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PATRIOTS NEWS NFL announces deal with Walsh; Goodell meeting set for May 13

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FF, I think you're reaching here.

Just connecting the dots, lets say that Walsh was indeed the source of the Feb. 2 Tomase rumor about the Patriots videotaping the Rams walkthrough. I won't get into Walsh's motivation for dropping that rumor to the Herald, but let's say he did. Seems to me that absent of any proof of this, Walsh would desperately seek indemnification for making those claims without proof for fear of being named in any defamation lawsuit that the Patriots could file against both Walsh AND the Herald.

Florio thinks so as well:



Bingo. IMO, Walsh's agreement with the NFL and the Patriots is pretty much an effort to avoid getting dragged into this whole mess, which is why the team, the NFL and most of the connected beat writers are publicly confident that there's no new "bombshell" evidence. Walsh overplayed his hand here and he's trying desparately to keep from getting destroyed in court.

Could be--we'll see. What do folks here make of the recent comment last week by Goodell re-emphasizing that Walsh's claim is that he has new evidence that could lead to new sanctions? I'm surprised that that didn't get more play in the media last week, but that's a pretty good paraphrase of what Goodell said. In my mind his emphasis on "new" evidence in his statement means that Walsh seems to think he has more than just the taping of D signals we already know about (and which will be old news if that's all he has).
 
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FF, I think it's a pure PR move that's 100% in response to the criticism that the NFL destroyed the original Pats video "evidence". If the NFL comes out and says "Walsh doesn't have anything new. Trust us," how would THAT play? The NFL has to say that they are talking with Walsh in an effort to determine if he has any new evidence if they are to be taken seriously in the court of public opinion. Color me skeptical that Goodell's statement suggests that Walsh feels he has the goods on the Pats.
 
For some reason, I do not have a good feeling about this. Walsh is no longer stalling for time which means he must have something of substance.
 
Fanetic
As much as you and Goodell and the media want to keep this BS going to screw the Pats, I think that Walsh will either have nothing new or be in a world of trouble wit the Commonwealth. Remember indemnity is not immunity. LOL
 
Fanetic
As much as you and Goodell and the media want to keep this BS going to screw the Pats, I think that Walsh will either have nothing new or be in a world of trouble wit the Commonwealth. Remember indemnity is not immunity. LOL

Well, of course you would think that. It's only natural as Pats fans to turn a blind eye to this situation and act like he doesn't have anything. On the other hand, the fact that he's coming forward means he has something against us, no matter how small it may be. And I know I'll get harped on for this but it's whatever.
 
Well, of course you would think that. It's only natural as Pats fans to turn a blind eye to this situation and act like he doesn't have anything. On the other hand, the fact that he's coming forward means he has something against us, no matter how small it may be. And I know I'll get harped on for this but it's whatever.

I can't believe I'm about to type this, but here goes. It is possible that Walsh doesn't have anything more than we already know (i.e., D signal tapes), but let his mouth overload his fanny earlier this year and now has to come forward and give what he has (which in such case would be nothing new, no big deal). In other words, backed himself into a corner. Weighing what I know now (including a report in another thread that Peter King says Walsh has nothing new--like him or not, he does have decent sources) I'd personally say it's about even money that he has that SB Walkthrough tape. The beauty is we'll likely all get to see in a few weeks time.
 
Keep on praying. The only thing he has is a big mouth and game tapes he stole.When he comes up empty, you will be hard to find troll.
 
Keep on praying. The only thing he has is a big mouth and game tapes he stole.When he comes up empty, you will be hard to find troll.

Sort of like you all were after the SB, both on other peoples' boards and when you locked this one down?
 
I agree with the previous posters, Walsh was hoping to get some quick cash from the media by making false claims and the reason that he has taken so long to cut a deal is that he is trying to protect himself from being prosecuted for the crimes he committed, i.e. stealing property of the Patriots and NFL. And I wonder if with a little detective work that we would found out that Walsh has been selling those videos to collectors, and making some nice change for himself. This is why he and his lawyers were stalling for so long, they want legal protection.
 
Fanetic
Unlike you and the other trolls like yourself, I have never gone on other people boards period. I personally consider agitating on other teams sites to be objectionable.This is just another one of your falsel and unsupported statements which you cannot stop making. Nothing has changed since you first started posting here, we still don't give a rat's butt what you or people like you think.
 
On 6., my point is that the fact they're spending a good bit of ink on this implies an increased likelihood that a SB walkthrough tape exists (which many folks on the board have denied strenuously in the past). We'll also have to agree to disagree on who's more believable as to its origin if it does, but I'd bet you $1,000 that if you take a poll of folks outside the NE area on who they'll believe on that one, it will be Walsh (and I'd say it will be by about 90-10, but I could be wrong on that).....

Didn't see what the mod edited out on your response but as for what people who already hate us believe, screw them. All that matters is what the league determines in believable. And they have stated that it will be ON HIM to prove a walkthrough tape - IF it in fact exists or even IF he continues to claim it perhaps once did - was made at the direction of the team. And he best not attest to anything as being truthful if they can prove he is knowingly lying - because that would invalidate his entire indemnity.
 
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I can't believe I'm about to type this, but here goes. It is possible that Walsh doesn't have anything more than we already know (i.e., D signal tapes), but let his mouth overload his fanny earlier this year and now has to come forward and give what he has (which in such case would be nothing new, no big deal). In other words, backed himself into a corner. Weighing what I know now (including a report in another thread that Peter King says Walsh has nothing new--like him or not, he does have decent sources) I'd personally say it's about even money that he has that SB Walkthrough tape. The beauty is we'll likely all get to see in a few weeks time.

That doesn't even make sense for a Harvard lawyer... You acknowledge the possibility that Walsh is an embellisher, to put it kindly. You believe King is well sourced, he says there is nothing new, you interrpret that as Walsh indeed has the walkthrough tape...

Go home troll. Expound there about something really important like your team moving to a new zip code or the potential effects of a lockout on the league or an uncapped league on the Bills.
 
Didn't see what the mod edited out on your response but as for what people who already hate us believe, screw them. All that matters is what the league determines in believable. And they have stated that it will be ON HIM to prove a walkthrough tape - IF it in fact exists or even IF he continues to claim it perhaps once did - was made at the direction of the team. And he best not attest to anything as being truthful if they can prove he is knowingly lying - because that would invalidate his entire indemnity.

That's admittedly an interesting point that perhaps the League (and the Pats) have inserted this here so that they can argue that Walsh did this on his own. I was more focused on it as a implying that such a tape does indeed exist, which has been the subject of a lot of conjecture. They can put the burden on Walsh, but the League will almost certainly lose the public relations battle on this point, although you may be right that they put it in there so the Pats don't need to get punished for it. Wow, the League may have taken steps yet again to protect the Pats--who'd have thunk it.....
 
That doesn't even make sense for a Harvard lawyer... You acknowledge the possibility that Walsh is an embellisher, to put it kindly. You believe King is well sourced, he says there is nothing new, you interrpret that as Walsh indeed has the walkthrough tape...

Go home troll. Expound there about something really important like your team moving to a new zip code or the potential effects of a lockout on the league or an uncapped league on the Bills.

I have--look it up. As noted above, I root for a team, but try to be objective about things, including things near and dear to them (like what may be an inevitable move to Toronto.) Have fun on the 13th folks.....
 
We will have more fun than your and ypur pathetic team, troll
 
The really funny part is that anyone reading the order of posts above will see that I was actually agreeing with you all that Walsh may actually have nothing here (and just let his mouth overload his butt when he started talking to the media), but that was just glossed over by attacks on anyone who isn't a "True Believer", leading me to respond in kind. Apologies to anyone I've offended, but I try to calls 'em like I sees 'em.
 
There's three major problems with the concept of there being a tape:

(1) First off, if the tape exists, and, if it existed, it must have existed for at least six years--why haven't we seen it yet?

(2) Second, for the Patriots to have acted the way they have in regards to this episode implies one of two things: (1) they truly believe they have nothing to fear from Walsh, or (2) they are incredibly stupid, and have taken opportunities at nearly every turn to shoot themselves in the foot, and make things worse for themselves if Walsh is correct.

(3) At no point to date, with respect to this whole investigation, has any "target" of the investigation been shown to have actually lied. So, if you believe that Walsh indeed has a tape--and its provenance is damaging to the Patriots--then you also have to believe that Belichick, Pioli, et al. are lying to both the public and the NFL, when they know that the consequences of that would be worse than what they've already suffered.
 
Fanetic
What I can't understand is why you continue posting on this site. Nobody here gives a crap what you or people in the other parts of the country. Don't they have a newspaper in Buffalo.
As for calling them as you see them, let me just say our perspective is different
 
There's three major problems with the concept of there being a tape:

(1) First off, if the tape exists, and, if it existed, it must have existed for at least six years--why haven't we seen it yet?

(2) Second, for the Patriots to have acted the way they have in regards to this episode implies one of two things: (1) they truly believe they have nothing to fear from Walsh, or (2) they are incredibly stupid, and have taken opportunities at nearly every turn to shoot themselves in the foot, and make things worse for themselves if Walsh is correct.

(3) At no point to date, with respect to this whole investigation, has any "target" of the investigation been shown to have actually lied. So, if you believe that Walsh indeed has a tape--and its provenance is damaging to the Patriots--then you also have to believe that Belichick, Pioli, et al. are lying to both the public and the NFL, when they know that the consequences of that would be worse than what they've already suffered.

I think what the agreement was crafted to deal with is the possibility that Matt still isn't willing to admit he flat out concocted a story, that he will continue to alledge a tape exists or once existed only he no longer has it in his possession, therefore he will be required to either retrieve and produce it or provide credible evidence of it's previous existence AND evidence that someone on the staff either saw it or requested it be made or it becomes a he said they said where he loses the credibility battle. They won't say he's lying (unless they also have compelling evidence that proves he is doing so knowingly), but they also won't accept his allegations merely at face value.

Of course he may also come clean and admit the walkthrough story was a creation of fancy born of opportunity but I'm not holding my breath.

BTW knowledge of the walkthrough tape story's existence predated knowledge of the signal taping (because nobody anticipated the value of the signal taping revelation until after it occurred...who'd a thunk it'd be illegal to tape something in plain sight...). Felger has stated that employees of both the Herald and Globe had been in contact with Walsh over a couple of years - contact he initiated sometime after he was fired. If that is true then he only always wanted to get even and make it look as if he was fired because he knew too much... He likely wasn't looking for money which would have necessitated producing the tape, he was just looking to get even by giving an already distrustful local media (in what remained his family home town) a little something to fuel that distrust.

I don't doubt that when the video taping controversy erupted in September, his name wasn't passed on to some 4 letter turds so they could do the dirty work and connect the dots if possible. It was too volitile a connection for the locals to run with and they don't have the resources of the 4 letter network to camp on Walsh's door 6000 miles away. Even for them it was still a stretch even after Specter poked his stick into the nest. But that was reason enough for the NYT and ESPN to take Matt Walsh's existence public as well as his insinuations that he had more damaging evidence he might be persuaded to share (the old signal tapes).

I believe that in turn spooked Tomase, who I believe decided to mischaracterize a source into confirmation. I've heard that source was the lone employee who had remained in contact with Walsh after he was fired. He could confirm for John that Walsh in fact was alleging he taped the walkthrough, although he had no direct knowledge beyond what Walsh had told him, had never seen a tape nor did he know if anyone else on the team ever had. Under pressure and at risk of losing the real potential smoking gun story, and one most of the locals probably in fact believed was true just because it played to the cut throat image they held of Bill, John and his tabloid bosses who already had an exe to grind with Bill over access ran with the story before someone else decided to.

I don't think Walsh believed he would ever have to produce the tape. Pathological liars, including some I've known, never seem to consider someone will make the effort to disprove them. Even after the story broke, I think he believed he had enough other tape that he could somehow explain away an inability to produce that particular tape while still retaining credibility because he had so many others. Once he and his newfound handlers realized that the older signal tapes were of no use because the team had already copped to them and that was included in the penalty, he was effectively screwed. And now there was a friggin' senator involved.

This agreement is all about covering his ass and paying his formerly pro bono lawyer for nothing but this agreement. If he's smart he will tell the truth. If his ego won't allow that, he will tell his story absent any tangible proof and hope that they haven't already found a way to not only disprove it but to prove he knows he's lying. And that is likely what Spector and the mediots who got played by him are certainly hoping. They can live with lets all just walk away because of how they could then spin that, what would really harm them is if he admits the truth is there never was a walkthrough taped.
 
Walsh must never be coming back to N.E.

Imagine how long he'd last on the street if he was spotted walking down Copley?
 
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