease, just like the cold, and HIV, and the flu, and everything else is going to be around a long time. You are never ever going to be completely safe, and there is no way we are going to be able to hide in your houses until it is safe. It has never happened before and it won't ever happen again. Hide in your basements if you want, which I know some of you want to, but life is going to go on without you, and it will suck being in there by yourselves.

Remember flattening the curve, all those models include most of us catching it at some point, just slowing the spread so hospitals aren't overwhelmed. Well, they never were for whatever reason. Flattening the curve never included stay in your house until there is a cure. That is a narrative put forth by people who like not working and enjoy collecting money from those of us who have been forced to keep working through this entire thing.

 

[moosekill]

There are a whole bunch of differences, including the fact that the flu doesn't have the ability to overwhelm a healthcare system the way COVID–19 does. [As someone quipped, McDonald's serves billions of burgers a year, but go to your local McDonald's and ask for 1,000 burgers to go and watch what happens.]

Yes we have been hearing this narrative for months now, it hasn't happened, and it looks like it won't. The disease is much, much less deadly then first thought, it is much more widespread. Hey, maybe you are in a nursing home, and I won't judge, I would be scared if I lived there too, and especially since sooo much time was spent shutting down the economy, rather than protecting those people in homes, who are the ones who are really in danger.

 

[luuked]

Yes we have been hearing this narrative for months now, it hasn't happened, and it looks like it won't. The disease is much, much less deadly then first thought, it is much more widespread. Hey, maybe you are in a nursing home, and I won't judge, I would be scared if I lived there too, and especially since sooo much time was spent shutting down the economy, rather than protecting those people in homes, who are the ones who are really in danger.

That is not a narrative. The fact it didn't become even more of a disaster is because of the action that was taken in most places. You do understand what exponential growth means and where it would have taken any healthcare system if everything had continued on the same trajectory as before, right ?

 

[moosekill]

That is not a narrative. The fact it didn't become even more of a disaster is because of the action that was taken in most places. You do understand what exponential growth means and where it would have taken any healthcare system if everything had continued on the same trajectory as before, right ?

That is simply wrong. The narrative was, if we don't flatten the curve we will overwhelm hospitals and more will die. We have to flatten the curve to allow people to slow the infections so they won't all hit at once, and we can reach herd immunity without overwhelming the system. Herd immunity involves a large percentage of the population catching this. Anyone that says any different is rewriting history and is wrong. It was never to keep everyone from catching this, the only way you achieve herd immunity is having lots of people catch it, which will eventually happen, if it already hasn't.

 

[NormZauchin]

That is simply wrong. The narrative was, if we don't flatten the curve we will overwhelm hospitals and more will die. We have to flatten the curve to allow people to slow the infections so they won't all hit at once, and we can reach herd immunity without overwhelming the system. Herd immunity involves a large percentage of the population catching this. Anyone that says any different is rewriting history and is wrong. It was never to keep everyone from catching this, the only way you achieve herd immunity is having lots of people catch it, which will eventually happen, if it already hasn't.

The problem with the herd immunity thesis is that, as yet, no one has any idea for what time period immunity is conferred on those who have had the disease. If the immunity is not long, say a couple of months, some restrictions will probably remain in place.

 

[jimnance]

Will they play in front of empty stadiums?

Will they test all the players?

Will they replace the balls frequently?

Will they requires gloves for everyone?

Pretty sure in mlb it will be mandatory
for all 9 players on the field to wear gloves.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

The argument that I keep hearing is to have all of the "vulnerable" shelter while everyone else goes out there and gets it, builds persistent neutralizing antibodies (if they exist), and then (poof!) we'll have herd immunity.

problem 1: 80-90% of the population needs to get immunity (by disease, or by vaccine) for the population to have herd immunity

problem 2: the vulnerable population is way more than 10-20%, since it includes:
-those over 60
those under 60 who are
-overweight. not just obese, but overweight
-have high blood pressure
-have high cholesterol
-have diabetes or pre-diabetes
-have blood clotting issues
-have asthma
-have any other respiratory condition
-smoke
-have any autoimmune disease
-have a weakened immune system for any reason

I'm not talking about a vulnerable person being in ALL of these categories, but in ANY of these categories.

problem 3: the vulnerable population is probably 3x above the number that can be protected and reach herd immunity for the population. Therefore, absent a vaccine, we need to identify two-thirds of them to "take one for the economy"

If problem 3 doesn't bother you, then you might be a Nazi.

The only realistic way to herd immunity (if it is even possible) is a safe and effective vaccine.

It also doesn't make sense to endure the economic cost of shutting down the economy until a vaccine is in hand, so when we "open up", people need to take things seriously (masks, distancing, no large groups) or else even half way to the old normal will be a long, long time away.

I have heard people say that they won't wear a mask in public. It is their right, they say. Sure, it may be. But I put it somewhere on the "not cool" list between intentionally farting on an elevator and spitting in somebody's face. Just do it. It isn't that much of a sacrifice. My WWII vet dad sacrificed a hell of a lot more very day for 3 years and never whined about it.

I am eager to get back to work in 3 days, with mask at the ready, working shifts in re-configured work spaces to ensure proper distancing.

We can re-start, sensibly, and not be denialists or anti-science stooges.

Sorry for venting, and dislike away.