Media mocking of the "the deflater" losing weight

[PATSNUTme]

Keep in mind that those texts were in May 2014. McNally was not even working for the Patriots at that time as his part-time duties do not begin until August and end when the last game is played at Gillette.

I thought Wells was looking into what happened in the AFCCG. Those texts do not have any bearing on a game played ion January 2015.

 

[nowayback]

In Brady's appeal this means nothing. The Pats know exactly why he is called the "deflator" . And they are confident to appeal. I bet if he was called Mr "weight loss" Wells would assume he was refering to deflatiing balls. Before game text Mac: going to start losing some weight ....

The guy is f###king deflating and inflating deflating 48 balls all the time, to get them in the shape Brady wants them...why wouldnt he be called the deflator . All this deflating going on and they havent found jack ****e of them texting about it exactly...did anyone ever read a text of jj asking make sure they are at 12.5 or less.
Anyway if anyone is interested i am deflating for a week now, 2 to go

 

[ChesBay]

Regardless of all that, your hypothetical suggests that the entire organization has lied in explaining all of these issues. I don't buy it
Why must you search for a scenario that is close to cheating but not quite? There is nothing to explain, the balls were exactly where science says they should be. If no one deflated them why would there need to be any explanation beyond Brady told the ball boys to set them at 12.5, and the explanation of the texts is what the texters say it is?

Reverse reasoning? Right to left thinking?

The very title of this thread suggests that both the media and the general public are not buying that particular segment of the WellsReportContext.com rebuttal. You are taking the approach that they're innocent...period...which is not going to convince any of those other folks. I'm taking a different tact. You may say "I don't care what others think", but several other posters on this thread have correctly noted that current societal norms place strong importance on public opinion...and the NFL seemingly acts in strong alignment with public sentiment.

Let's just agree that I haven't been able to make my point to you.

 

[Ring 6]

Reverse reasoning? Right to left thinking?

The very title of this thread suggests that both the media and the general public are not buying that particular segment of the WellsReportContext.com rebuttal. You are taking the approach that they're innocent...period...which is not going to convince any of those other folks. I'm taking a different tact. You may say "I don't care what others think", but several other posters on this thread have correctly noted that current societal norms place strong importance on public opinion...and the NFL seemingly acts in strong alignment with public sentiment.

Let's just agree that I haven't been able to make my point to you.

I just dont think you convince anyone the Patriots are innocent by coming up with a theory that says they have been lying.
Yes, I know they are innocent, I guess you don't and feel you must create a ficticious explanation to introduce doubt.
My take is they are innocent and the real truth proves it, and the only way to show guilt is to create ficticious possibilities and you appear to be (don't want to put words in your mouth) saying the facts convict them, so they need to create fiction to win on doubt.

 

[Richard Camembert]

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In Brady's appeal this means nothing. The Pats know exactly why he is called the "deflator" . And they are confident to appeal. I bet if he was called Mr "weight loss" Wells would assume he was refering to deflatiing balls. Before game text Mac: going to start losing some weight ....

The guy is f###king deflating and inflating deflating 48 balls all the time, to get them in the shape Brady wants them...why wouldnt he be called the deflator . All this deflating going on and they havent found jack ****e of them texting about it exactly...did anyone ever read a text of jj asking make sure they are at 12.5 or less.
Anyway if anyone is interested i am deflating for a week now, 2 to go

I totally agree with all of this, even to the point where I'm on my own deflating mission. I found the rebuttal letter persuasive, especially where it showed a lot more of the texts surrounding the crucial comments. I don't see how McNally could deflate 12 balls in under two minutes, though I would have liked to see the rebuttal letter address this. I can easily imagine Brady telling the ball men what PSI he preferred, and then them arranging to present 12.5 PSI balls to the ref. And if McNally was the dude deflating the balls before giving them to the ref, doesn't that make him the deflator? I can't imagine some Delta Force mission being set up every week, especially since it would give extortion power to McNally.

Also, I don't really buy the explanation that the deflator comments were about weight loss, that seems far fetched. But they could just be a better title for McNally than Ball Handler or Ball Softener or Ball Rubber or...you get the picture (snicker).

And to me the ESPN quote alludes to McNally threatening to ***** to ESPN how Lord Brady callously ignores the little people by not giving them ALL signed sneakers.

I'll bill you guys later when my own PSI is reduced sufficiently...

 

[Ring 6]

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I totally agree with all of this, even to the point where I'm on my own deflating mission. I found the rebuttal letter persuasive, especially where it showed a lot more of the texts surrounding the crucial comments. I don't see how McNally could deflate 12 balls in under two minutes, though I would have liked to see the rebuttal letter address this. I can easily imagine Brady telling the ball men what PSI he preferred, and then them arranging to present 12.5 PSI balls to the ref. And if McNally was the dude deflating the balls before giving them to the ref, doesn't that make him the deflator? I can't imagine some Delta Force mission being set up every week, especially since it would give extortion power to McNally.

Also, I don't really buy the explanation that the deflator comments were about weight loss, that seems far fetched. But they could just be a better title for McNally than Ball Handler or Ball Softener or Ball Rubber or...you get the picture (snicker).

And to me the ESPN quote alludes to McNally threatening to ***** to ESPN how Lord Brady callously ignores the little people by not giving them ALL signed sneakers.

I'll bill you guys later when my own PSI is reduced sufficiently...

So you are saying Patriot counsel Dan Goldberg lied in his rebuttal?
If that is the case we are guilty.
Why would he take the story that he is The Deflator because he deflates balls before giving them to the ref into a lie that its about weight loss? That makes no sense. If the Patriots are willing to lie about something like that to make it sound worse then they would definitley be cheaters and liars. I don't buy that they write a report and tell the truth about everything except one piece that they decide to lie in a way that looks stupid.
Its really all or nothing. If they lied about that, you cannot trust any word from any of them.

 

[Ring 6]

By the way those in this thread that are choosing to dismiss The Deflator and Dorito Dinks own explanation of the meaning of those texts are doing exactly what Wells did. In your case you are changing the evidence to support the Patriots innocence with Wells used it to support their guilt.
Every other piece of evidence confirms not guilty.

 

[Richard Camembert]

So you are saying Patriot counsel Dan Goldberg lied in his rebuttal?

Yeah, that's what I said.

You are at times a great poster, and, if you're the real Andy Johnson, props to you, you actually made it far in the league. So it's with respect that I ask: Why do you have to be so pedantic? It really makes me not want to engage with you.

Anyways. I personally don't buy the deflator comment as weight loss banter explanation, especially since Goldberg himself later notes that the word deflator only appears once in all the texts. Therefore these guys don't seem to use the word deflate regularly to banter about weight loss. They do seem to banter about needles and genitals of all kinds and footwear. But the explanation Goldberg offers, which is unsupported by quotes as far as I can see, doesn't have face validity to me.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, that's what I said.

You are at times a great poster, and, if you're the real Andy Johnson, props to you, you actually made it far in the league. So it's with respect that I ask: Why do you have to be so pedantic? It really makes me not want to engage with you.

Anyways. I personally don't buy the deflator comment as weight loss banter explanation, especially since Goldberg himself later notes that the word deflator only appears once in all the texts. Therefore these guys don't seem to use the word deflate regularly to banter about weight loss. They do seem to banter about needles and genitals of all kinds and footwear. But the explanation Goldberg offers, which is unsupported by quotes as far as I can see, doesn't have face validity to me.

Not sure why you are angry that I ask if what your opinion implies is what you believe.
Not being pedantic at all, because if you claim that this didn't happen, and the counsel for the Patriots change the story to make up that lie then you are implying there is a conspiracy. The truth doesn't need to have evidence to back it up unless there is legitimate evidence that calls it into question, which there is not.

Thats fine though, you have stated your point, I mine, and we disagree. There is no reason to snip back and forth.