Mafi - DT Conversion

[One-If-By-Sea]

Look around...

You are a Mayo hater?

 

[pazrul72]

Bench press is a great way to measure upper body strength… which is why the test for it at the combine and a hundred pro days around the nation.

Maybe, but its a horrible way to judge a football players functional strength. Answer this, how often do you see a lineman doing a bench press or any motion remotely like it on a football field? Its just as relevant as a WRs 40 time, as long as you get under 4.8, or 20 reps on the bench, it shows you have enough to get into the league and have done the time prepping. Logan Mankins was one of the nastiest meanest most vicious road grader guards i have ever seen. Did 21 reps on the bench cuz he spent his childhood wrestling steers instead of pumping iron. Hannah was before my time but read every comment about his physique, every last one talks about how MASSIVE his thighs were. Lineman strength is all about the legs and ass, you have to be able to push, anchor, and explode into guys and that is 98% lower body. Long jump means more to me then bench press as its a solid indicator of explosive power. Any idea who Stephen Paea is? Me nither cuz he was a scrub in the NFL but holds the record for NFL combine bench press.

 

[Real fan 02]

You are a Mayo hater?

Look at my photo and you tell me.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He’s a back up, I have no problem with the coaching staff looking at him for a different role if they see the potential for him to develop there.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Maybe, but its a horrible way to judge a football players functional strength. Answer this, how often do you see a lineman doing a bench press or any motion remotely like it on a football field? Its just as relevant as a WRs 40 time, as long as you get under 4.8, or 20 reps on the bench, it shows you have enough to get into the league and have done the time prepping. Logan Mankins was one of the nastiest meanest most vicious road grader guards i have ever seen. Did 21 reps on the bench cuz he spent his childhood wrestling steers instead of pumping iron. Hannah was before my time but read every comment about his physique, every last one talks about how MASSIVE his thighs were. Lineman strength is all about the legs and ass, you have to be able to push, anchor, and explode into guys and that is 98% lower body. Long jump means more to me then bench press as its a solid indicator of explosive power. Any idea who Stephen Paea is? Me nither cuz he was a scrub in the NFL but holds the record for NFL combine bench press.

Agree with this completely. Benching demonstrates a type of strength, but in no way is it a complete reflection of athletic strength. Mankins and Stephen Neal were both great examples of this. Mankins had farm boy strength, where he had worked his whole body doing farm work growing up, and Neal’s leverage was as good as it gets from his wrestling career. They may or may not have benched more or less than other prospects, but their playing strength for their positions was as good as it gets.

 

[Wozzy]

He is considered so promising at OG that we are having a thread about switching to DT.

He is considered so promising at OG that we used a 4th to sign another guard.

If team agrees with you, then Mafi will surely make the team ahead of Leverett. I suspect that they consider Mafi less promising than you do.

A fan forum having a chat about something evidence of nothing except it’s offseason and there’s nothing to talk about.

 

[Wozzy]

Maybe, but its a horrible way to judge a football players functional strength. Answer this, how often do you see a lineman doing a bench press or any motion remotely like it on a football field? Its just as relevant as a WRs 40 time, as long as you get under 4.8, or 20 reps on the bench, it shows you have enough to get into the league and have done the time prepping. Logan Mankins was one of the nastiest meanest most vicious road grader guards i have ever seen. Did 21 reps on the bench cuz he spent his childhood wrestling steers instead of pumping iron. Hannah was before my time but read every comment about his physique, every last one talks about how MASSIVE his thighs were. Lineman strength is all about the legs and ass, you have to be able to push, anchor, and explode into guys and that is 98% lower body. Long jump means more to me then bench press as its a solid indicator of explosive power. Any idea who Stephen Paea is? Me nither cuz he was a scrub in the NFL but holds the record for NFL combine bench press.

Did you just ask how often I see linemen utilizing muscles involved in bench press?

Every single play.

Bench is one of many data points used to evaluate prospects, not the only one. You measurable deniers are funny, you pretend somebody ever said playerX has a fast forty time so his success is assured… nobody said any such thing.

That being said, once a player shows he can play… players like Randy Moss, Barry Sanders or Deion Sanders were ridiculously successful because they were really really fast, explosive, strong and mobile. This was visible in the measurables before the draft.

 

[rkarp1]

He is considered so promising at OG that we are having a thread about switching to DT.

He is considered so promising at OG that we used a 4th to sign another guard.

If team agrees with you, then Mafi will surely make the team ahead of Leverett. I suspect that they consider Mafi less promising than you do.

really comes down to health and coaching. this thread is littered with the names of Neal, Shaq, Onwenu...all players that improved greatly with really good to great coaching. that has been lacking for a while now. if the team has the right coaches for the OL, there is a ton of talent available. may take some time. none of the player talent might be all pro level. but as a unit there is a chance to be very good with health and great coaching

 

[pazrul72]

Did you just ask how often I see linemen utilizing muscles involved in bench press?

Every single play.

Bench is one of many data points used to evaluate prospects, not the only one. You measurable deniers are funny, you pretend somebody ever said playerX has a fast forty time so his success is assured… nobody said any such thing.

That being said, once a player shows he can play… players like Randy Moss, Barry Sanders or Deion Sanders were ridiculously successful because they were really really fast, explosive, strong and mobile. This was visible in the measurables before the draft.

Answer this, how often do you see a lineman doing a bench press or any motion remotely like it on a football field?

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit is it? I didnt say using any muscle involved in a bench press i said doing a bench press or any motion like it because it almost never happens. This isnt a difficult concept, there is a difference between gym strong and actually strong. Barry Sander wasnt fast, go look at the highlights of all his longest runs, caught from behind in almost all of them. What he had was a freakish ability to start and stop with unreal vision. Jerry Rice has a notoriously slow 40 time yet is still the GOAT wr. Measurables arent everything, if they were tyquan thorton would be an all pro and Tom Brady would be an unknown insurance salesman.

 

[vicspats]

Something something defensive players considerably more athletic than OL

Faster yes … but oline harder to play. Shift to the inside as a run stopper could work alla Wilfork

 

[vicspats]

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit is it? I didnt say using any muscle involved in a bench press i said doing a bench press or any motion like it because it almost never happens. This isnt a difficult concept, there is a difference between gym strong and actually strong. Barry Sander wasnt fast, go look at the highlights of all his longest runs, caught from behind in almost all of them. What he had was a freakish ability to start and stop with unreal vision. Jerry Rice has a notoriously slow 40 time yet is still the GOAT wr. Measurables arent everything, if they were tyquan thorton would be an all pro and Tom Brady would be an unknown insurance salesman.

Who’s Tom Brady

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

You are a Mayo hater?

Not really a fan, I don't put it on any sandwich. It's my least favorite condiment.

 

[Wozzy]

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit is it? I didnt say using any muscle involved in a bench press i said doing a bench press or any motion like it because it almost never happens. This isnt a difficult concept, there is a difference between gym strong and actually strong. Barry Sander wasnt fast, go look at the highlights of all his longest runs, caught from behind in almost all of them. What he had was a freakish ability to start and stop with unreal vision. Jerry Rice has a notoriously slow 40 time yet is still the GOAT wr. Measurables arent everything, if they were tyquan thorton would be an all pro and Tom Brady would be an unknown insurance salesman.

Offensive lineman have a punch, that involves upper body strength and lower body strength. There's no downside to strength, and one measurable doesn't define any prospect... like I said earlier, it's one data point. Saying measurables don't matter is absurd... because there's a million guys who didn't make it because they weren't athletic enough.

Barry Sanders was hyper fast, he just ran for a lot of yards. Even Barry got tired, defenders took good angles and some were also hyper fast. In the words of Gil Brandt:

"He got out of the car, got into some sweats, limbered up a little bit and ran a 4.37 in the 40-yard dash! I remember standing next to Wayne Fontes, who was the Lions head coach at the time. The Lions picked third and we (the Cowboys) were picking first, and it was pretty obvious we were taking Troy Aikman. So Fontes whispers to me, “Hey, I don’t care if he works out or not, we’re taking him No. 3.” I joked with him and told him not to be so sure he’d be there, but he didn’t fall for it.” - Gil Brandt on Oklahoma State pro day

Nobody said "measurables are everything," nobody...

But Randy Moss was dangerously athletic and fast, they called him the freak... give me a break.

 

[patman52]

Reps with no pads etc is eh... guess we will have to wait and see how well he does in camp...

For sure. all this minicamp work shows if he has the footwork and can play with his other hand in the dirt. I am still hoping that they sign DJ Humphries, He should be ready by week 8, which is when I expect the transition to Maye will occur.

 

[pazrul72]

Offensive lineman have a punch, that involves upper body strength and lower body strength. There's no downside to strength, and one measurable doesn't define any prospect... like I said earlier, it's one data point. Saying measurables don't matter is absurd... because there's a million guys who didn't make it because they weren't athletic enough.

Barry Sanders was hyper fast, he just ran for a lot of yards. Even Barry got tired, defenders took good angles and some were also hyper fast. In the words of Gil Brandt:

"He got out of the car, got into some sweats, limbered up a little bit and ran a 4.37 in the 40-yard dash! I remember standing next to Wayne Fontes, who was the Lions head coach at the time. The Lions picked third and we (the Cowboys) were picking first, and it was pretty obvious we were taking Troy Aikman. So Fontes whispers to me, “Hey, I don’t care if he works out or not, we’re taking him No. 3.” I joked with him and told him not to be so sure he’d be there, but he didn’t fall for it.” - Gil Brandt on Oklahoma State pro day

Nobody said "measurables are everything," nobody...

But Randy Moss was dangerously athletic and fast, they called him the freak... give me a break.

How exactly did we go from talking about a specific exercise, for a specific group, not being a good indication of strength, to talking about if Randy Moss was fast or athletic? Read my original post I said long jump is more valuable then bench press so at not point did I go down this absurd rabbit hole that measureables don’t matter. I said bench press for lineman, especially long armed tackles, is useless as long as you can do the 20 or so minimum that proves you’ve been to a gym enough to be in the NFL. Bench press tells you precisely squat about a players functional strength, so it’s not a good data point and I could not care less that our drafted rookies didn’t lift.

 

[Zuma]

I don’t care where on the line they play…squats have to be a better way to measure then benching.

 

[Wozzy]

How exactly did we go from talking about a specific exercise, for a specific group, not being a good indication of strength, to talking about if Randy Moss was fast or athletic? Read my original post I said long jump is more valuable then bench press so at not point did I go down this absurd rabbit hole that measureables don’t matter. I said bench press for lineman, especially long armed tackles, is useless as long as you can do the 20 or so minimum that proves you’ve been to a gym enough to be in the NFL. Bench press tells you precisely squat about a players functional strength, so it’s not a good data point and I could not care less that our drafted rookies didn’t lift.

NFL scouts test for it at the combine and pro days because it’s relevant.

They also try to acquire the weight room logs from the colleges for these players. Strength is a good thing, so is speed, so is agility and explosion.

Suggesting positive physical traits (measurables) don’t matter is absurd.

 

[Water Boy]

FWIW,

Barth and Lazar are expecting Mafi to be cut. He's lacking the lateral movement skills to play Guard at the NFL level.

 

[Wozzy]

FWIW,

Barth and Lazar are expecting Mafi to be cut. He's lacking the lateral movement skills to play Guard at the NFL level.

Lazar told us Mohamed Sanu’s agility and ability to create separation was exquisite and on full display in camp after his injury. I pointed out how he looked slower than N’Keal… five minutes later he was cut. Ten minutes later he was out of the league.

Second hand reports by media aren’t reliable, they often make things up or think they have some expertise in “separation” when really they don’t.

Mafi made mental errors last year, I’d slam him for it but when I see vets like David Andrews or Onwenu making mental errors it might be the coach or system that’s flawed. If a seasoned vet is confused, a rookie will be totally lost.

I’ll give Mafi a chance to get right the same way all second and third year offensive players deserve a legitimate chance in a healthy offense. Last year was a sht show, if he worked hard this off-season he’ll be fine… unless he’s just a dunce.

 

[captain stone]

not really.

Whether Sow ia moved to LG is relevant to the decision at RT.

Does anyone truly think that the coaching staff will judge that Wallace is a better RT in 2024 than Onwenu, the man they judged paid all that money for? Really?

IMO, the reporting has been clear, although obviously, time on the field can change the situation. The expectation of the team is that the starting lineup will most likely be

Okrorafor, Mafi/Sow, Andrews, Mafi/Sow, Onwenu, and with Leverett being the emergency veteran backup at guard and center. I

What exactly has Fat Tony done to rate being handed one of the starting OG spots?

Dude sucks. He should've stayed at NT.