Lombardi: The Jets want Brandon Marshall

[FoxboroFlyer]

I also wanted to point out that the Pats would be making the right move by staying put and rely on better drafting. Listen, we wouldn't be sitting here freaking out over the prospect of Marshall with the Jets had the Pats drafted better the last few years. Drafts from '06 and '08 have really kicked them in the balls. They had the right idea, just chose the wrong players.

I agree it would be nice to be able to rely on better drafting, but your past is the best predictor of the future. Who's to say we can just simply turn it around and start selecting the right players when we haven't in the past?

Particularly at the skill positions.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

I agree it would be nice to be able to rely on better drafting, but your past is the best predictor of the future. Who's to say we can just simply turn it around and start selecting the right players when we haven't in the past?

Particularly at the skill positions.

Your absolutely right but you can't stop drafting just because you failed the last few years.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

Nope. It specifically means players who are unrestricted free agents. They can trade for anyone, and sign any player who is released.

Don't ask me. I think it is stupid as hell, but that is what the guidelines are.

I'm still trying to figure out why players who are released are not considered "free agents" under these guidelines.

This is correct. The Jets can trade for a RFA. If it weren't possible, why would a former personnel guy like Lombardi be talking about it? I'm pretty sure he understands the rules pretty well.

Daily News - Final 8 Rule

By rule, the Jets can't sign an unrestricted free agent until they lose one. If they sign a player, the first-year pay (base salary plus pro-rated signing bonus) can't exceed that of the player they lose.

Instead the Jets will rely on trades and the restricted market. They also can sign players who get released. GM Mike Tannenbaum, known for his aggressiveness, probably will get antsy. League sources believe he still will find a way to make a splash.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

Your absolutely right but you can't stop drafting just because you failed the last few years.

True, but Brady isn't going to be around forever, and I want to see this team win as many SB's as possible in those years. To me that means bringing in established difference makers at least at the WR position. Even if you have to shell out a little extra cash, and a draft pick.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

This is correct. The Jets can trade for a RFA. If it weren't possible, why would a former personnel guy like Lombardi be talking about it? I'm pretty sure he understands the rules pretty well.

Daily News - Final 8 Rule

Thanks for the link. I don't think anyone believed me.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Not sure, but in case you haven't noticed they are probably considered the favorites to win it this year.........And if they land Brandon Marshall, they are the odds on favorite.........

In case you hadn't noticed the Jets aren't even a playoff team if the Colts don't lie down and hand it to them.
Now because they trade for Daddy Of The Year In Several States Cromartie they're the favs to win the division??
Or maybe LT and his great history of leadership and performing big in the playoffs is going to put them over the top??
I love it!!!
I hope ever mediot in the nation picks the Jets not only to win the division but to go to the Super Bowl.
Let the Jets and Sanchez play with the weight of big expectations on their shoulders and we'll see how they do.
The Patriots had an off-year and still won the division.
Messrs Brady and Belichick will not have 2 off-years in a row.

 

[thechris]

Jets are already looking good on paper. If they add Brandon Marshall, they might be the AFC favorites.

Ugh.

 

[Big Bucks]

There has been only five WRs in the history of the game with 100 catches three seasons running.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

True, but Brady isn't going to be around forever, and I want to see this team win as many SB's as possible in those years. To me that means bringing in established difference makers at least at the WR position. Even if you have to shell out a little extra cash, and a draft pick.

I definitely won't argue with you because I feel the same way. I said before the '09 draft that the Pats needed to find immediate impact players or they won't win the super bowl. After 4 picks in the second round, clearly none emerged as any impact on the roster. Vollmer and Butler should be those guys next season, but I doubt it will actually happen. This is why I was so disappointed with the '09 draft. Not only did they have 4 picks, but they were pretty high-quality picks and they couldn't find one player to make a significant impact. This is what a lot of people on this board fail to realize and overrated their '09 draft. I've said it before and I'll say it again, their '09 draft was horrible given where they picked and how many they picked.

 

[VJCPatriot]

IMHO

Fitz
Desean Jackson r the 2 best WR's in the NFL PERIOD.

Scary good players and I am jealous.

Well let's see, Fitzgerald had the benefit of Boldin and Breaston across from him to take off the pressure. Moss still outproduced him in 2009 although Welker was the ONLY other legitimate threat.

Now in 2010 Fitzgerald won't have Boldin anymore and the Cards are hoping Breaston can step up. I'd look for teams to double Fitzgerald more, the same way Moss was blanketed with no threat opposite him, and even double/tripled once Welker was out because face it Aiken, etc. are scrubs and although Edelman is a nice player, he won't hurt you near as much as Moss can if left alone.

You don't build a team based on 'being jealous', you build it from the inside out and upgrade where you can and where you need to. The Pats don't need a 7M+ dollar per year super talented headcase receiver opposite Moss to make this offense better. They DO need a receiver who can get open, stretch the D a bit, and be enough of a threat to relieve some of the double teams from Moss.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

I definitely won't argue with you because I feel the same way. I said before the '09 draft that the Pats needed to find immediate impact players or they won't win the super bowl. After 4 picks in the second round, clearly none emerged as any impact on the roster. Vollmer and Butler should be those guys next season, but I doubt it will actually happen. This is why I was so disappointed with the '09 draft. Not only did they have 4 picks, but they were pretty high-quality picks and they couldn't find one player to make a significant impact. This is what a lot of people on this board fail to realize and overrated their '09 draft. I've said it before and I'll say it again, their '09 draft was horrible given where they picked and how many they picked.

Yeah, I agree. It's actually gotten to the point where I can barely stand to watch the draft, for fear of my TV going through the window. Although I do have faith in Vollmer, Butler, and Chung to a certain degree, but you're right every year it appears as if the Pats are reaching for a few guys, and leaving other talent on the board. This is the exact reason why I say throw caution to the wind, and trade for Marshall.

 

[DaBruinz]

It always amazes me when people blind themselves to the long term goals and think that the Short Term is all that matters..

Tell me something, after the 49ers won their 3 SBs in the 80s, how long did it take them to with their next one??? 5 years.. And that was with dealing with the transition into the salary cap...

You people seem to think it's all about the front office and it's not. The players ALSO have a say in it. Both on and off the field.

To sustain excellence and give this team the possibility of winning every year, the Pats HAVE to look at the long term and short term BOTH.

If the Pats did what you wanted and went for it all, but had nothing to rebuild with, you all would be whining and crying about the Pats not thinking for the long term and you'd be the first ones to call for BB's head if they had 2 losing seasons because of the lack of influx of talent due to having traded it away...

 

[NEBG]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Revis or Harris will do. Make the trade today Broncos.

Yeah, I'm sure Revis heads up any trade package...LMAO...educated fan.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

It always amazes me when people blind themselves to the long term goals and think that the Short Term is all that matters..

Tell me something, after the 49ers won their 3 SBs in the 80s, how long did it take them to with their next one??? 5 years.. And that was with dealing with the transition into the salary cap...

You people seem to think it's all about the front office and it's not. The players ALSO have a say in it. Both on and off the field.

To sustain excellence and give this team the possibility of winning every year, the Pats HAVE to look at the long term and short term BOTH.

If the Pats did what you wanted and went for it all, but had nothing to rebuild with, you all would be whining and crying about the Pats not thinking for the long term and you'd be the first ones to call for BB's head if they had 2 losing seasons because of the lack of influx of talent due to having traded it away...

Have you read any of these posts?

I'm talking about trading away 1 draft pick for 1 player, not all our picks. On top of that the player we're getting back is only 26 years old. In addition to the fact that after this year we have no #1 WR. Then what?

I suppose we'll just go out and draft a replacement for Moss, and expect him to magically be a true #1 in his rookie year. Don't think so.

So, if you want to talk about thinking for the long term I'd say a TRUE playmaker at the WR position, had best be at the top of the list.

 

[Big Bucks]

Well let's see, Fitzgerald had the benefit of Boldin and Breaston across from him to take off the pressure. Moss still outproduced him in 2009 although Welker was the ONLY other legitimate threat.

Now in 2010 Fitzgerald won't have Boldin anymore and the Cards are hoping Breaston can step up. I'd look for teams to double Fitzgerald more, the same way Moss was blanketed with no threat opposite him, and even double/tripled once Welker was out because face it Aiken, etc. are scrubs and although Edelman is a nice player, he won't hurt you near as much as Moss can if left alone.

You don't build a team based on 'being jealous', you build it from the inside out and upgrade where you can and where you need to. The Pats don't need a 7M+ dollar per year super talented headcase receiver opposite Moss to make this offense better. They DO need a receiver who can get open, stretch the D a bit, and be enough of a threat to relieve some of the double teams from Moss.

Look what Marshalll had opposite him?! Thats the sort of player he is.

BTW I'd give them Moss and a second for Marshall.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

In case you hadn't noticed the Jets aren't even a playoff team if the Colts don't lie down and hand it to them.
Now because they trade for Daddy Of The Year In Several States Cromartie they're the favs to win the division??
Or maybe LT and his great history of leadership and performing big in the playoffs is going to put them over the top??
I love it!!!
I hope ever mediot in the nation picks the Jets not only to win the division but to go to the Super Bowl.
Let the Jets and Sanchez play with the weight of big expectations on their shoulders and we'll see how they do.
The Patriots had an off-year and still won the division.
Messrs Brady and Belichick will not have 2 off-years in a row.

You're right, the Jets are no threat to the Pats at all. They stink! What a joke!

Some of you think they are going to be second rate forever. News flash, they are closing the gap.

 

[The_Riddler]

Have you read any of these posts?

I'm talking about trading away 1 draft pick for 1 player, not all our picks. On top of that the player we're getting back is only 26 years old. In addition to the fact that after this year we have no #1 WR. Then what?

I suppose we'll just go out and draft a replacement for Moss, and expect him to magically be a true #1 in his rookie year. Don't think so.

So, if you want to talk about thinking for the long term I'd say a TRUE playmaker at the WR position, had best be at the top of the list.

I am patting your back my friend...........BINGO !

 

[DaBruinz]

Have you read any of these posts?

I'm talking about trading away 1 draft pick for player, not the all our picks. On top of that the player we're getting back is only 26 years old. In addition to the fact that after this year we have no #1 WR. Then what?

I suppose we'll just go out and draft a replacement for Moss, and expect him to magically be a true #1 in his rookie year. Don't think so.

So, if you want to talk about thinking for the long term I'd say a TRUE playmaker at the WR position, had best be at the top of your list.

Nothing like getting your panties in a wad because you don't fully understand what you are reading.

Tell me something. Did you just start following the Patriots or something?

From 2001 though 2006, the Pats did not have a true #1 receiver. They made do with 2 - 4 #2/#3 type receivers. Yes, the Pats were all great in 2007 when they were an interception away from perfection, but the REALITY is that you don't need to have a #1 like Randy Moss or a Larry Fitzgerald.

The Pats need to have 3 quality receivers, not including someone out of the backfield. That's all. It would be nice to have 4-6 quality receivers (WRs/TEs), but the reality is that many teams don't have that..

Adding Brandon Marshall would be a luxury. And that is only if he keeps his head on straight. The Patriots Locker room doesn't have a lot of veteran presence right now. Not to mention there is whether he can earn Brady's trust by running the routes the way Brady wants. And there is the question of whether or not he can take BB's Coaching. What you are suggesting is a HIGH RISK/HIGH REWARD scenario. When was the last time BB did that?

 

[DaBruinz]

This is correct. The Jets can trade for a RFA. If it weren't possible, why would a former personnel guy like Lombardi be talking about it? I'm pretty sure he understands the rules pretty well.

Daily News - Final 8 Rule

According to the rule of 8, the Jets cannot trade for a player they wouldn't be able to sign normally via free agency. My understanding is that the only way they'd be able to trade for Marshall is if they first lost a player of similar value..



As for Lombardi talking about it, umm.. maybe because he's been out of the loop for awhile and this wasn't in previous CBAs..

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

Nothing like getting your panties in a wad because you don't fully understand what you are reading.

Tell me something. Did you just start following the Patriots or something?

From 2001 though 2006, the Pats did not have a true #1 receiver. They made do with 2 - 4 #2/#3 type receivers. Yes, the Pats were all great in 2007 when they were an interception away from perfection, but the REALITY is that you don't need to have a #1 like Randy Moss or a Larry Fitzgerald.

The Pats need to have 3 quality receivers, not including someone out of the backfield. That's all. It would be nice to have 4-6 quality receivers (WRs/TEs), but the reality is that many teams don't have that..

Adding Brandon Marshall would be a luxury. And that is only if he keeps his head on straight. The Patriots Locker room doesn't have a lot of veteran presence right now. Not to mention there is whether he can earn Brady's trust by running the routes the way Brady wants. And there is the question of whether or not he can take BB's Coaching. What you are suggesting is a HIGH RISK/HIGH REWARD scenario. When was the last time BB did that?

Yeah, I just started following the patriots because I figured it would be so much fun to watch all these horrid drafts, and wasted picks.

I'm not trying to be a ****, but I'm getting a little sick of all the condescending posts by some of these supposed "pats fans".

This is no longer 2001-2006, and defenses have caught up. If you think fielding second rate WR's is going to cut it I think you're wrong. Moss was a risk when they brought him in. That appears to have worked out ok. When he leaves at the end of the year there is no one to take his place. I know it's a year removed, but I feel at the WR position it takes a good year to build rapport with your QB. IMO Marshall would be the guy that solves that issue.