Mac: "I want to be coached harder"

[Rob0729]

You have to read why Lazar says the play was to HH. He's instantly open. Maybe Mac thought he had more time to fake look to the right instead of going straight to his intended 1st read. Who knows, but even Lazar admits the play was blown by the line.

He isn't immediately open though. Watch the video. The LB who was supposed to cover him does initially cover him for a beat and then peels off right when Henry breaks because he must have believed the play was going to the right. That was about the 1:09 second mark. But by that point Strange was already backed up in the passing lane and there was already a free rusher.

 

[Ian]

He isn't immediately open though. Watch the video. The LB who was supposed to cover him does initially cover him for a beat and then peels off right when Henry breaks because he must have believed the play was going to the right. That was about the 1:09 second mark. But by that point Strange was already backed up in the passing lane and there was already a free rusher.

Mac looks right at Henry here:

 

[Rob0729]

Tough to say. You can see Mac on the overhead look left, and you can see him a little more clearly from the end zone view look left then turn his head to the right before they get to him. Obviously, it happens faster than it looks.

Watch Tremaine Edmonds (49) on that play. He initially covers Henry and then peels off. If Jones does look left briefly, he might have seen Henry covered.

 

[Ian]

Then he looks right:

 

[Ian]

Then he sees the rusher:

 

[Rob0729]

Mac looks right at Henry here:

And Edmonds is covering him. Not tight coverage in fact off coverage, but he is running towards Henry at this second and if he didn't peel off coverage would have had coverage on him by the time the ball got there.

Plus Henry isn't looking back for the ball. At that range, he would need to be looking back to catch it. He is only a yard or two beyond the line of scrimmage.

We can over analyze this play, but it is a stretch to put more than a nominal amount of blame on Jones. This was clearly mostly the o-line's fault.

 

[Ian]

And...then he goes down:

 

[PatsFan2]

Then he looks right:

Nice HH's defender would have been held based on Mac's eyes the little things.

 

[Ian]

And Edmonds is covering him. Not tight coverage, but he is running towards Henry at this second and if he didn't peel off coverage would have had coverage on him by the time the ball got there.

Plus Henry isn't looking back for the ball. At that range, he would need to be looking back to catch it. He is only a yard or two beyond the line of scrimmage.

We can over analyze this play, but it is a stretch to put more than a nominal amount of blame on Jones. This was clearly mostly the o-line's fault.

It's easy to look at the stills, but when you couple in the actual time to give some perspective, there definitely wasn't much to work with. Happened extremely quickly.

 

[Triumph]

That's not going to happen. He is what he is. He's got a very limited ceiling and there was a reason Shanahan got cold feet and gave Trey Lance a second look. Need to get better talent around him like Tua and see what happens. Regardless of who the QB is, isn't that the goal anyways?

Tyreek Hill is scheduled to earn 26 million in new money next season. 16 million just in salary.

The Patriots will never go hog wild and spend for a WR like that while BB is here. Im in the camp where you get a QB who can make others around him winners.

 

[PatsFan2]

And Edmonds is covering him. Not tight coverage in fact off coverage, but he is running towards Henry at this second and if he didn't peel off coverage would have had coverage on him by the time the ball got there.

Plus Henry isn't looking back for the ball. At that range, he would need to be looking back to catch it. He is only a yard or two beyond the line of scrimmage.

We can over analyze this play, but it is a stretch to put more than a nominal amount of blame on Jones. This was clearly mostly the o-line's fault.

Isn't he Mac's neighbor??

 

[Ian]

Isn't he Mac's neighbor??

Yes he is, and they supposedly spend a lot of time together. So it's not like he wouldn't have happily thrown him the ball if he had the time to do so.

 

[Triumph]

Mayfield's problems are because he is an entitled turd who refused to work to get better and had a horrible attitude combined with the fact he was destroyed by Browns and their substandard revolving coaching staff. To compare him with Jones other than the latter part is bunk.

Again, I provided proof he throws with anticipation. Back up your claim with video or something else showing he didn't throw with anticipation last year.

Yeah, but college stats and all.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Im in the camp where you get a QB who can make others around him winners.

There's like 3-4 of those guys on the planet.

 

[Triumph]

That's not going to happen. He is what he is. He's got a very limited ceiling and there was a reason Shanahan got cold feet and gave Trey Lance a second look. Need to get better talent around him like Tua and see what happens. Regardless of who the QB is, isn't that the goal anyways?

Then we play the dink and dunk game and let Jones throw deep like wants.

NE WRs, TEs and RBs are open by NFL standards. Single covered with a step or two on the defender is open. So, throw it and hope for the best. Otherwise, defenses will continue to stuff the NE run and goad Jones into beating them with his arm.

 

[Ian]

LOL, just want to point out that we're barely just over a second into the play and ... well:



Not ideal.

 

[PatsFan2]

LOL, just want to point out that we're barely just over a second into the play and ... well:



Not ideal.

Patriots OL-Men on the ground looks like Nintendo's Ten Yard Fight many moons ago.

 

[Rob0729]

Yeah, but college stats and all.

Talking about Jones being an anticipatory QB in college has nothing to do with stats.

 

[Rob0729]

BTW @venecol, I went to the YouTube page where Warner posted this video. This is literally the very first line of the description he wrote about this video:

The Patriots' offensive concepts are forcing Mac to overthink things and make bad decisions with the ball. Things he didn’t do nearly as much last year.

In the write up, he does talk about how the concepts that the Patriots run are not necessarily bad, but he talks more about how repetitive they plays are and the plays are not developing fast enough for Jones. Basically, it is the same thing he said to Mike Reiss.

I am not the only one that teaches this. There are many ways to teach. I ran all of these concepts. It was always really important to me because as a quarterback, I want to get my eyes into the right spot and create the spacing, attack a certain way and I can get the ball out quickly to my playmakers. That, to me, is where Mac Jones has struggled this year. Things haven’t happened quick enough for him. It forces him to overthink things and make bad decisions with the ball that he didn’t do nearly as much last year. There’s a whole bunch of stuff that is coming together. They still completed a lot of passes and had the yards but you see all the stuff that could’ve been. All the opportunities that were missed because the details weren’t very good on those concepts. That to me is what I’ve been seeing with the Patriots all year long. 2 weeks ago, Mac went about 23/27 and they scored 3 points. Why? Lack of efficiency. We need to score points! All the plays need to translate into big plays. Details, reading it right as a quarterback, getting the ball to the right guy and making good decisions. That's where this team has been up and more down this year and why they have struggled to score week in and week out.

I don't need to watch the video to know you either saw what he was saying through your biases or you are purposely misrepresenting what he wrote.

 

[venecol]

You need to watch the video dude. If you want to make comments on a video you refuse to watch, it's just lazy. It's a good video.

The very first play he says: "Mac Jones eyes are over here for some reason, no idea why. QBs get your eyes out in front of the routes." Mac completes the play but Warner says he needs to complete it to the underneath guy because the safety he was supposed to read covered the deeper route. This goes on throughout the video, where he points out things Mac needs to work on. And yes, he also talks about the play designs, specifically pointing out what he calls "the details" of how to create better separation for the receivers.

But you won't watch the video so there's that.