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Lombardi: The Jets want Brandon Marshall

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Why are we even talking about the Jets acquiring Marshall when they haven't lost anyone of any significant value..

Because even though they can't sign "free Agents" they are permitted to sign any player who was released, and they are also allowed to trade for any player. It doesn't matter if they lost anyone of the same significance or not.
 
but doesn't Denver have 2 number 1's this year????
No, they traded one of their 1st round picks last year to take Alphonso Smith in the second round of the 2009 draft. Like Carolina's trade with San Fransisco, this is already looking like one of the dumbest trades in recent memory that nobody talks about.
 
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I have a feeling Mr. Brady would take issue with this.

We need to get back to scoring 42-50 points a game, and live with the D we've grown accustomed to IMO.

If Brady is a Great QB....... then he can make the average WR very good


a lot of Hidden GEM WR's are unknown b/c they have yet to be given the opportunity as a WR because they are not thrown to as frequently as ppl like Fitz, Moss, Welker.


I think a big problem is TRUST and it seem's more often than not Brady only looks for 2 Targets.


Granted we do not have a bottom 4-5 WR's

Stanback, Aiken

I do not count as a 4 or a 5.


we need to find 2 other WR's cut or draft.... and give them an opportunity.


Brady has got to spread the ball out better.... and rely less on Mossman and Whitewess through Faulk in their if you must.


this should be a telling season w/ no Welker and a double covered aging Moss

hopefully TFB learns how to share and trust other WR's.

NE is too predictable......


Tom Brady is the man..... love the guy.... I would take a bullet for him... he has to learn to trust other options. It is difficult with Isaiah and Sam Faken

but we need to bring in prototypical WR's who can run routes and can catch....

there will be cut players..... we just gotta find the cut WR's who did not get the opportunity or much action elsewhere. Brady has to learn to trust new Targets.

I really hope TFB does not look at WR's as a means to build up his QB rating.... I sure hope he does not look at that stat and solely goes to targets he trusts... so he can boost his rating.


sometimes I really HATE stats.
 
Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

You jump to conclusions based on your own ignorant logic. You try to convince yourself that players going to the Jets will make the team worse. It's ridiculous, and that's where the homerism comes in.

There is no way that you can deny that Sanchez will be a better QB than his numbers suggested. Yes he struggled MIGHTILY at times last year, as most rookie QB's do. Peyton Manning had like 28 picks in his rookie year. Just b/c Matt Ryan and Flacco had decent rookie years doesn't mean Sanchez is absolute garbage b/c he had a tough rookie year. He will be better in 2010, and he has the talent to develop into an above average starter at QB. You keep saying Sanchez is best when kept in limit. THAT WAS LAST YEAR. The reigns will be loosened a little more this year. He will most likely be better and more well prepared to read NFL defenses after a year of experience.

Marshall coming to NY would help the development of Sanchez greatly just like Plaxico helped Eli a great deal. Marshall would be a great asset to any team and would make any team better. The Jets aren't going to change their whole offense just to suit Marshall. That's not how it works. The reason they will be able to throw the ball more is because Sanchez will be a better QB than he was last year. A trio of Greene, Washington, and a FA like LT or a mid-late round draftee should suffice behind that line.

You try to spin every Jets acquisition in a negative way. There is no way an objective viewer can say that Cromartie isn't an upgrade over Lito Sheppard. There is no way that anyone can objectively say the acquisition of Marshall by the Jets wouldn't significantly help them. There's always a way to try to convince yourself of something if it's something you want to believe. Let's all keep telling ourselves Marshall to the Jets wouldn't be a big deal and Bodden is better than Asante. It's a joke.

Actrualy, you can argue Sanchez is worse than his numbers because the threw a lot of bad balls that were dropped. He is great if you can keep him under 20 throws and keep the defense out of his face with a playaction. He is a disaster if the offense needs to rely on him.

Marshall would be a significant upgrade for the Jets receiving corp, but I also think he would turn Sanchez back into a liability. The Jets get Marshall and they have to start throwing more. The more Sanchez throws the worse he gets. He is so bad with his decision making that they had to resort to childrens games like red light/green light to try to fix him. Most of the time, adding more turnovers is far worse than adding a playmaker on offense. If Sanchez leads the league in INTs next year (he was second this year with 20), then Marshall won't help much. Personally, I think the Jets would be better off trading for Darren Sproles and keeping the ball out of Sanchez's hand.

Cromartie is an upgrade over Sheppard who I think sucks. I never said he wasn't. I said when Cromartie was rumored to be traded to the Pats that I didn't want him and his 2007 season was overrated. I have proven that in other threads. So I am a homer because I still think he is overrated.

I never said Bodden is better than Samuel. In fact, I think in the Pats' system that Samuel is much better than Bodden. In hindsight, the Pats should have tried to keep him, but I think it was a mistake back in 2006 when they could have gotten him for a song more than 2008.

You want to hear about other mistakes by the Pats like signing Adalius Thomas, not being more aggressive to bring in one of the pass rushers they target last offseason (Peppers, Jason Taylor, or Greg Ellis), not being more aggressive on defense last year, etc. I am able to recognize the faults in this team. All teams have them.

Adding Marshall will give the Jets more big plays, but it would also give them more costly turnovers. Sanchez has not show that when he is not just asked to be a game manager that he can reduce or eliminate the costly turnovers. They took the ball out of his hands in the playoffs and they had success.
 
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Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

brees is 6'.......doesn't seem to be a problem

Yup- because one guy can do it means that it's not a problem for anyone. Steve Smith does fine at 5'9, so clearly height is irrelevant to edge receivers, too.

Brees uses uncanny pocket presence and the ability/willingness to throw from many different angles to overcome the height hurdle. Having to learn to compensate in that way is one more hurdle for young QBs, and one more potential stumbling block in their development. Doesn't mean that Sanchez can't do it, but it does matter.
 
Why are we even talking about the Jets acquiring Marshall when they haven't lost anyone of any significant value..

Yeah, that was my original point. Unless I am missing something, they cannot acquire Marshall under the final four rule. Even his one year RFA tender is more than they can sign him for under the rule.
 
No, they traded one of their 1st round picks last year to take Alphonso Smith in the second round of the 2009 draft. Like Carolina's trade with San Fransisco, this is already looking like one of the dumbest trades in recent memory.
I think that trade is going to bite them in the *** I guess I just don't have faith in good ole Alphonso
 
we need to find 2 other WR's cut or draft.... and give them an opportunity.

There could also be a trade like pick(s), players to Cinci for GrouchoStinko.
 
"One of the best" is different than "Top 4". I personally think it's safe to say that Marshall's a top 10 receiver. I just don't buy him in the top 4. My personal take on the WR position is that 4 players are above all others, and that's the 4 I listed. After that, it's a bit of a ranking quagmire for the next level.

4 elite WRs in the league, and 3 elite RBs.... those are players you can build your team around. You don't really want to build your team around the 2nd tier, save at the QB position.

What is your top 4? Andre Johnson, Fitz, Calvin Johnson, Moss? I'd put all of those guys, plus Desean Jackson, Wayne, and Miles Austin ahead of Marshall.
 
There could also be a trade like pick(s), players to Cinci for GrouchoStinko.

eww...



so you read my post?



Brady relies way too much on the same targets....


I hope more ppl rd this
 
Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Actrualy, you can argue Sanchez is worse than his numbers because the threw a lot of bad balls that were dropped. He is great if you can keep him under 20 throws and keep the defense out of his face with a playaction. He is a disaster if the offense needs to rely on him.

Marshall would be a significant upgrade for the Jets receiving corp, but I also think he would turn Sanchez back into a liability. The Jets get Marshall and they have to start throwing more. The more Sanchez throws the worse he gets. He is so bad with his decision making that they had to resort to childrens games like red light/green light to try to fix him. Personally, I think the Jets would be better off trading for Darren Sproles and keeping the ball out of Sanchez's hand.

Cromartie is an upgrade over Sheppard who I think sucks. I never said he wasn't. I said when Cromartie was rumored to be traded to the Pats that I didn't want him and his 2007 season was overrated. I have proven that in other threads. So I am a homer because I still think he is overrated.

I never said Bodden is better than Samuel. In fact, I think in the Pats' system that Samuel is much better than Bodden. In hindsight, the Pats should have tried to keep him, but I think it was a mistake back in 2006 when they could have gotten him for a song more than 2008.

You want to hear about other mistakes by the Pats like signing Adalius Thomas, not being more aggressive to bring in one of the pass rushers they target last offseason (Peppers, Jason Taylor, or Greg Ellis), not being more aggressive on defense last year, etc. I am able to recognize the faults in this team. All teams have them.

Adding Marshall will give the Jets more big plays, but it would also give them more costly turnovers. Sanchez has not show that when he is not just asked to be a game manager that he can reduce or eliminate the costly turnovers. They took the ball out of his hands in the playoffs and they had success.

Ok, so all the off the field issues aside. How do you think Marshall would fit into the Pats offense, and how much value would he have?
 
What is your top 4? Andre Johnson, Fitz, Calvin Johnson, Moss? I'd put all of those guys, plus Desean Jackson, Wayne, and Miles Austin ahead of Marshall.

IMHO



Fitz
Desean Jackson r the 2 best WR's in the NFL PERIOD.


Scary good players and I am jealous.
 
Well I certainly hope that whoever was saying that McDaniels believes that he owes us a favor is right. This would be a bad move for us and a good move for the Jets if it works out. Marshall is one domestic abuse call away from a long term suspension but if the Jets sign him and things work out, they will be extremely tough to beat.
 
Yeah, that was my original point. Unless I am missing something, they cannot acquire Marshall under the final four rule. Even his one year RFA tender is more than they can sign him for under the rule.

That only applies to "free agents" they can trade for anyone.
 
There could also be a trade like pick(s), players to Cinci for GrouchoStinko.




Love OCHO....



but he is OLD.... I wouldn't waste picks on OCHO



This team needs to get YOUNG TALENT.
 
Love OCHO....



but he is OLD.... I wouldn't waste picks on OCHO



This team needs to get YOUNG TALENT.

Agreed. I'm just pointing out that a trade is another way to acquire a receiver.
 
Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Ok, so all the off the field issues aside. How do you think Marshall would fit into the Pats offense, and how much value would he have?

He would fit into the Pats offense better just because Brady is a far superior QB to Sanchez. Brady has shown that he can throw the ball over 30 times a game without making costly mistakes. Brady threw the ball 204 more times than Sanchez did this year and had 7 less INTs. Sanchez threw a pick ever 18.2 passes. Brady threw a pick every 43.5 pass.

Except with Marshall you cannot separate his character issues from the player. He's got far more red flags than Moss and Dillon combined. That is why I don't want the guy. Too costly an far too much risk. Especially in today's NFL where a player can get suspended far easier than they could in the Tagliabue era.
 
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I also wanted to point out that the Pats would be making the right move by staying put and rely on better drafting. Listen, we wouldn't be sitting here freaking out over the prospect of Marshall with the Jets had the Pats drafted better the last few years. Drafts from '06 and '08 have really kicked them in the balls. They had the right idea, just chose the wrong players.
 
Except Marshall is a free agent. As a RFA, he falls under those rules.

Nope. It specifically means players who are unrestricted free agents. They can trade for anyone, and sign any player who is released.

Don't ask me. I think it is stupid as hell, but that is what the guidelines are.

I'm still trying to figure out why players who are released are not considered "free agents" under these guidelines.
 
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