McDaniels likely to go to niners, Patricia likely to stay

[Love The Drake]

I was cruising the niner messageboard and they are saying their sports radio is tabbing mcdaniels.

 

[Ring 6]

Bellichick for one...

No. belichick chose one job over another which is a big difference.

 

[Addictive]

San Francisco just isn't that appealing as a HC position. Adam Schefter said the teams with HC role available are all filled now apart from SF and suggested McDaniels and Kyle Shanahan would battle it out. But why would the top two offensive co-ordinators this season want to leave their excellent, talent filled teams to start again with a bare cupboard?

San Francisco is a franchise with a good history but its ownership have always been its achilles. The last few years they've made numerous bad decisions between having a GM with too much ego and power and appointing head coaches which didn't suit the fit of the franchise, not that any of them were given more than one season. The team has such a large talent drain between their stars retiring or playing far worse than before.

I think the Chicago Bears is still the job which would interest McDaniels the most, they have some talent on the roster and they are a big city and big market with a franchise that hasn't been great in decades. I imagine the Bears are going to give Fox one more year to see if he can turn the franchise around and if they don't make the play-offs (and I doubt they will) then I imagine McDaniels will be the ownerships number one choice to take over.

I'm really surprised the Broncos passed on Kyle Shanahan, it seemed like a really good fit. Kyle will have a future as HC soon but he should be judicious and wait for the right opportunity as he can continue building on his reputation as Atlanta is a very strong offence team with good talent to play with.

 

[bbobbo]

I don't think there ever will be a "perfect" offer. But the 49ers are a very bad offer. Their problem stems from the top. There are better offers that he could get, maybe as early as next year, with more competent ownership. York is a boob and his most recent presser highlights that fact. In the end, it's Josh's career but this may be his last shot at a head coaching title and the odds are most definitely stacked against him in San Fran from day one. In the end, it doesn't take a "perfect offer" to beat out San Fran.

Problem being that the last 2 coaches have been fired after 1 year.

If you want to get paid for 4-5 years and only work 1 year then SF is probably an offer that is hard to refuse.

But if you want to be a long term HC probably not. And say McDaniels go therr, doesn't magically turn around the franchise after one year or two years, and gets the axe. What then? He would have been fired from 2 HCing jobs with little success so he probably isn't getting a 3rd chance. And he can't count on running back to be the Patriots OC like last time.

on the other hand, the deck is so stacked against anyone in SF that if josh gets canned after a year because he couldn't turn things around, other GMs/owners might not hold it against him. they would realize that the problem is probably with management/ownership and not the coaching.

it would be much worse for him if he went into a good situation and failed.

not saying josh should take the SF HC job, but i don't think failing in SF would be a death knell to his head coaching career.

 

[Love The Drake]

A poster here said his worst nightmare was Belichick trading Brady to mcdaniels for the 2nd pick

 

[Ring 6]

on the other hand, the deck is so stacked against anyone in SF that if josh gets canned after a year because he couldn't turn things around, other GMs/owners might not hold it against him. they would realize that the problem is probably with management/ownership and not the coaching.

it would be much worse for him if he went into a good situation and failed.

not saying josh should take the SF HC job, but i don't think failing in SF would be a death knell to his head coaching career.

Its debatable how good of a job this is. Going in after a house cleaning is usually one of the best scenarios you can get. I think the SF front office dysfunction is being overblown because York made a stupid comment, that other owners all believe but just wouldn't say publicly.
The franchise was fine building a contender with Baalke and Harbaugh. The problems were Baalke and Harbaugh fight over who had a bigger dlck thinking they deserved all the credit.
Tomsula was a terrible hire, and it was good management to realize that and oust him. Everything I have heard is that Tomsula is a quality guy and was very loyal and they felt he deserved the shot, but it was obvious he was in over his head.
Kelly got one year only because the GM was fired (2 years too late) because after winning the power struggle he led the team into sucking.
The next coach will have more latitude because of that history, and York is on record saying it is a project.

On the other side is the coach who gets offered the job.
It is my belief that someone with the makeup of a good NFL HC seeks challenges rather than shying away from them. They believe that they are the answer, and if they install their system, run it their way and are given time they will win championships. Ego? Maybe, but all the good ones have it. The best HCs believe they can make any franchise successful, as long their hands are not tied.
Additionally these people are very competitive and have an urgency to get control. They work their whole career to be able to be the man in charge, and they are aware that the next offer isn't guaranteed or even likely to come along.

Now maybe Josh McDaniels believes that he is so wanted that he can wait and pick his job. Maybe he believes that he should stay a coordinator until the perfect situation comes up. Maybe he takes HC interviews and tells the team to F-off and really believes that will lead to consideration from other teams.
But I would be very surprised.

Waiting for another job, better than the one offered, is perilous. First the good organizations rarely have openings and when they do, like Denver they often are filled through connections. Second, as much as people want to think every owner would beg Josh McDaniels to be their coach, many are choosing someone else, and when you look at the hires, it seems that what McDaniels has on his resume is not consistent with what gets you hired.

I think SF already knows who they are hiring, and its either Josh or Shanahan, and given the history with his father, I think Shanahan will be the guy. But we will know as soon as one or the other loses.

 

[Bill Lee]

If Josh gets JG, a new GM, 4-5 years to work with, that would be an offer that's hard to refuse.

That's a lot of "if"s to all fall the right way. Another "if" is if he can establish a good working relationship with the owner. Also I have to wonder if BB is just going to go along with the narrative that Josh and JG end up together. I think BB won't play along, and in any case, can string things out for quite a long time.

If he waits a year, he could end up coaching Andrew Luck and the Colts, which I would hate as a Pats fan. He could also end up in GB with Rodgers, which would also stink.

If his agent is any good, he already has some sort of contact with those organizations just to do some "hypotheticals". The fact that Josh did the three interviews suggests he isn't waiting around for IND or GB to become a thing.

This thread started a few days and over 110 posts ago based on another unsubstantiated report from Bert Breer (what a shock). We've gone over and around the topic for a while, but I'm wondering if there has been a SINGLE further fact concerning Breer's OP, or was he just trolling again.

The thread will stay alive till we hear who SF hires as their next coach. The fact that they haven't announced anything at all is quite interesting.

 

[Love The Drake]

Their messageboard says Mcdaniels Shanahan and Tom Cable are the remaining candidates.
That Cable talk is heating up

 

[Ring 6]

The thread will stay alive till we hear who SF hires as their next coach. The fact that they haven't announced anything at all is quite interesting.

Most likely because you cannot hire a coach whos team is still alive in the playoffs. Or second interview them, at least until SB bye week.

 

[Jimke]

Their messageboard says Mcdaniels Shanahan and Tom Cable are the remaining candidates.
That Cable talk is heating up

Much will depend on which team loses first. If the Patriots win and Atlanta loses, Shanahan gets his interview with SF and the opportunity to sign before McDaniels is permitted to sign.

 

[Love The Drake]

Im hoping they get Cable fans will lose it

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

And you have to wonder why Josh McD doesnt harbor the same feelings as Caserio.... ownership in San fran is pretty dysfunctional

 

[Froob]

Do the Niners even have a GM? Why are they interviewing coaches without a GM?

 

[jboston19]

Do the Niners even have a GM? Why are they interviewing coaches without a GM?

I saw somewhere on a 49er board that the next coach will have a huge say in the next GM if he isn't able to pick him outright.

 

[Froob]

I saw somewhere on a 49er board that the next coach will have a huge say in the next GM if he isn't able to pick him outright.

Well that's...Unusual...Total ass backwards.

 

[patfanken]

All this talk got me thinking about the HC's hiring process to begin with. There needs to be some changes. Clearly there seems to be a lot of urgency to hire someone quickly. I don't think the 2-0r 3 week advantage you get in January really makes a difference. I think, rather, the real urgency comes from hiring the coaching staff that comes with the team. It's great STAFFS that make great teams.

So here's what I propose that would make things more equitable. First off, once the regular season ends there should be a hiring freeze on all coaches until the day after the superbowl. At that point the interview process for HC's would beging at the same time for everyone. And of course, as the HC's get hired, the rush for assistants will begin as well, but all at the same time.

Through no fault of their own, when the Niners finally name their HC, about 80 of the top assistants coaches will be off the board already. That is a trememdous competitive disadvantage for that team. all because they chose a HC who has to wait until their team is out of the playoffs. It simply isn't fair. And isn't being fair what the NFL is supposedly all about.

No only is that a much fairer process, it would be infinitely more entertaining. Can you imagine the media speculation that would build for the month or so between the end of the regular season an when the hiring process is allowed to start. So much fun,

Just a thought

 

[patfanken]

BTW- I'm actually warming to a Josh/Niner match because I believe included in it will be a trade for JG. Also the owner instability that occurred the last 3 years there actually works in the new HC's favor and will strengthen his position there, especially if he's OK with the new GM. These screw ups the last 2 years will make it harder to get rid of the new HC and easier for him to get what he wants. There will be a longer honeymoon period

 

[jboston19]

Well that's...Unusual...Total ass backwards.

It's definitely different. Not guaranteeing it's true because I don't even remember the source, but it definitely seems real as there's been a lot of coach chatter out of there but relatively little about the gm.

 

[Ring 6]

Well that's...Unusual...Total ass backwards.

Actually it makes a ton of sense.
Why do you hire a coach? For his leadership, but also his football philosophy, and to make coaching decisions decision and utilize the roster.
The reason to have a GM is because the coach has his hands full with coaching and the day to day TASKS of being a GM become not only an overwhelming workload, but also a lot of things that can be delegated.
You want a GM who is going to make decision that support how the coach is coaching the team, or actually just carry out what the coach wants.

This is what BB has done here. He delegates the GM responsibilities but they are done to his standards. He is not the GM, he is the GMs boss.

It actually is the most effective model.

 

[Ring 6]

BTW- I'm actually warming to a Josh/Niner match because I believe included in it will be a trade for JG

Its possible, but it would have to be for a 2nd plus something. They aren't giving up the 2nd overall.