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No offense but you're completely full of ****.

I expect that Mr. Tobias is a little concerned is the stigma to be called a druggie or stoner if you thought I specifically directed it that way. Tobias, I did not try to offend you. Just plane fact sir. It's your life. I am not judging you for you and what you enjoy to do. Just don't tell me the rest of the world should be cool with stoners.

One of my clients just lost a relative of 18 years old who wrapped a car around a pole over the weekend and died in that car wreck which he was under the influence so I might be a little insensitive to some of the pleasures that people enjoy getting high which I do not understand. But hey that is just me. It must be fun. I prefer not to see the humor or justification that everybody does it.

Had another relative whom I care for deeply that smoked em up. It did not make him one bit smarter, in fact I asked if I could visit his supplier for a general discussion but was rebuffed.

If you partake and there is no indication you do or don't other than to question the state of my bowels, I hope you can stop. Moreover, hope you want to. Even better, hope your kids do not follow you............ but it is none of my business and sorry to anger you.

I just do not condone athletes who are an influence on kids being stoners and druggies.

Sorry to have offended you.
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DW Toys
 
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The thing about alcohol is that the majority of people drink without the intent of getting drunk. I'll go out for dinner with my wife and we'll have a glass of wine, or i'll go by a friends or my brothers and have a few beers. I can have a few drinks and stop. With weed or other drugs, the only reason to use them (unless for medical purposes) is to get high.
So? People are allowed to get drunk. Why shouldn't they be allowed to get high? What's the difference between taking a few hits from a bong to relax and having a few beers on the porch? I don't see anything wrong with either when done responsibly.

I don't know how old you are, but the majority of people my age (mid 20's) definitely drink to get drunk.

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OTOH, even though I haven't smoked in about 15 years, it's easy to recall the early 70s when we could get genuine gold Colombian, Panama Red, Acapulco Gold etc. We were connoisseurs and would revel in the unmistakable aromas and rich flavors. Then the market turned green and boring. I don't know what it's like now being out of it for so long.
You can still find a lot of strains out there, depending on where you live. I used to know a guy who would have three or four different kinds at a time.
 
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DW Toys:

While I understand what you are saying and agree with you somewhat, what really grinds my gears is that alcohol gets a free pass even thought it does a lot of the same things to the body. It pisses me off when weed smokers are looked down upon but drinking is A-OK by social standards.

FWIW, I have never smoked weed since I come from a family of addicts. However, my brother DID quit smoking pot (among other things)...he's been clean and sober 5 years last Friday.

Great to hear about your Brother. God bless him. Hope he stays sober.
I am not a drinker but will share a glass with my wife once in a while and prefer an Ice Tea or something in actuality.

If you drink wine because you appreciate the taste that is one thing. The most perfect guy to ever walk this planet liked the taste of a good wine (see Water To Wine gig).

If you drink wine to get blottoed, that's is another thing. Alcoholics are looked down upon as not acceptable and needing help.

Look, we all have our issues so I am no judge for sure, but when people shrug off stoners as "so what" and think it is acceptable and kids watch them play...that grinds my gears.
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They BS is running deep in this thread, grasshopper. A couple of points

1. I think BB was explaining to the Florida players that indiscretions like Hernandez and Spikes did at FU will cost them money, like it did Spikes and Hernandez. Just like it will cost JJenkins a lot of money THIS year. It was an object lesson that their actions in college will follow them into the NFL. Its a good lesson.

2. Cut the crap on "marajuan is illegal" crap. If they tested every college football player under 21 for alcohol use there would be no one to play the game....and the last time I looked, in most states drinking alcohol under the age of 21 is "illegal". Of course Toy,I'm sure YOU never had a drink until you were 21

3. The documented destructiveness of alcohol is MUCH greater than MJ ever has been. The contention that smoking MJ leads inevitably to cocaine is just plain ludicrous. I'm sure all cocaine users have used MJ, but not all MJ users used cocaine. I'm also sure that all illegal drug users have use alcohol. Why aren't you on your high horse banging the drum against the biggest sponsors of the NFL, Toys. The least you can be in all your righteous indignation is consistent.

4. The world would be a much better place if alcohol was treated by the legal system like MJ is, and MJ was treated by the legal system like alcohol is.

5. It is stupid that MJ is treated the same as PED's by the NFL, and hypocritical that you can be suspended for having a joint after a game, but you're virtually encouraged to have a few beers by the league's major sponsors

I have started a moral issue and that was not appropriate! Had a few beers when I was 15. The bed would not stop spinning. I pretty much thought then and there it was a pretty stupid idea.

People smoke pot to get high. I am not a drinker buy I believe that my friends and family who do enjoy a beer or wine do not do it for that reason. My mother enjoyed a good scotch (tasted like medicine to me!!!) If they over do it as millions have, they are classified as alcoholics and should seek help.

Call me a hypocrite if you want because I can live without either but I think you are a smart guy. Pretty simple to me. Pot=stoned for that reason! Alcohol can be as bad but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.
Now I will add this as fact. I will venture to say everyone who does MJ as you say, 100% do drink as well. Is that a fair statement?

I will say 95% of all MJ users have or will graduate to something a little better. Please don't tell me that does not happen. Be it pills, cocaine etc. I will go out on a limb and if you put on a lie detector 95% of those MJ people and that is a reasonable number.
You appear to partake. Tell me never once have you attempted or did something stronger?

I am not judging anyone. Smoke your head off. Just don't tell me athletes who are stoners should be glossed over when they are looked up to be kids.
No offense meant your way sir.
DW Toys
 
The thing about alcohol is that the majority of people drink without the intent of getting drunk. I'll go out for dinner with my wife and we'll have a glass of wine, or i'll go by a friends or my brothers and have a few beers. I can have a few drinks and stop. With weed or other drugs, the only reason to use them (unless for medical purposes) is to get high.

I don't know about other people, but I don't drink whiskey & beer because I like how they taste.
I drink them because I want to catch a buzz.
If I want something that tastes good, I have a soda.

Legalize it.
 
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Didn't Kevin Faulk get in a bit of hot water for being caught with a doobie at a concert? I couldn't care less... as far as I'm concerned it helped Hernandez fall to us, and I couldn't be happier. It may have hurt his rookie contract but he's going to be laughing all the way to the bank when he gets his second contract in the tens of millions (may or may not be from us?). Save the drug debate for somewhere else.
 
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Kids that are NFL caliber players who smoke weed are complete idiots. How many millions did Hernandez cost himself by smoking dope? He could have been a 1st or 2nd round choice, instead he gets picked in the 4th.

Calvin Johnson and Amobi Okoye tested positive for weed at the combine, as well. How much did they cost themselves? ... absolutely nothing, that's what. It really doesn't matter, and teams are now realizing that too. A positive weed test now is what getting busted for drinking when you're 20 was a couple decades ago. It simply doesn't matter. Hernandez didn't drop to the 4th round because of one positive weed test. He dropped because people had concerns about his attitude.
 
The thing about alcohol is that the majority of people drink without the intent of getting drunk. I'll go out for dinner with my wife and we'll have a glass of wine, or i'll go by a friends or my brothers and have a few beers. I can have a few drinks and stop. With weed or other drugs, the only reason to use them (unless for medical purposes) is to get high.

That makes no sense. Weed is exactly like alcohol in that there are varying levels of high, just like there are varying levels of drunk. Saying that the only reason to use weed is to get high is exactly the same as saying that the only reason to drink is to get drunk. They're both ignorant, obviously wrong statements. Stick to what to you know.

I don't care to start a debate on the morals of smoking, especially since I don't smoke, but don't pretend that you're informed on things that you clearly know nothing about. Recreational drugs are recreational drugs, and alcohol is one of them.
 
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I expect that Mr. Tobias is a little concerned is the stigma to be called a druggie or stoner if you thought I specifically directed it that way. Tobias, I did not try to offend you. Just plane fact sir. It's your life. I am not judging you for you and what you enjoy to do. Just don't tell me the rest of the world should be cool with stoners.

You didn't offend me.

I simply pointed out that you're full of ****.

Just plane fact sir.
 
Calvin Johnson and Amobi Okoye tested positive for weed at the combine, as well. How much did they cost themselves? ... absolutely nothing, that's what. It really doesn't matter, and teams are now realizing that too. A positive weed test now is what getting busted for drinking when you're 20 was a couple decades ago. It simply doesn't matter. Hernandez didn't drop to the 4th round because of one positive weed test. He dropped because people had concerns about his attitude.

Those guys actually admitted to using it in the past as opposed to testing positive just for the record there. I agree with you on weed in general not having the same stigma to scouts though. More of an issue of a player being a moron for testing positive when they know they are being tested as opposed to the actual testing positive piece.

Report: Johnson among those admitting marijuana use - NFL - ESPN
 
I'm a criminal defense attorney who represents many, many people involved in some aspect of the illegal controlled substances trade (buyers and sellers). I have an immediate family member who is a recovering addict and extremely active in Narcotics Anonymous. And I have several friends who have experimented with illegal drugs in high school and college. Here's what I strongly believe:

1. Marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol. I have never met or represented someone who got high on marijuana and became violent. I have never met someone who robbed or stole to feed their marijuana habit. Most people who smoke marijuana laugh, eat, and sleep.

2. Marijuana is far less damaging to the body than alcohol or tobacco. I have never met someone who died from a marijuana overdose (impossible) or from marijuana abuse (though lung cancer is a theoretical side effect, I think it is highly unlikely- no one smokes 2 packs a day of marijuana). I think athletes favor marijuana because you can smoke and wake up the next day and not be hung over. That's not to say driving stoned is ok. But there are very few deaths a year directly attributable to marijuana (I imagine there are a handful of marijuana-related car accidents causing deaths and a handful of cases of lung cancer caused by marijuana.) There are hundreds of thousands of deaths a year attributable to alcohol and tobacco.

3. Marijuana is not physically addictive. There is no withdrawal when you quit using marijuana. I have suffered major headaches and been extremely lethargic when I quit caffeine, but no one who quits using marijuana complains of any physical withdrawal. Lots of people use marijuana then quit because it's no longer worth the risk. Lots of white collar professionals. Trust me.

4. Marijuana is not a gateway drug. People who are willing to break the law to alter their state of consciousness are often willing to try other drugs, but I am confident there is no causal connection linking the use of marijuana to the use of other illegal substances. I know lots and lots of people who have used marijuana and never tried anything else. Good friends, other professionals, family members, etc.

5. None of the above applies to cocaine, crack, heroin, oxycontin, opanas, meth, etc. That stuff will cause you to pimp your daughter, rob your mother, and do many other horrible things to feed that habit. Most my clients who rob and steal do so to feed one of those drug habits. I don't see a lot of people involved in crimes related to LSD or other hallucinogens, so I won't offer an opinion on those drugs.

6. People that think marijuana users are just like other "druggies" are woefully ignorant of reality and do more harm than good. If you're told throughout your childhood that marijuana is just as bad as cocaine, then you try marijuana and realize it's largely harmless, what do you now think about trying cocaine?

7. Alcohol, like marijuana, relaxes people. Drinking a single glass of wine doesn't make someone an alcoholic just like occasionally smoking a joint doesn't make someone a "druggie". If people tell you they drink solely because they like the taste, they're probably lying to you or themselves. They like the way it makes them feel. Flavor is generally just a bonus.

8. Marijuana use by NFL prospects should not be ignored by GMs. If nothing else, it tells you the prospect is willing to jeopardize his future just to smoke marijuana. That means he's guilty of at least poor judgment and, all other things being equal, is at least a bit more of a risk than an identical player who doesn't try marijuana.
 
3. Marijuana is not physically addictive. There is no withdrawal when you quit using marijuana. I have suffered major headaches and been extremely lethargic when I quit caffeine, but no one who quits using marijuana complains of any physical withdrawal. Lots of people use marijuana then quit because it's no longer worth the risk. Lots of white collar professionals. Trust me.

As someone who has quit both, I can attest to the fact that caffeine was infinitely harder. Frankly, 'quitting' marijuana basically entailed graduating from college and deciding that I was now too old for that stuff. It was easy.
 
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Even where weed is legal, it isn't really legal. It's still illegal on the federal level, hence all the raids on (legal in California) dispensaries out here.

the paradox of state and federal law contradicting each other (and worse, states purposefully thumbing their collective noises at the feds) is an issue for the supreme court to deal with, not million of MMIC holders across the states.

Legality has nothing to do with it's status in the NFL. I suppose it's possible the NFL would grant a waiver for medicinal purposes (although I don't think they actually would). Heck, there were tons of legal steroids on the market up until about 2010 before the FDA caught on.

this is the crux of my issue. the league, albeit private with the right to basically do whatever the hell they want, should fundamentally respect the medical needs of its members, especially treatments that are sanctioned by the FDA, which are not performance enhancing.

Think about it, if the govt can force a private catholic hospital to dispense birth control, I'm sure they would compel a private league to allow its constituents to receive valid medical treatment.
 
How did a thread about how much a piece of garbage urban meyer is turn into a drug debate? This is a slimeball that took over a College team with all the talent in the world and left it with absolutely nothing. Urban Meyer is a coward and a terrible human being, he fits perfectly in with the big ten.

the paradox of state and federal law contradicting each other (and worse, states purposefully thumbing their collective noises at the feds) is an issue for the supreme court to deal with, not million of MMIC holders across the states.

this is the crux of my issue. the league, albeit private with the right to basically do whatever the hell they want, should fundamentally respect the medical needs of its members, especially treatments that are sanctioned by the FDA, which are not performance enhancing.

Think about it, if the govt can force a private catholic hospital to dispense birth control, I'm sure they would compel a private league to allow its constituents to receive valid medical treatment.

it can't and it won't. state law should always trump federal law, and if the nfl decides its players should touch marijuana the players should agree or go work somewhere else, like any other employee. NFL players aren't somehow better than everyone else because they can play a child's game.
 
How did a thread about how much a piece of garbage urban meyer is turn into a drug debate? This is a slimeball that took over a College team with all the talent in the world and left it with absolutely nothing. Urban Meyer is a coward and a terrible human being, he fits perfectly in with the big ten.

are you a miami or FSU fan?
 
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I'm a criminal defense attorney who represents many, many people involved in some aspect of the illegal controlled substances trade (buyers and sellers). I have an immediate family member who is a recovering addict and extremely active in Narcotics Anonymous. And I have several friends who have experimented with illegal drugs in high school and college. Here's what I strongly believe:

1. Marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol. I have never met or represented someone who got high on marijuana and became violent. I have never met someone who robbed or stole to feed their marijuana habit. Most people who smoke marijuana laugh, eat, and sleep.

2. Marijuana is far less damaging to the body than alcohol or tobacco. I have never met someone who died from a marijuana overdose (impossible) or from marijuana abuse (though lung cancer is a theoretical side effect, I think it is highly unlikely- no one smokes 2 packs a day of marijuana). I think athletes favor marijuana because you can smoke and wake up the next day and not be hung over. That's not to say driving stoned is ok. But there are very few deaths a year directly attributable to marijuana (I imagine there are a handful of marijuana-related car accidents causing deaths and a handful of cases of lung cancer caused by marijuana.) There are hundreds of thousands of deaths a year attributable to alcohol and tobacco.

3. Marijuana is not physically addictive. There is no withdrawal when you quit using marijuana. I have suffered major headaches and been extremely lethargic when I quit caffeine, but no one who quits using marijuana complains of any physical withdrawal. Lots of people use marijuana then quit because it's no longer worth the risk. Lots of white collar professionals. Trust me.

4. Marijuana is not a gateway drug. People who are willing to break the law to alter their state of consciousness are often willing to try other drugs, but I am confident there is no causal connection linking the use of marijuana to the use of other illegal substances. I know lots and lots of people who have used marijuana and never tried anything else. Good friends, other professionals, family members, etc.

5. None of the above applies to cocaine, crack, heroin, oxycontin, opanas, meth, etc. That stuff will cause you to pimp your daughter, rob your mother, and do many other horrible things to feed that habit. Most my clients who rob and steal do so to feed one of those drug habits. I don't see a lot of people involved in crimes related to LSD or other hallucinogens, so I won't offer an opinion on those drugs.

6. People that think marijuana users are just like other "druggies" are woefully ignorant of reality and do more harm than good. If you're told throughout your childhood that marijuana is just as bad as cocaine, then you try marijuana and realize it's largely harmless, what do you now think about trying cocaine?

7. Alcohol, like marijuana, relaxes people. Drinking a single glass of wine doesn't make someone an alcoholic just like occasionally smoking a joint doesn't make someone a "druggie". If people tell you they drink solely because they like the taste, they're probably lying to you or themselves. They like the way it makes them feel. Flavor is generally just a bonus.

8. Marijuana use by NFL prospects should not be ignored by GMs. If nothing else, it tells you the prospect is willing to jeopardize his future just to smoke marijuana. That means he's guilty of at least poor judgment and, all other things being equal, is at least a bit more of a risk than an identical player who doesn't try marijuana.

As someone who presumably makes his (her) living by presenting arguments, you really should know better the difference between deductive and inductive logic.
 
As someone who presumably makes his (her) living by presenting arguments, you really should know better the difference between deductive and inductive logic.

I think when I said "Here's what I strongly believe:" I was conceding that my anecdotal experiences did not lead to a conclusive determination of fact. I concede that I made some conclusory statements, but again, they were prefaced by "This is what I strongly believe," and not characterized as indisputable fact. But thank you for your contribution to the discussion.
 
I'm a criminal defense attorney who represents many, many people involved in some aspect of the illegal controlled substances trade (buyers and sellers). I have an immediate family member who is a recovering addict and extremely active in Narcotics Anonymous. And I have several friends who have experimented with illegal drugs in high school and college. Here's what I strongly believe:

1. Marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol. I have never met or represented someone who got high on marijuana and became violent. I have never met someone who robbed or stole to feed their marijuana habit. Most people who smoke marijuana laugh, eat, and sleep.

2. Marijuana is far less damaging to the body than alcohol or tobacco. I have never met someone who died from a marijuana overdose (impossible) or from marijuana abuse (though lung cancer is a theoretical side effect, I think it is highly unlikely- no one smokes 2 packs a day of marijuana). I think athletes favor marijuana because you can smoke and wake up the next day and not be hung over. That's not to say driving stoned is ok. But there are very few deaths a year directly attributable to marijuana (I imagine there are a handful of marijuana-related car accidents causing deaths and a handful of cases of lung cancer caused by marijuana.) There are hundreds of thousands of deaths a year attributable to alcohol and tobacco.

3. Marijuana is not physically addictive. There is no withdrawal when you quit using marijuana. I have suffered major headaches and been extremely lethargic when I quit caffeine, but no one who quits using marijuana complains of any physical withdrawal. Lots of people use marijuana then quit because it's no longer worth the risk. Lots of white collar professionals. Trust me.

4. Marijuana is not a gateway drug. People who are willing to break the law to alter their state of consciousness are often willing to try other drugs, but I am confident there is no causal connection linking the use of marijuana to the use of other illegal substances. I know lots and lots of people who have used marijuana and never tried anything else. Good friends, other professionals, family members, etc.

5. None of the above applies to cocaine, crack, heroin, oxycontin, opanas, meth, etc. That stuff will cause you to pimp your daughter, rob your mother, and do many other horrible things to feed that habit. Most my clients who rob and steal do so to feed one of those drug habits. I don't see a lot of people involved in crimes related to LSD or other hallucinogens, so I won't offer an opinion on those drugs.

6. People that think marijuana users are just like other "druggies" are woefully ignorant of reality and do more harm than good. If you're told throughout your childhood that marijuana is just as bad as cocaine, then you try marijuana and realize it's largely harmless, what do you now think about trying cocaine?

7. Alcohol, like marijuana, relaxes people. Drinking a single glass of wine doesn't make someone an alcoholic just like occasionally smoking a joint doesn't make someone a "druggie". If people tell you they drink solely because they like the taste, they're probably lying to you or themselves. They like the way it makes them feel. Flavor is generally just a bonus.

8. Marijuana use by NFL prospects should not be ignored by GMs. If nothing else, it tells you the prospect is willing to jeopardize his future just to smoke marijuana. That means he's guilty of at least poor judgment and, all other things being equal, is at least a bit more of a risk than an identical player who doesn't try marijuana.
I was going to stay out of this but then I happened across this post which contains actual facts. Everyone can have a personal opinion as to the moral issues but a fair amount of what I've seen in this thread is just not supported by scientific or medical evidence.
 
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