Michael Lombardi coming to New England?

[SalemPats]

BB needs someone to get him a cup of coffee and a muffin

 

[Marinlik]

Seems like he knows something about WR's and TE's in his time at Cleveland.
Get us the next Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron and he's fine with me.

Both where there before Lombardi. I think that Lombardi has siad that it was a terrible choice by the Bronws to grab Gordon.

 

[Ring 6]

To be fair, Lombardi acted as consultant to this team 2010-2012. Draft was pretty good those years.

So at the very least you can't say it hurts this team.

Lombardi worked for the NFLN then, you can't give him credit for the draft because he was called a consultant.
Please give me any evidence that Lombardi had any influence on the draft, and I will stand corrected.
My point remains, its ridiculous to suggest that someone should come in and educate BB so that they can change his picks that didn't work out, but not the ones that did.

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure why anyone would have a problem with this?

Where would we have been if Parcells had come in and evaluated Scar the way you guys are evaluating Lombardi? Scar probably would have been fired for being part of the 1-15 and 2-14 teams.

Bottom line Lombardi has a lot of NFL experience and has worked with BB more than once. This is still BBs ship and there is nothing wrong with bringing in someone he is familar with and who has years of knowledge.

So you should not have a bad evaluation on anyone because it would be wrong if someone in the past evaluated a good coach poorly?

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Both where there before Lombardi. I think that Lombardi has siad that it was a terrible choice by the Bronws to grab Gordon.

There were three things that went right in Cleveland last year.

Stealing a 1st round pick from Indy for Richardson.

Hoyer's play

Josh Gordon

The first two were entirely Lombardi driven. Lombardi was Hoyer's advocate and had he not torn his ACL, they would have seriously contended for the AFC North.

Gordon only started to play well when he was constantly criticized and threatened with getting traded. it basically scared the living you know what out of him after the opening two game suspension.

This hire is logical because there is a consistency of opinion between Lombardi and Belichick.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Both where there before Lombardi. I think that Lombardi has siad that it was a terrible choice by the Bronws to grab Gordon.

He was completely correct. Gordon was pretty useless until Lombardi started to threaten him with getting traded or cut.

Based on the path that kid was going, he would most likely be sitting out right now from another round dumb Josh Gordon behavior.

 

[lurker1965]

Can he rush the passer?

Yes, I have no opinion on coach/GM types. I hope it helps, but whatever it does or doesn't do I trust the guys effected to do their jobs because I can't tell.

 

[shmessy]

As for Lombardi, hopefully he can provide some blowback in case BB finds his next Tavon Wilson in the second round.

Tavon Wilson in the 2nd was an absolute steal compared to Jake Bequette in the 3rd.

 

[All22PatsFan]

How many 3rd round picks work out?

 

[DocHoliday]

Tavon Wilson in the 2nd was an absolute steal compared to Jake Bequette in the 3rd.

Call me insane but I still have hopes for Wilson. At the very least he's good at ST.

 

[BigMike]

Hes joining as a "consultant" Was Floyd also a "Consultant?"

 

[shmessy]

How many 3rd round picks work out?

The vast majority at least get on an a statistic sheet within 2 years.

Here is Jake Bequette's 2 year NFL regular season career:

Tackles: 0

Sacks: 0

Interceptions: 0

So, why does everyone automaticaly use Tavon Wilson and his 5 INT's (one a pick-6 for a TD against the Ravens this year) in 2 years as the whipping boy? I'm not saying he was good value or even good, but at least he is an NFL football player.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Awesome number 1 I called this back in the thread where he got fired.
Number 2 this will give us insight on free agents like Ward, Mack, Little.

Maybe it's me but I don't see TJ Ward even getting on a plane to make a visit to Foxboro any time soon...

 

[BradyFTW!]

The vast majority at least get on an a statistic sheet within 2 years.

Here is Jake Bequette's 2 year NFL regular season career:

Tackles: 0

Sacks: 0

Interceptions: 0

So, why does everyone automaticaly use Tavon Wilson and his 5 INT's (one a pick-6 for a TD against the Ravens this year) in 2 years as the whipping boy? I'm not saying he was good value or even good, but at least he is an NFL football player.

Seriously, Bequette was a rare terrible pick that, even as it was made, I thought "wow, that has 'terrible pick' written all over it. There must be something here that I don't see."

No, as it turns out, he just really sucks. For the life of me, I can't understand what Belichick ever saw in him to think that he was worth a third round pick. There's just nothing there to lead you to believe that the guy could play in the NFL.

At least with Tavon, the issue was that nobody had really bothered to check him out, so it was entirely possible that he was good but underexposed. As it turns out, he has plenty of athleticism, and could totally be an effective player if he didn't keep making dumb, rookie mistakes.

I can understand failing to account for a player being mentally unable to handle the job. It's hard to scout a guy's brain. I cannot understand spending a third round pick on a guy who so clearly has physical limitations that will prevent him from ever being anything in the NFL.

So yeah, most third round picks fail, but there are degrees of failure. I'd rather rather see the Patriots draft guys like Shawn Crable in the third. At least they're athletic enough that, when you eventually find one with a functioning brain and a strong work ethic, you'll have a real football player. Bequette could be the savviest player in the world; it doesn't matter if you lack the athleticism to go up against NFL tackles. We've already seen Bequette's ceiling as a player, IMO, and it's a guy who can look dominant against 3rd/4th string tackles in preseason games, where his motor can take over because for once he isn't at a huge athletic disadvantage.

 

[signbabybrady]

So you should not have a bad evaluation on anyone because it would be wrong if someone in the past evaluated a good coach poorly?

yeah sort of but not by that logic.

It is one thing for us as fans to evaluate a player where we can actually see what they do on the field. but to evaluate a coach or GM is a little different as most of their work goes on behind the scenes. Obviously at some point ones body of work will speak for itself. But then you also need to consider what job is he being asked to come in here and do? So maybe you have enough info to call Lombardi a bad GM but you most certainly do not have enough info to evaluate how Lombardi will do in a role here that as of yet is undefined.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Shades of Belichick being let go by the Browns and Parcells instantly bringing his friend and former colleague to NE - no offense to any of the coaches who were here, but Parcells knew, when you have a chance to improve your team with the likes of Belichick, you do it.

Seems like Bill was on the phone with his friend and former colleague immediately, and Lombardi was only too happy to join the front office with an immediate landing position (a bit of a nose thumb to the dysfunctional Browns front office that doesn't exactly give their coaches, staff and players time to turn the ship before abandoning them

Let's hope things work out as well as they did when Parcells brought Belichick to NE

 

[DocHoliday]

Lets pump the brakes a little bit on the Bequette pick. He led the SEC in sacks in 2011 - he may suck now but he wasn't a total scrub when the Pats picked him.

If I recall correctly, people were stoked when he was drafted.

 

[Rob0729]

Hes joining as a "consultant" Was Floyd also a "Consultant?"

Yes, Reese was a consultant.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

The vast majority at least get on an a statistic sheet within 2 years.

Here is Jake Bequette's 2 year NFL regular season career:

Tackles: 0

Sacks: 0

Interceptions: 0

So, why does everyone automaticaly use Tavon Wilson and his 5 INT's (one a pick-6 for a TD against the Ravens this year) in 2 years as the whipping boy? I'm not saying he was good value or even good, but at least he is an NFL football player.

Because everybody saw that as a bad pick a mile away.

Because Bequette really sucking doesn't make Wilson suck any less.

Because a failure at the 90th pick is a lot more tolerable than 45th. (See next).

Because 5 picks sandwiching the Wilson pick were Alshon Jeffrey, Mychal Kendricks, Bobby Wagner and Kendall Reyes and the Patriots come away with Tavon F'n Wilson?

Because Lavonte David was sitting there, as were any number of DL, DB, OL with better measurables, better production from better college programs with, most importantly, better odds of turning into productive NFL player. They bought a lottery ticket with Powerball odds and a $100 payoff.

 

[condon84]

I am neither here nor there RE Lombardi's credentials.

But he fleeced Indy on that Richardson trade. He also seemed to make some other pretty solid personnel decisions in his time there.

I guess we will see what happens. If anything pats will just get an insight into what another teams opinion of players is.

My thought is: Belichick is a smart guy, he's not just gonna bring a guy in like Lombardi to make coffee and serve donuts.