Matt Patricia likely to take Lions or Giants HC job (UPDATE)

[RobertWeathers]

Based on recent personal experience? I have a couple dozen relatives and friends who live and/or work in the city who'd disagree with that characterization.

7, 8 mile area is rough. I've softened my charaterization of DET in another post.

 

[FortressX]

No need to debate numbers.

I think Rex Ryan is far too "chatty" for BB's taste.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Good post, although I think Steve Belichick is at least a few years away from taking over as DC. It would be Flores.

The only scenario I could possibly see would be if Belichick didn’t name anyone a DC for the next couple of seasons, while slowly grooming Steve for the job in 2020 or something like that. He’d certainly have to spend a lot of time with him though, as Steve was just finally promoted to a positional coach in the last year or two. He’s not ready for that yet, at least in my opinion. I’ve seen many posters suggest him though, so it’s certainly a popular thought.

But... but... how can he groom SB if he’s headed to the Gintz?

 

[maineman209]

7, 8 mile area is rough. I've softened my charaterization of DET in another post.

Admittedly, I haven't been back there since we moved to Maine in 2000, so I don't know first-hand what it's like today. However, my cousin, an internationally-known professor of Urban Design and Management at Wayne State, lived in the Woodward/Seven Mile area from the early-90s until just a couple years ago and never had any problems.

Personally, I spent time as a sales rep in the area bounded by West McNichols ("Six Mile"), Eight Mile, Livernois and John R on at least a monthly basis for a few years and, even though it had a "frightening" reputation (to white suburbanites) back in the 90s, I never had any problems or even sense of foreboding. It was just another urban area.

From personal experience, there were parts of (mostly-white) Dearborn (west of the city along Michigan Avenue) that were far sketchier and that I'd try to avoid after dark.

Of course, my perceptions are probably a bit skewed about urban areas. I was born in NYC and spent my early childhood there. I lived, worked and generally farted around in Detroit and the surrounding area from the late-1950s through 2000. I also spent time in the "bad" parts of Chicago and Miami. I've never had a problem making friends in "low places".

Or ritzy places, either. I probably spent as much time in northern suburb country clubs in places like Franklin, Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills as I did in Detroit proper.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Admittedly, I haven't been back there since we moved to Maine in 2000, so I don't know first-hand what it's like today. However, my cousin, an internationally-known professor of Urban Design and Management at Wayne State, lived in the Woodward/Seven Mile area from the early-90s until just a couple years ago and never had any problems.

Personally, I spent time as a sales rep in the area bounded by West McNichols ("Six Mile"), Eight Mile, Livernois and John R on at least a monthly basis for a few years and, even though it had a "frightening" reputation (to white suburbanites) back in the 90s, I never had any problems or even sense of foreboding. It was just another urban area.

From personal experience, there were parts of (mostly-white) Dearborn (west of the city along Michigan Avenue) that were far sketchier and that I'd try to avoid after dark.

Of course, my perceptions are probably a bit skewed about urban areas. I was born in NYC and spent my early childhood there. I lived, worked and generally farted around in Detroit and the surrounding area from the late-1950s through 2000. I also spent time in the "bad" parts of Chicago and Miami. I've never had a problem making friends in "low places".

Or ritzy places, either. I probably spent as much time in northern suburb country clubs in places like Franklin, Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills as I did in Detroit proper.

I did some consulting work for GM in 07 which is right near the water and I thought it was fine.

I went venturing out once with a local and I took a wrong turn we were in a really ****ty area. He said we in the 7 mile area.

With that said I've seen worse....

 

[GoBlue]

[QUOTE="

I went venturing out once with a local and I took a wrong turn we were in a really ****ty area. He said we in the 7 mile area.
so I don't know first-hand what it's like today.
With that said I've seen worse....[/QUOTE]

I live about 50 miles south of Detroit. Other than the main downtown office area the rest of Detroit looks like a bombed out war zone. The Casino strip is safe as there are many cops and private security running the homeless out..
I feel safe going to and from Lions and Tigers games as long as I'm with the crowd on the streets. But if you want to be a cheap skate and park blocks away, you are asking for trouble.
My grandsons high school football team played at MLK high school 2 years ago in a state playoff on saturday afternoon. Our school was told it was not safe for our fans to park on the streets and there was no school parking. The school rounded up about 20 busess. And we had a police escort out of town.

 

[maineman209]

I did some consulting work for GM in 07 which is right near the water and I thought it was fine.

I went venturing out once with a local and I took a wrong turn we were in a really ****ty area. He said we in the 7 mile area.

With that said I've seen worse....

Within the outlying (non "city-center") areas, the optics can vary significantly from neighborhood-to-neighborhood, and even from block-to-block, within any given one-square-mile section. Generally speaking, the commercial strips on the main drags, with their shoulder-to-shoulder abandoned storefronts, can often look far worse than the residential neighborhoods behind them. So, the impression that a visitor might get from driving up Woodward Ave. or Livernois across Seven Mile may be a bit misleading. There's no denying that the area - and the city overall - is economically depressed. Still, not every crime-drama cliche (or Mathers lyric) associated with such conditions is necessarily true.

Anyway, when those stores and small businesses were all occupied and thriving, they were the glue that held those neighborhoods and communities together, regardless of race. Furthermore, the fact that those storefronts are vacant is actually symbolic of a much larger economic malfunction that has been, and continues to be, addressed with precisely the wrong "solution".

 

[maineman209]

[QUOTE="

I went venturing out once with a local and I took a wrong turn we were in a really ****ty area. He said we in the 7 mile area.
so I don't know first-hand what it's like today.
With that said I've seen worse....

I live about 50 miles south of Detroit. Other than the main downtown office area the rest of Detroit looks like a bombed out war zone. The Casino strip is safe as there are many cops and private security running the homeless out..
I feel safe going to and from Lions and Tigers games as long as I'm with the crowd on the streets. But if you want to be a cheap skate and park blocks away, you are asking for trouble.
My grandsons high school football team played at MLK high school 2 years ago in a state playoff on saturday afternoon. Our school was told it was not safe for our fans to park on the streets and there was no school parking. The school rounded up about 20 busess. And we had a police escort out of town.[/QUOTE]

Sorry that you had that experience.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Admittedly, I haven't been back there since we moved to Maine in 2000, so I don't know first-hand what it's like today. However, my cousin, an internationally-known professor of Urban Design and Management at Wayne State, lived in the Woodward/Seven Mile area from the early-90s until just a couple years ago and never had any problems.

Personally, I spent time as a sales rep in the area bounded by West McNichols ("Six Mile"), Eight Mile, Livernois and John R on at least a monthly basis for a few years and, even though it had a "frightening" reputation (to white suburbanites) back in the 90s, I never had any problems or even sense of foreboding. It was just another urban area.

From personal experience, there were parts of (mostly-white) Dearborn (west of the city along Michigan Avenue) that were far sketchier and that I'd try to avoid after dark.

Of course, my perceptions are probably a bit skewed about urban areas. I was born in NYC and spent my early childhood there. I lived, worked and generally farted around in Detroit and the surrounding area from the late-1950s through 2000. I also spent time in the "bad" parts of Chicago and Miami. I've never had a problem making friends in "low places".

Or ritzy places, either. I probably spent as much time in northern suburb country clubs in places like Franklin, Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills as I did in Detroit proper.

Detroit consistently has among the highest violent crime and murder rates in the country.

 

[jah]

Within the outlying (non "city-center") areas, the optics can vary significantly from neighborhood-to-neighborhood, and even from block-to-block, within any given one-square-mile section. Generally speaking, the commercial strips on the main drags, with their shoulder-to-shoulder abandoned storefronts, can often look far worse than the residential neighborhoods behind them. So, the impression that a visitor might get from driving up Woodward Ave. or Livernois across Seven Mile may be a bit misleading. There's no denying that the area - and the city overall - is economically depressed. Still, not every crime-drama cliche (or Mathers lyric) associated with such conditions is necessarily true.

Anyway, when those stores and small businesses were all occupied and thriving, they were the glue that held those neighborhoods and communities together, regardless of race. Furthermore, the fact that those storefronts are vacant is actually symbolic of a much larger economic malfunction that has been, and continues to be, addressed with precisely the wrong "solution".

Never expected to read a measured and nuanced discussion of urban dynamics on Patsfans. I like it.

 

[jah]

Detroit consistently has among the highest violent crime and murder rates in the country.

I'm not sure anyone has said otherwise.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Always good to see people advance in careers, make more money and be happy.

I really like Matty P. Seems like a genuine, no-bs kinda guy.

I love the fact he dresses like hes in Sons of Anarchy

There are some very nice suburbs around Detroit.

The city itself, its not far off from the original Robocop.

Yeah, so am I. I'd like to see him patrolling the sidelines as a HC and I hope he bucks the trend of unsuccessful BB coordinators turned NFL HC's.

OCP, I guess, hasn't done a good job of cleaning things up.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

I'm not sure anyone has said otherwise.

They have

Detroit's not bad because I knew a guy that lived there and he didn't die etc. Statistics tell the story, not anecdotes.

Eight Mile, Livernois and John R on at least a monthly basis for a few years and, even though it had a "frightening" reputation (to white suburbanites) back in the 90s, I never had any problems or even sense of foreboding. It was just another urban area.

It's not just another urban area, it's one of the most dangerous in the US. Not because white suburbanites don't perceive it correctly, but because the statistics show it. A person can walk through a war zone and "feel" safe, but that doesn't make it so.

 

[maineman209]

Detroit consistently has among the highest violent crime and murder rates in the country.

That's another "aggregate stat", like yards allowed, that doesn't really tell the entire story and doesn't necessarily apply to every "economically-disadvantaged" neighborhood equally.

 

[maineman209]

They have

Detroit's not bad because I knew a guy that lived there and he didn't die etc. Statistics tell the story, not anecdotes.



It's not just another urban area, it's one of the most dangerous in the US. Not because white suburbanites don't perceive it correctly, but because the statistics show it. A person can walk through a war zone and "feel" safe, but that doesn't make it so.

So, you've lived there for a long time, then?

 

[scott99]

The north will always remember Matty P!

Man after my own heart, Mountain Dew AND Red Bull ? That rules ! Love Matty P, gonna miss him, he's a great coach !

 

[A Defiant Goose]

So much for the "he'll never get a job because he's fat, has a beard, and wore the clown shirt" crowd.

First time I've ever heard that one

 

[363839]

What about TB succeeding BB? I think he could make a wonderful HC.

 

[HailHydra]

What about TB succeeding BB? I think he could make a wonderful HC.

Gisele wouldn't let him

 

[patfanken]

First time I've ever heard that one

Florio uses it all the time in his discussions about coaching hires. I've heard it other places too where speculation runs rampent