Mac Jones Through 2 Games (2021 vs 2022 vs 2023) By QTR and Redzone Totals

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The same guy as what? We haven't been able to fairly judge the guy since his rookie season. He was actually not bad with the midrange balls down the stretch last year.

When has he had time this year? He made a 14 yard pass to Parker on Sunday with three guys on top of him. He had a long pass to Bourne that was perfect that Bourne dropped. He hasn't had the opportunities with a real OC yet.

This is why I am straddling the fence. You could be right. You could be wrong. We don't know because last year was a wasted year in evaluating his development and so far this year has too.

He’s the same player he was before. There is no level up improvement as there rarely is, and in his case this was the book on him by the scouts. He’ll come into the league and he’ll be adequate (good for a rookie) but then he will not be able to take his game to another level because he can’t.

I don’t see much difference in him over the three years. Different coordinators, different receivers, different levels of play on oline, he looks the same week in, week out. He’s an adequate game manager type QB can complete safe passes and some designed downfield plays but is not going to create plays to win games. He’s good at reading defenses and getting the ball out quickly but lacks the improv/risk taking abilities that other QBs have. Can make 90% of the throws but the 10% he can’t make are problematic.

 

[Rob0729]

We have his rookie season and the first 2 games of this year. He's still the same guy. I do agree that we need to see the rest of this season before making any final judgments one way or the other.

He is better in the pocket especially since he rarely has a clean pocket. He has shown more zip on the ball. Against the Dolphins, he has shown he can go off script and make plays. It is hard to evaluate much else considering what he has around him.

 

[amfootball]

He’s the same player he was before. There is no level up improvement as there rarely is, and in his case this was the book on him by the scouts. He’ll come into the league and he’ll be adequate (good for a rookie) but then he will not be able to take his game to another level because he can’t.

I don’t see much difference in him over the three years. Different coordinators, different receivers, different levels of play on oline, he looks the same week in, week out. He’s an adequate game manager type QB can complete safe passes and some designed downfield plays but is not going to create plays to win games. He’s good at reading defenses and getting the ball out quickly but lacks the improv/risk taking abilities that other QBs have. Can make 90% of the throws but the 10% he can’t make are problematic.

Part of the book was also that the great players at Alabama made him. And here we are talking about how we need to get him all these great/elite players for him to succeed.

 

[Rob0729]

He’s the same player he was before. There is no level up improvement as there rarely is, and in his case this was the book on him by the scouts. He’ll come into the league and he’ll be adequate (good for a rookie) but then he will not be able to take his game to another level because he can’t.

I don’t see much difference in him over the three years. Different coordinators, different receivers, different levels of play on oline, he looks the same week in, week out. He’s an adequate game manager type QB can complete safe passes and some designed downfield plays but is not going to create plays to win games. He’s good at reading defenses and getting the ball out quickly but lacks the improv/risk taking abilities that other QBs have. Can make 90% of the throws but the 10% he can’t make are problematic.

He showed on Sunday that he can go off script and make plays on his own. See the Henry TD and the JuJu reception on the one yard line. And he almost had another with Gesicki.

And as for the 10%, he cannot make them with subpar talent. Neither can Tua, Hurts, Purdy, Cousins, and most of the QBs in this league. He's not Brady. People seem to judge him on the Brady scale and not the scale of most QB in this league.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He is better in the pocket especially since he rarely has a clean pocket. He has shown more zip on the ball. Against the Dolphins, he has shown he can go off script and make plays. It is hard to evaluate much else considering what he has around him.

That’s all subjective. I din’t see any more zip on the ball and the 68.8 / 5.4 split suggests otherwise. He scrambled out of the pocket near his own endzone and chucked an incompletion downfield and then found Henry on a fairly basic (illegal) play as he was going towards the sideline. I don’t see a couple of out of pocket passes as a string indicator that he’s added some new dimension to his game.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Part of the book was also that the great players at Alabama made him. And here we are talking about how we need to get him all these great/elite players for him to succeed.

Yes, good luck building a level of Alabama (NCAA powerhouse) dominance in the NFL.

 

[Rob0729]

That’s all subjective. I din’t see any more zip on the ball and the 68.8 / 5.4 split suggests otherwise. He scrambled out if the pocket near his own endzone and chucked an incompletion downfield and then found Henry on a fairly basic (illegal) play as he wa ls going towards the sideline. I don’t see a couple of out of pocket passes as a string indicator that he’s added some new dimension to his game.

It used to be Mac can't make plays out of the pocket and go off script. Now the plays he makes out of the pocket and off script don't count.

 

[Rob0729]

Yes, good luck building a level of Alabama (NCAA powerhouse) dominance in the NFL.

Tua seems to have that.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It used to be Mac can't make plays out of the pocket and go off script. Now the plays he makes out of the pocket and off script don't count.

Every QB in the NFL makes plays on the run and outside the pocket. I don’t remember ever criticizing him for that. He has made plenty of throws outside the pocket.

 

[Vindicate]

That’s all subjective. I din’t see any more zip on the ball and the 68.8 / 5.4 split suggests otherwise. He scrambled out of the pocket near his own endzone and chucked an incompletion downfield and then found Henry on a fairly basic (illegal) play as he was going towards the sideline. I don’t see a couple of out of pocket passes as a string indicator that he’s added some new dimension to his game.

When I brought this up on another thread (the plays he made while on the run), someone chimed in saying that was one of his reported strengths coming out of college. I've not checked to confirm that detail, but just food for thought.

 

[Rob0729]

When I brought this up on another thread (the plays he made while on the run), someone chimed in saying that was one of his reported strengths coming out of college. I've not checked to confirm that detail, but just food for thought.

Mac had a reputation for good pocket manipulation in college, but it was more like how Brady did it by stepping up and moving from side to side than like Mahomes does it by scrambling around and making the off balanced throws. At least that is how I understood it at the time he was drafted. Could be wrong.

 

[amfootball]

Mac had a reputation for good pocket manipulation in college, but it was more like how Brady did it by stepping up and moving from side to side than like Mahomes does it by scrambling around and making the off balanced throws. At least that is how I understood it at the time he was drafted. Could be wrong.

I do think his throws on the run are better.

 

[Rob0729]

I do think his throws on the run are better.

He avoids the rush by getting outside the pocket exponentially better. He showed Sunday he can go off script outside the pocket.

 

[FCB02062]

Mac Jones is adequate if you want to be around .500 and sniff around a wildcard and maybe get lucky and win a first round game. But as this team is currently constituted Mac Jones is never going to get a Super Bowl unless there is a complete 180 by the Head Coach and GM of the NEP. The HC of NEP does not value skill players and wants to win 20-17 with 2 field goals, a blocked punt return for a TD and a one yard rushing TD.
Mac Jones is handcuffed by the law firm of Bourne, Schuster, and Parker. They are the ambulance chasers of NFL receivers. It's not their fault that the GM of the NEP put them in their current position.
Put Mac Jones on Miami, he wins 10 games, put Mac Jones on Buffalo, he wins 10 games, put Mac Jones on the Jets, he wins 10 games. All of those teams have better weapons on offense than Mac Jones.

 

[Rob0729]

Mac Jones is adequate if you want to be around .500 and sniff around a wildcard and maybe get lucky and win a first round game. But as this team is currently constituted Mac Jones is never going to get a Super Bowl unless there is a complete 180 by the Head Coach and GM of the NEP. The HC of NEP does not value skill players and wants to win 20-17 with 2 field goals, a blocked punt return for a TD and a one yard rushing TD.
Mac Jones is handcuffed by the law firm of Bourne, Schuster, and Parker. They are the ambulance chasers of NFL receivers. It's not their fault that the GM of the NEP put them in their current position.
Put Mac Jones on Miami, he wins 10 games, put Mac Jones on Buffalo, he wins 10 games, put Mac Jones on the Jets, he wins 10 games. All of those teams have better weapons on offense than Mac Jones.

That is the problem. Unless Belichick accepts that the NFL has changed and you either need an elite QB or elite receiver talent or close to be a top team these days or he gets lucky and gets another elite QB or someone like Douglas turns into an elite WR, odds are the Pats will be a middle of the road team or worse until Belichick retires. The paradigm has really shifted to talent heavy rosters since there are so many great receivers now in the league.

And let's face it. Belichick isn't making genius moves anymore. He benched Douglas on Sunday to prove a point when the Patriots are not good enough to bench what looks to be a productive WR. But he was outcoached by McDaniel too.

I still fear that we could become the Jets or the Bills the 25 years in between Kelly and Allen or the Dolphins since Marino. Those teams just went through QB after QB after QB sometimes times wasting high first round picks to do it. So either the Pats adapt to today's NFL or we just keep interchanging QBs until we find an elite one and hope it doesn't take decades to do so.

 

[Tunescribe]

It's a good point. I think Mac's arm is more nuanced. At times, he throws the ball with some zip and then other times, it looks like it is coming in slow motion. I think most of it is mechanics. He can be really sloppy with his foot work to get his body in the right position and this leads to more "arm" throws and those are not good. I really watched him on the pick down the right sideline and he just didn't step into the ball, he actually throws it off his back foot. There was no pressure, he could have stepped into the throw but he threw off balance making it an easy play for the DB.

I agree, it was a poor decision but that does not excuse the terrible mechanics. That is where he is so inconsistent. He just can't see to make the routine throws especially into coverage consistently.

You need to learn more about quarterback play in general and what "mechanics" means, good and bad. Sometimes throwing off the back foot is OK depending on play design/timing. Sometimes it's bad. If you want to see the poster boy for terrible mechanics -- sloppy footwork, throwing "all wrong" off his back foot, etc. -- look no further than Aaron Rodgers.

In general terms Mac's throwing mechanics are excellent, enabling quick release and accuracy. You're just trying way too hard to find fault and considering your posting history it's clear why. Give it a rest.

 

[RIpats88]

does anyone truly believe we are losing these games because of mac jones and if we just put in another QB we would be fine? and winning these games? or is it the same 5 posters spouting the same arguments because they are part of the "never-mac" crowd.

I thought the common consensus during the offseason was Bill ignored the receiver and OL positions and with a tough schedule this wouldn't be easy. that we could conceivably be better than last year but have a losing record. which so far nothing has changed.

I did used to think we would be a good running team so that would help the offense. but unfortunately we cannot run. so not sure what fans are complaining about.

Mac and BOB don't have much to work with and yet are top 10 in yards, tds, completion percentage and redzone percentage. so there are markedly improvements.

 

[Tunescribe]

does anyone truly believe we are losing these games because of mac jones and if we just put in another QB we would be fine? and winning these games? or is it the same 5 posters spouting the same arguments because they are part of the "never-mac" crowd.

I thought the common consensus during the offseason was Bill ignored the receiver and OL positions and with a tough schedule this wouldn't be easy. that we could conceivably be better than last year but have a losing record. which so far nothing has changed.

I did used to think we would be a good running team so that would help the offense. but unfortunately we cannot run. so not sure what fans are complaining about.

Mac and BOB don't have much to work with and yet are top 10 in yards, tds, completion percentage and redzone percentage. so there are markedly improvements.

There's the "never-Mac" crowd and the "never-a-successful-QB-under-BB-post-Brady" crowd. Both need to get a freaking life.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Wasn't Brady criticized by other teams' fans and mediots for being a game manager, dink and dunker and anyone could do it, it was the system? Now Mac's doing it and he's criticized by his fan base.

 

[Tunescribe]

Wasn't Brady criticized by other teams' fans and mediots for being a game manager, dink and dunker and anyone could do it, it was the system? Now Mac's doing it and he's criticized by his fan base.

We have a lot of spoiled, impatient "fans" here with no memory or knowledge of the pre-Brady Patriots and little understanding of quarterback play or intradependent team performance. The fact Tom Brady was a unicorn eludes them. The team isn't winning "so it must be Mac's fault."