McDaniels likely to go to niners, Patricia likely to stay

[Ring 6]

Sure. It's subjective anyways.

Anyways he's young. HC jobs open up every year. He'll get his opportunities. If the Pats do well in the playoffs and win another trophy the demand for Josh will increase.

One thing I didn't realize which supports your argument is that SF has a great cap space situation and great draft capital for the upcoming draft. The only team in a better situation is the Browns.

So maybe you're right.

It's not so much that I like the SF job it's that it's a HC job and they are few and far between with heavy competition.
And if you are qualifying it by I will only take a job in a perfect situation they are even more rare and more competitive.
Vance Joseph came out of nowhere to get a job. Next year there will be others. Only 3 teams considered McDaniels a candidate this year. One chose someone else and another is close to doing the same.

If josh thinks he will always have offers I don't know why he does because he has not been getting any.

 

[Ring 6]

I think he would go to SF, but ONLY if he runs the whole football operation, meaning that the GM/personnel guy works for him. As others have said, a bad/wacky owner issue is fixed with a long-term contract/parachute.

He doesn't have the cache to request total control. At this point he is hoping someone will offfer him a HC job.

 

[ALP]

i think you guys are putting way too much stake into weather or not Josh receives an offer (and prob Matty too)

Josh is experienced enough in this now, that he understands if he interviews and doesn't like the job or wath it sounds like, he tells them before he leaves he is not interested, and thereby will never get an offer bc he got in front of it...

if we hear the Josh has received an offer it probably means he is taking the job

 

[Love The Drake]

Tom cable is interviewing with Niners as well

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

I agree with what others have said. For all that we've been told about Josh needing to be more selective and being cautious with where he goes, I'd say the 49ers would be the riskiest Head Coaching position to take, considering the makeup of the roster and the problems the owner has had with other coaches.

I hope Josh decides to wait another year....please don't go to San Fransisco

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Rams reported to have hired Sean McVay as their new head coach.

 

[RecoveringCowboy]

That destination would probably maximize the chances for a JG trade. No reliable starter there, a team not in our conference, and after ditching two coaches in two years, likely Josh is getting an upfront commitment to a longer term (4-5 year?) plan.

Even a semi-insane owner has to realize it is not a one year process.

If Josh gets JG, a new GM, 4-5 years to work with, that would be an offer that's hard to refuse.

 

[heavyde050]

I agree with what others have said. For all that we've been told about Josh needing to be more selective and being cautious with where he goes, I'd say the 49ers would be the riskiest Head Coaching position to take, considering the makeup of the roster and the problems the owner has had with other coaches.

I hope Josh decides to wait another year....please don't go to San Fransisco

I would much rather him go to San Francisco this year and possibly trade for Jimmy G (which would help the Pats).
If he waits a year, he could end up coaching Andrew Luck and the Colts, which I would hate as a Pats fan. He could also end up in GB with Rodgers, which would also stink.
I really like Josh, but I am a Pats fan first so is wouldn't want him leaving to come back and hurt the Pats.
Obviously my first choice is for him to stay until BB retires, but I doubt that will happen.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Ok so you totally misunderstand everything I said. No point in responding.

I understand what you're saying. My disagreement isn't from lack of comprehension. We just have different views on labour.

You seem to think of the situation from a top-down, old-fashioned management view of employees who are lucky enough to be offered a job and should be grateful for anything they get. The modern employment era is much different, with young, talented people having more involvement and power in the process. And you keep ignoring all of that.

Yes, Josh can only take the jobs he's offered. But if a team interviews him and doesn't offer him the job, that doesn't mean he isn't wanted, like you keep repeating lack of an offer doesn't mean nobody wants him like you keep repeating ad nauseum. There are a lot of layers to negotiation beyond is a job offered or not.

People are not robots who act the same way all the time. Situations matter. Context matters. Look at Sean McDermott. I mean the Panthers D sucked this year (21st in yards, 26th in points), but he still got opportunities from his past body of work. He did well in the interviews, was the leader for the job, but he didn't take it right away. He had a lot of questions about how things would be done, how the chain of command would be. He had the job in hand, all he had to do was say yes. But he didn't take it, wouldn't take it unless he was comfortable with all the other criteria being met. Some like you would think that to be ridiculously risky and he may never get a HC job ever again because they're so rare (even though 6-8 of them will be available next year, and the year after, and the year after, and the year after...), plus he questioned an owner OMG! But these guys are realizing that it's better to pass on a terrible job than take a ****ty one for 2 years. And after Rex got the hook and after Marrone left as quickly as he could, he was right to do so.

Josh wants to be a head coach, but he's not desperate to be a head coach this year. That changes his approach. If his contract were expiring and BB wanted to go in a different direction, Josh would handle the process completely different. If he had never been a HC, I think he would also act differently. But he's got a job he likes, he knows what a bad situation feels like, he isn't going to leave it for a ****ty 2-year gig, and he's acting that way.

Anyways, I know this falls on deaf ears because of your old world view. But as much as you ignore it, it's a part of modern reality.

 

[Ring 6]

I understand what you're saying. My disagreement isn't from lack of comprehension. We just have different views on labour.

You seem to think of the situation from a top-down, old-fashioned management view of employees who are lucky enough to be offered a job and should be grateful for anything they get. The modern employment era is much different, with young, talented people having more involvement and power in the process. And you keep ignoring all of that.

Yes, Josh can only take the jobs he's offered. But if a team interviews him and doesn't offer him the job, that doesn't mean he isn't wanted, like you keep repeating lack of an offer doesn't mean nobody wants him like you keep repeating ad nauseum. There are a lot of layers to negotiation beyond is a job offered or not.

People are not robots who act the same way all the time. Situations matter. Context matters. Look at Sean McDermott. I mean the Panthers D sucked this year (21st in yards, 26th in points), but he still got opportunities from his past body of work. He did well in the interviews, was the leader for the job, but he didn't take it right away. He had a lot of questions about how things would be done, how the chain of command would be. He had the job in hand, all he had to do was say yes. But he didn't take it, wouldn't take it unless he was comfortable with all the other criteria being met. Some like you would think that to be ridiculously risky and he may never get a HC job ever again because they're so rare (even though 6-8 of them will be available next year, and the year after, and the year after, and the year after...), plus he questioned an owner OMG! But these guys are realizing that it's better to pass on a terrible job than take a ****ty one for 2 years. And after Rex got the hook and after Marrone left as quickly as he could, he was right to do so.

Josh wants to be a head coach, but he's not desperate to be a head coach this year. That changes his approach. If his contract were expiring and BB wanted to go in a different direction, Josh would handle the process completely different. If he had never been a HC, I think he would also act differently. But he's got a job he likes, he knows what a bad situation feels like, he isn't going to leave it for a ****ty 2-year gig, and he's acting that way.

Anyways, I know this falls on deaf ears because of your old world view. But as much as you ignore it, it's a part of modern reality.

Can you stop making posts telling me what I think. Because you have it completely and entirely wrong.
Additionally, youbshould stop posting as if you know what josh McDaniels thinks because you don't.

 

[Nehalem]

If Josh gets JG, a new GM, 4-5 years to work with, that would be an offer that's hard to refuse.

Problem being that the last 2 coaches have been fired after 1 year.

If you want to get paid for 4-5 years and only work 1 year then SF is probably an offer that is hard to refuse.

But if you want to be a long term HC probably not. And say McDaniels go therr, doesn't magically turn around the franchise after one year or two years, and gets the axe. What then? He would have been fired from 2 HCing jobs with little success so he probably isn't getting a 3rd chance. And he can't count on running back to be the Patriots OC like last time.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

My only concern is that its been noted many times Tom and Josh act talk and gameplan like they share one mind that is invaluable.
Couldn't Kraft just give Josh and Matf huge pay raises.
I mean who cares
Would the NFL revolt if Josh and Matty were both paid like mid level head coaches.

There is no salary cap for coaching staff, so they could pay their coordinators whatever they want to

I've often thought this, and in my pretend land where I own an NFL franchise, if I had a team like the Pats that is on an historic run with a legacy QB, I would pay my coordinators like mid tier head coaches to keep the team running at absolute peak level of eliteness to maintain continuity

 

[The Gr8est]

When I first read the thread title I thought it said "McDaniels Likely to go to Minors".

Of course, if he takes the SF job that title would be correct too.

 

[Ross12]

I mean, it's a significant franchise. The fan base is huge and the stadium is very nice. The last two coaches got canned after a year, but much of that can be attributed to the idiot GM who is now gone too. York is a dingbat, but a commitment to a longer-term rebuild (and a trade for JG) probably would make McDaniels feel a lot more comfortable. He probably loves the idea of building up one of the NFL's most historically successful franchises. And living in Santa Clara must sound nice, too...

 

[Sfpat]

I'm guessing Josh would like in the Los Gatos area. Much more upscale than Santa Clara

 

[RobertWeathers]

And living in Santa Clara must sound nice, too...

The words Expensive and Traffic do not begin to describe Santa Clara.

 

[Ross12]

The words Expensive and Traffic do not begin to describe Santa Clara.

He can just fly a helicopter to work.

 

[patfanken]

This thread started a few days and over 110 posts ago based on another unsubstantiated report from Bert Breer (what a shock). We've gone over and around the topic for a while, but I'm wondering if there has been a SINGLE further fact concerning Breer's OP, or was he just trolling again.

 

[AzPatsFan]

But it does. He is a coach who wants to be a head coach. Being offered a head coaching job and declining so you can sit around waiting for the coach of the best franchise to retire absolutely is a fear of failure and shows a lack of self confidence or competitive drive.
I say this not because McDaniels has those issues but because those characteristics are the exact reason that people cut out to be head coaches would not do what you suggest.

Feel free to give me a list of all the top head coaches who turned down jobs and stayed as assistants waiting out a retirement by the coach of a great team.

Bellichick for one...

 

[Ross12]

This thread started a few days and over 110 posts ago based on another unsubstantiated report from Bert Breer (what a shock). We've gone over and around the topic for a while, but I'm wondering if there has been a SINGLE further fact concerning Breer's OP, or was he just trolling again.

I hear ya. Wish we could get some confirmation.