McDaniels likely to go to niners, Patricia likely to stay

[Love The Drake]

Im not
Hope they take Shan or Cable I want Mcdaniels there til Brady retires:

 

[patfanken]

Its possible, but it would have to be for a 2nd plus something. They aren't giving up the 2nd overall.

No you are right, the 2nd would be too high, even for Jimmy. I'm thinking that if the team is the Niners, then a fairer trade for both would be a 2nd (#34) and 4th this season and a first in 2018, where ideally the pick would come more to the middle of the round. Another possibility that would be possible, especially if you already have your QB, would be to trade the pick down until you get to around 10-15, THEN trade it for JG. So you get get your QB, plus pick up significant draft capital besides.

 

[Ring 6]

No you are right, the 2nd would be too high, even for Jimmy. I'm thinking that if the team is the Niners, then a fairer trade for both would be a 2nd (#34) and 4th this season and a first in 2018, where ideally the pick would come more to the middle of the round. Another possibility that would be possible, especially if you already have your QB, would be to trade the pick down until you get to around 10-15, THEN trade it for JG. So you get get your QB, plus pick up significant draft capital besides.

No, you aren't getting the 2nd which is almost equal to the first we have every year, and nexts years 1.
Their second is almost a first.


I would say from SF its 2nd and a 4th.


I don't understand the last part. If you already have your QB why would you trade down, and then trade for Jimmy?

 

[Ring 6]

No you are right, the 2nd would be too high, even for Jimmy. I'm thinking that if the team is the Niners, then a fairer trade for both would be a 2nd (#34) and 4th this season and a first in 2018, where ideally the pick would come more to the middle of the round. Another possibility that would be possible, especially if you already have your QB, would be to trade the pick down until you get to around 10-15, THEN trade it for JG. So you get get your QB, plus pick up significant draft capital besides.

By the way, I would rather have their 2nd this year and 1st next year than their 1st this year.

 

[Deus Irae]

By the way, I would rather have their 2nd this year and 1st next year than their 1st this year.

If you took the first this year, you should easily be able to convert that to better than a 2/1

 

[The Gr8est]

By the way, I would rather have their 2nd this year and 1st next year than their 1st this year.

Agreed. Josh and Jimmy G are NOT doing anything in the 1st year. SF has too many issues.

SF's #1 next year won't be much worse than their #1 this year.

 

[patfanken]

No, you aren't getting the 2nd which is almost equal to the first we have every year, and nexts years 1.
Their second is almost a first.


I would say from SF its 2nd and a 4th.

Than I wouldn't make the trade, regardless of how "close" it is to a first round pick, it wouldn't be. You'd essentially worked 3 years to train a raw, but talented QB to be a starter in the NFL and all you did was move up about 25 picks in the round you drafted him in the first place....after a 3 year wait. That isn't value at all. Something in the mid first round plus a 4th this year or next would be fair. Anything better than that would be a bonus. But I'd be shocked if they got what you suggest.

I don't understand the last part. If you already have your QB why would you trade down, and then trade for JG

Bad sentence structure on my part. In my fantasy, Josh goes to the Niners under the explicit conditions that they get JG. Then it would work like this. The Niners say the 2nd pick is too high. They tell the Pats they will trade down to add picks. The Pats will give them a range to where it will be acceptable (say, 8-12) If the niners work out the deal then they pull the trigger. IF they can't they go to plan B which involves 2018 picks like I mentioned, or perhaps a player.

Bottom line: a first round pick in the top 15 plus a second day pick is fair value for JG (IMHO) what you suggest is not. Both are just educated guesses. In in just a few month we will get to see what reality turns out to be. Bragging rights will be involved and crow will likely be eaten, and no but us will care.

 

[Ring 6]

If you took the first this year, you should easily be able to convert that to better than a 2/1

Might be, but part of the idea is the first next year, FROM THEM, figures to be very high also.

So its not just a generic 2/1 is 34 and probably top 5.

 

[Ring 6]

Than I wouldn't make the trade, regardless of how "close" it is to a first round pick, it wouldn't be. You'd essentially worked 3 years to train a raw, but talented QB to be a starter in the NFL and all you did was move up about 25 picks in the round you drafted him in the first place....after a 3 year wait. That isn't value at all. Something in the mid first round plus a 4th this year or next would be fair. Anything better than that would be a bonus. But I'd be shocked if they got what you suggest.

But you can't just not trade because you don't like the market, unless you plan to let him play out his contract and get nothing.
I don't see any evidence of trade value being more than your draft value because of 'training'.
I know that I am in the minority but see numerous reasons to put less value on him than your draft evaluation counterbalancing the positives that he briefly showed on the field in 6 quarters.

Bad sentence structure on my part. In my fantasy, Josh goes to the Niners under the explicit conditions that they get JG. Then it would work like this. The Niners say the 2nd pick is too high. They tell the Pats they will trade down to add picks. The Pats will give them a range to where it will be acceptable (say, 8-12) If the niners work out the deal then they pull the trigger. IF they can't they go to plan B which involves 2018 picks like I mentioned, or perhaps a player.

Bottom line: a first round pick in the top 15 plus a second day pick is fair value for JG (IMHO) what you suggest is not. Both are just educated guesses. In in just a few month we will get to see what reality turns out to be. Bragging rights will be involved and crow will likely be eaten, and no but us will care.

Yes, we have no idea, and really no one does, because only the half a dozen or so GMs who might possibly be interested in trading for him, and their evaluation of his worth is what matters. There is no accounting for whether they are right or wrong, smart or stupid. There is no intrinsic value that will be 'proven' but just a few people who decide what they think the value is.

 

[Froob]

Actually it makes a ton of sense.
Why do you hire a coach? For his leadership, but also his football philosophy, and to make coaching decisions decision and utilize the roster.
The reason to have a GM is because the coach has his hands full with coaching and the day to day TASKS of being a GM become not only an overwhelming workload, but also a lot of things that can be delegated.
You want a GM who is going to make decision that support how the coach is coaching the team, or actually just carry out what the coach wants.

This is what BB has done here. He delegates the GM responsibilities but they are done to his standards. He is not the GM, he is the GMs boss.

It actually is the most effective model.

Backwards from the traditional model anyways, usually the GM fires/hires the head coach. Not too many coaches can do what BB does, we'll see..

 

[Ring 6]

Backwards from the traditional model anyways, usually the GM fires/hires the head coach. Not too many coaches can do what BB does, we'll see..

Right, but I'm saying it makes more sense. You don't have to be BB you have to have one philosophy, and it should be the one that the guy who coaches uses.
The GM doesn't have to 'take orders' from the HC, but should make decisions based upon the HCs philosophy and beliefs.
Its working as a team, but starting from the standpoint that the coach is coaching the team and the GM is SUPPORTING the coaches efforts rather than the GM makes all the decisions and the coach figures out to do with what is handed to him. I think most successful franchises already do this, so choosing coach before GM seems like the right way to do it.