New Orleans Pick settles at #27

[FreeTedWilliams]

I said last year on draft day, that the Pats would be lucky if the First rounderer they get from NO next year would be at #28, well I guess I was wrong...

Great Blue North Draft Report

The Pats will pick at #27 , their own first rounderer lets say #32, #48 fron Oakland, and then #64.

That's four high draft picks..............

 

[Husse]

I feel like the likely scenario is one of the 1st rounders get traded for a 1st next year and a 2nd this year. That is the norm anyway.

If that happens and we end up with 3 2nd rounders, we will use atleast one of them to get picks in round 5-7.

 

[patsfaninpa]

With the 27th pick the Seattle Seahawks select Ryan Tanneyhill in a pick acquired from the New England Patriots for their 2nd in 2012, 5th in 2012 and 2nd in 2013.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I think BB would probably say that he needs to see how the first round unfolds before he decides to trade away the second first rounder. But two things are clear:

1.) The guys that BB sees as late first round value are probably not going to fall into our lap at #32 because they have to run a gauntlet of teams that pick players we like, Houston, Pittsburgh, Green Bay to name a few.

2.) There is no clear cut guy that I see BB absolutely wanting to trade up for.

I really like Cox at #27 but I do not see another defensive player that I think fits at #32.

 

[patsfaninpa]

I think BB would probably say that he needs to see how the first round unfolds before he decides to trade away the second first rounder. But two things are clear:

1.) The guys that BB sees as late first round value are probably not going to fall into our lap at #32 because they have to run a gauntlet of teams that pick players we like, Houston, Pittsburgh, Green Bay to name a few.

2.) There is no clear cut guy that I see BB absolutely wanting to trade up for.

I really like Cox at #27 but I do not see another defensive player that I think fits at #32.

In Mock section I suggested 32 and 64 if Upshaw slides to 18-20. Cox at 27. Back To The Future. I mean 3-4.

 

[patfanken]

In Mock section I suggested 32 and 64 if Upshaw slides to 18-20. Cox at 27. Back To The Future. I mean 3-4.

That's the question you have to ask yourself. How far up would packaging those picks get you - My off the cuff feeling is only around 17-20. If I'm right, then who at that level would be worth losing an extra pick for.

For example which would be better value.

Trading up to get Upshaw, or making the picks and get BOTH - Minnefield and one of Grid's DTs, or Minnefield and the Ohio State C - or Minnefield and a big physical speed WR.

I believe the only reason to trade up is to get a "special" non-QB player, and those are generally gone in the first 8-10 pickskl; so if you can't get that high, the talent level of the next 35 guys is pretty much the same. So quite frankly, I'd rather have 2 very good prospects, than one

 

[patsfaninpa]

That's the question you have to ask yourself. How far up would packaging those picks get you - My off the cuff feeling is only around 17-20. If I'm right, then who at that level would be worth losing an extra pick for.

For example which would be better value.

Trading up to get Upshaw, or making the picks and get BOTH - Minnefield and one of Grid's DTs, or Minnefield and the Ohio State C - or Minnefield and a big physical speed WR.

I believe the only reason to trade up is to get a "special" non-QB player, and those are generally gone in the first 8-10 pickskl; so if you can't get that high, the talent level of the next 35 guys is pretty much the same. So quite frankly, I'd rather have 2 very good prospects, than one

Agree with the theory. Usually better to keep the picks. But, Ryan kerrigan went 15th last year. If we could get to 15. Philly's pick. Would move us ahead of Jets and Chargers. I'd be tempted to try and get Upshaw. Or, maybe a guy like Nick Perry. I'm sure we won't move up. Just throwing it out there.

 

[borisman]

So we're looking at a trade down or picking someone like S. Gilmore, C. Minnifield, D. Still, F. Cox or B. Thompson. If we had to do it over again would you not trade last years pick to NO and draft someone like M. Wilkerson, C. Heyward, J. Sheard or B. Reed and not have Shane Vereen and one of the above mentioned? J. Sheard looks like a player. Shane Vereen has to do something next year but he's currently fourth on the depth chart at RB.

 

[VrabelJr]

We're not looking at Devon Still. He's a top 10-15 pick.

 

[chuckdoucette]

I would go with Cox at 27, Trade 32 for a 1st next year and a 3rd this year to a team (Washington) that needs a QB (Tannehill) and misses out on (RGIII). I would go with (C) Brewster and (CB) Gilmore in the 2nd round. (DE) Winn and (WR) Streeter in the 3rd.
If we could flip our 2nd 1st for a 2013 1st from a team that has a chance to suck that would be sweet.

 

[ay-yo]

I'd trade up for Michael Brockers. 6-6 300 lbs with the frame to support more weight. Only 21. A stud DL is more valuable than a stud DB or LB.

 

[mgteich]

Hindsight is 100%. We needed a running back or two for the future. Vereen was the choice. Most here agreed with the choice at the time. Vereen was on many of our lists of likely patriot draftees. That Ridley may turn out to be a better pick (to the surprise of many of us) is not relevant. After all, Ridley only got his chance when Vereen was injured.

Yes, many of us would have drafted Reed.

So we're looking at a trade down or picking someone like S. Gilmore, C. Minnifield, D. Still, F. Cox or B. Thompson. If we had to do it over again would you not trade last years pick to NO and draft someone like M. Wilkerson, C. Heyward, J. Sheard or B. Reed and not have Shane Vereen and one of the above mentioned? J. Sheard looks like a player. Shane Vereen has to do something next year but he's currently fourth on the depth chart at RB.

 

[Dago]

With the 27th pick the Seattle Seahawks select Ryan Tanneyhill in a pick acquired from the New England Patriots for their 2nd in 2012, 5th in 2012 and 2nd in 2013.

what?
no 1st 2013?

 

[patsfaninpa]

what?
no 1st 2013?

Only trading down 11 or 12 spots. We traded down a whole round to Get NO's first. Plus, seattle prob only 7 or 8 win team tops. Don't think they give up their first.

 

[reflexblue]

I said last year on draft day, that the Pats would be lucky if the First rounderer they get from NO next year would be at #28, well I guess I was wrong...

Great Blue North Draft Report

The Pats will pick at #27 , their own first rounderer lets say #32, #48 fron Oakland, and then #64.

That's four high draft picks..............

This is about where i thought the pick would land, the late twenties. Not sure how deep the draft is this year, i know last years was one of the best for Defensive front seven players. IMO he'll trade the pick again.

 

[patfanken]

Agree with the theory. Usually better to keep the picks. But, Ryan kerrigan went 15th last year. If we could get to 15. Philly's pick. Would move us ahead of Jets and Chargers. I'd be tempted to try and get Upshaw. Or, maybe a guy like Nick Perry. I'm sure we won't move up. Just throwing it out there.

But that's what I don't understand. Kerrigan is a nice player, but where would we have been without Solder this season. Now with the NO pick we have a lot more flexibility.

Besides think of this team without Solder and with Kerrigan - Anything Kerrigan could have given us was equaled by Anderson, while we would have been in big trouble on the OL without Solder, given the games Volmer and Light has missed.

I'd would have loved Kerrigan, He would have made a nice bookend with Ninko, but we can't always get EVERYTHING and Solder was a much more valuable pick....given 20-20 hindsight,

BTW - I think even if Kerrigan had slipped passed the Skins, I doubt the Pats would have grabbed him instead of Solder. JMHO

 

[borisman]

Hindsight is 100%. We needed a running back or two for the future. Vereen was the choice. Most here agreed with the choice at the time. Vereen was on many of our lists of likely patriot draftees. That Ridley may turn out to be a better pick (to the surprise of many of us) is not relevant. After all, Ridley only got his chance when Vereen was injured.

Yes, many of us would have drafted Reed.

In hindsight I was asking if people would still do the deal of Vereen plus this years 27th (PTBNL) pick or pick one of the four players mentioned above last year.

 

[patsfaninpa]

But that's what I don't understand. Kerrigan is a nice player, but where would we have been without Solder this season. Now with the NO pick we have a lot more flexibility.

Besides think of this team without Solder and with Kerrigan - Anything Kerrigan could have given us was equaled by Anderson, while we would have been in big trouble on the OL without Solder, given the games Volmer and Light has missed.

I'd would have loved Kerrigan, He would have made a nice bookend with Ninko, but we can't always get EVERYTHING and Solder was a much more valuable pick....given 20-20 hindsight,

BTW - I think even if Kerrigan had slipped passed the Skins, I doubt the Pats would have grabbed him instead of Solder. JMHO

I loved the Solder pick. I didn't think Light would come back. Thought KC or Atl would scoop him up. I wanted to trade 28 and 60 to move up and get him. Pick 15th and 16th. Back to back picks. Like we did in 09 during the 2nd round. I just thought last year was a good year for pass rushers and ok for 2-gap de's. We're back in the same boat now. Still have those same two holes to fill if we're back to the 3-4 which I anticipate.

 

[SirApropos]

Since Brockers has declared I can see Devon Still sliding a bit and someone like the Carolina Panthers trading up from 40/42 to 27 and taking him and giving the Pats a 5th and 2013 2nd.

 

[rdf63]

Strong feeling that the Pats will pull a move very similar to last years trade with the Saints and trade the 2nd 1st and get a 1st next year and 3rd this year. The most important part of last years draft was Solder who will be part of the Pats line for a long time.

Michael Brockers declaring for the draft is an interesting move for the Pats to consider. He is '6" 300 lbs and few players carry as much potential and upside as Brockers.

One player for the Pats to also consider in the 3rd or 4th round is Center William Vlacos of Alabama. I have been preaching his consideration and Brockers review states "Brockers has a tendency to come out of his stance high and give up leverage to shorter linemen. Really had issues with this against Alabama's William Vlachos".