Life is "Good" for McDaniels. Buys $2.2 million home.

[Armchair Quarterback]

I wasn't aware adding context to your superficial argument constitutes whining.



I don't really know how to respond to this. Was the massive, gaping flaw in this argument not self-evident when you were composing this nonsense?



The Patriots were able to do something because BB is the best coach in the league and Brady is a top-3 QB. That's really all there is to it.

I haven't a clue whether McDaniels will or should be the future head coach of the Patriots. At the same time, I hardly think speculation on his future assignments justifies the unfair attacks on his record.

It was whining.

What flaw? Please explain.

Pointing out his team was last in points scored is an unfair attack?

 

[JackBauer]

It was whining.

No, it wasn't.

What flaw? Please explain.

Exhibit A:

Matt Patricia, the defensive playcaller was able to get the Pats D to the middle of the pack in points allowed, A 13-3 record and an AFC championship with talent every bit as bad as the Rams offense.

Pointing out his team was last in points scored is an unfair attack?

It is when you don't take into account the head coach (fired after the season) and utter lack of tools at his disposal (GM fired after the season).

Of course, I'm sure you understand this by now, but instead have chosen to sound the broken record rather than qualify your argument accordingly.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I don't need to, I know what it is and this is an incredibly weak argument.

So because BB's first head coaching job was considered a failure let's use that as a foundation for success.

BB was considered the architect of the Giants SB winning teams, went to the SB as the assistant HC and DB coach of the 96 Pats and was the DC for the Jets from 97-99 helping them go from 1 win in 96 to 12 in 98.

McDaniels failed as a HC and followed that up by finishing last in the league in points with the Rams. Not exactly equivalent resumes.

Wow

Did Josh nail your wife and she still screams his name?

Your posts are so bad, you actually make Garbanza not look like the dumbest poster on a thread.

Amazing.

Cardinal rule in football for dummies.....it's the players not the scheme. The Rams are pathetic.

I also love the Denver meme. McDaniels was hired because the dude he replaced suffered year ending collapse after year ending collapse. This included:

"Star" QB/WR that are complete meatheads and losers. Since all one has to do is look at their history since being traded; it's pretty easy to see one had zero hope of winning with them.

Yearly firing/replacement of DC's....and the horrendous units that resulted.

Denver did win the division and a playoff game.....due to talent McDaniels drafted. Mike Lombardi has actually noted this in articles about how Elway and Fox were very silent on this aspect of the "turnaround".

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Wow

Did Josh nail your wife and she still screams his name?

Your posts are so bad, you actually make Garbanza not look like the dumbest poster on a thread.

Amazing.

Cardinal rule in football for dummies.....it's the players not the scheme. The Rams are pathetic.

I also love the Denver meme. McDaniels was hired because the dude he replaced suffered year ending collapse after year ending collapse. This included:

"Star" QB/WR that are complete meatheads and losers. Since all one has to do is look at their history since being traded; it's pretty easy to see one had zero hope of winning with them.

Yearly firing/replacement of DC's....and the horrendous units that resulted.

Denver did win the division and a playoff game.....due to talent McDaniels drafted. Mike Lombardi has actually noted this in articles about how Elway and Fox were very silent on this aspect of the "turnaround".

You've got to be most useless poster on this board...such a tool...pathetic internet tough guy.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

You've got to be most useless poster on this board...such a tool...pathetic internet tough guy.

Translation:

Hey, patsfaninpittsburgh, you are correct. Please leave me alone so I can keep some semblence of dignity by playing victim.

BTW

I'm a lover not a fighter. That should be obvious with the tough love in my posts.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Translation:

Hey, patsfaninpittsburgh, you are correct. Please leave me alone so I can keep some semblence of dignity by playing victim.

BTW

I'm a lover not a fighter. That should be obvious with the tough love in my posts.

I see that you're also delusional.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Another thread turned crap by hissey fits There's a reason for the PM feature

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

Another thread turned crap by hissey fits There's a reason for the PM feature

Exactly. It was like watching the republican debates.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Exactly. It was like watching the republican debates.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Exactly. It was like watching the republican debates.

LOL

I take it you enjoyed the first six pages where "Team Josh" basically called you an idiot for speculating on McDaniels' future.

Those are the same homey's who appear to have a rather peculiar fixation on McDaniels and his various tenures.

 

[Ring 6]

You've addressed his failures as an OC last year, to which I would not demur.
I'm curious if you would defend his tenure as head coach/GM of the Broncos.
Frankly, I would say he rather mishandled that, and above all, I have concerns about his history of talent evaluation and how that'll relate to our future drafts.

-Jamman

He wasn't GM, but as the players have developed those Broncos drafts don't look nearly as bad as advertised.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

He wasn't GM, but as the players have developed those Broncos drafts don't look nearly as bad as advertised.

Mike Lombardi has made that exact point in several articles.


The follow on question is for all his "mis-handling", where exactly has Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall proved to be championchip caliber performers?

 

[pork3]

The follow on question is for all his "mis-handling", where exactly has Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall proved to be championchip caliber performers?

A second half collapse in his first year with a mediocre second year were what I was referring to.
The Laurence Maroney trade and the Jarvis Green signing didn't help things as well.
Trading up for Tim Tebow in the first round and giving multiple picks to the Ravens was peculiar to say the least.

That said, it was his first stint as a head coach, so that should be taken into account.

If not "mishandled", how would you characterize his years with the Broncos?

-jamman

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

A second half collapse in his first year with a mediocre second year were what I was referring to.
The Laurence Maroney trade and the Jarvis Green signing didn't help things as well.
Trading up for Tim Tebow in the first round and giving multiple picks to the Ravens was peculiar to say the least.

That said, it was his first stint as a head coach, so that should be taken into account.

If not "mishandled", how would you characterize his years with the Broncos?

-jamman

So you somehow think that 4th round pick for Maroney was the key piece that derailed Bronco success?

LOL

Here's the point

In the years following the Elway's retirement the Broncos won exactly one playoff game. (Given to them by our turnovers)

The period included:

Zero stability at QB a la' Brian Griese/ Jake Plummer. This lead to a "franchise" meathead being drafted. The claim to fame for this meathead revolves around sulking on the bench when his team needed him against a division rival.

Constant defensive turnover. (They traded for Cleveland's defensive line and constantly changed coordinators)

Questionable drafts- (Maurice Clarrett, anyone). They did draft a "franchise" WR who's only real claim to fame is beating up his wife, bar fights, locker room distractions, and explaining it away with some borderline personality disorder.

Years 2003-2005 ended in humiliating playoff losses.

Years 2006-2008 ended in humiliating end of year collapses. Yeah, ignore second half collapses pre-2009.

He didn't "mishandle":

Cutler. Jay Cutler is a punk and a loser. Three years in Chicago make that obvious. Even Rex Grossman got that team to the Super Bowl. Rex didn't even sulk on the sideline because of a booboo.

Marshall. Did Miami also "mishandle" Brandon Marshall? Who hasn't "mishandled" Brandon Marshall?

The curious assumption of some massive "mishandling" seems to revolve around a delusion that Denver was the successful, model franchise screwed up by McDaniels ego.

The reality was it was an increasingly dysfunctional organization that compounded ever bigger failures with increasing pathologies.

How's that DC Shanahan experience workin'?

That's not to say, McDaniels didn't make mistakes. Everyone did and does. However, bad decorating on the Titantic isn't steering the ship into the 'berg.

That's reality. Mike Lombardi has pointed this out. It's also the salient point that McDaniels' detractors seem to aviod at all costs.

Resident buddy Armchair evades this by playing victim.

 

[pork3]

So you somehow think that 4th round pick for Maroney was the key piece that derailed Bronco success?
LOL

Hardly my words , but that was an instance of poor decision making on a personnel end.

In any event, though you do cite cogent examples of systematic failures in the Broncos organization during the pre-McDaniels era, McDaniels was brought in to right the ship, using your analogy. Clearly, he was rather unsuccessful in that endeavor. Additionally, in his second year, the Broncos had the worst regular season record in decades, which in conjunction with the videogate scandal led to his dismissal. Whether that's because he lost his team due to his ego, acerbic personality or some other factor is speculation that I'll avoid touching on.

-Jamman

 

[Deus Irae]

Hardly my words , but that was an instance of poor decision making on a personnel end.

In any event, though you do cite cogent examples of systematic failures in the Broncos organization during the pre-McDaniels era, McDaniels was brought in to right the ship, using your analogy. Clearly, he was rather unsuccessful in that endeavor. Additionally, in his second year, the Broncos had the worst regular season record in decades, which in conjunction with the videogate scandal led to his dismissal. Whether that's because he lost his team due to his ego or some other factor is speculation that I'll avoid touching on.

-Jamman

Unless you think turnarounds are linear, and that they all only take 2 seasons, your argument sucks.

 

[pork3]

Unless you think turnarounds are linear, and that they all only take 2 seasons, your argument sucks.

Ahh the Deus wit, love it.

Turnarounds certainly aren't always linear (though they can be), but to go from bad to worse isn't exactly an indicator of success, which probably was one of the reasons the Broncos decided to ditch him.

-Jamman

 

[Deus Irae]

Ahh the Deus wit, love it.

Turnarounds certainly aren't linear, but to go from bad to worse isn't exactly an indicator of success, which probably was one of the reasons the Broncos decided to ditch him.

-Jamman

1.) The Broncos had gone 9-7, 7-9 and 8-8 in the three seasons prior to McDaniels getting there, and it was a team that was getting worse instead of better overall.

2.) Marshall had a problem with the organization, stemming from a hip injury, before McDaniels arrived. His antics eventually forced McDaniels to move him, but Marshall explicitly stated that he had no problem with McDaniels.

3.) Cutler was up in the owner's office whining about the new coach and/or new OC before any new coach was even hired. He eventually lied about his contact with the team, and pouted his way out of town.

4.) McDaniels was transitioning the team from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense, and had to do it on the fly with a group that Shanahan had been neglecting/screwing up for years.

5.) After unexpectedly keeping the Broncos at .500 in his rookie season, despite, as expected, making rookie coaching/other mistakes, McDaniels had to deal with the fact that Dumervil was lost for the second year before a game was played, and he guessed wrong on Jamaal Williams having another good year left in him. His top draft pick got a foot injury that set him back basically the entire season.

6.) McDaniels had to rebuild the offensive line, except for the LT spot, and he went the way of youth, and had to take his lumps as a result.

7.) Etc....


Now, if you tell me McDaniels knew he'd only get one bad season while trying to do a complete team and culture turnaround, I'll agree that he did a bad job, because he should never have relied on a young line or young receivers. Since that's pretty clearly not what he thought was going to happen, I'll pass on making that sort of bad judgment, thanks. He made some bad picks in year one (it happens), but his year two draft was pretty damned good.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

So you somehow think that 4th round pick for Maroney was the key piece that derailed Bronco success?

LOL

Here's the point

In the years following the Elway's retirement the Broncos won exactly one playoff game. (Given to them by our turnovers)

The period included:

Zero stability at QB a la' Brian Griese/ Jake Plummer. This lead to a "franchise" meathead being drafted. The claim to fame for this meathead revolves around sulking on the bench when his team needed him against a division rival.

Constant defensive turnover. (They traded for Cleveland's defensive line and constantly changed coordinators)

Questionable drafts- (Maurice Clarrett, anyone). They did draft a "franchise" WR who's only real claim to fame is beating up his wife, bar fights, locker room distractions, and explaining it away with some borderline personality disorder.

Years 2003-2005 ended in humiliating playoff losses.

Years 2006-2008 ended in humiliating end of year collapses. Yeah, ignore second half collapses pre-2009.

He didn't "mishandle":

Cutler. Jay Cutler is a punk and a loser. Three years in Chicago make that obvious. Even Rex Grossman got that team to the Super Bowl. Rex didn't even sulk on the sideline because of a booboo.

Marshall. Did Miami also "mishandle" Brandon Marshall? Who hasn't "mishandled" Brandon Marshall?

The curious assumption of some massive "mishandling" seems to revolve around a delusion that Denver was the successful, model franchise screwed up by McDaniels ego.

The reality was it was an increasingly dysfunctional organization that compounded ever bigger failures with increasing pathologies.

How's that DC Shanahan experience workin'?

That's not to say, McDaniels didn't make mistakes. Everyone did and does. However, bad decorating on the Titantic isn't steering the ship into the 'berg.

That's reality. Mike Lombardi has pointed this out. It's also the salient point that McDaniels' detractors seem to aviod at all costs.

Resident buddy Armchair evades this by playing victim.

Hah! Yup, poor me playing victim.

Just what in the hell are you talking about?

 

[Avenger]

I don't need to, I know what it is and this is an incredibly weak argument.

So because BB's first head coaching job was considered a failure let's use that as a foundation for success.

BB was considered the architect of the Giants SB winning teams, went to the SB as the assistant HC and DB coach of the 96 Pats and was the DC for the Jets from 97-99 helping them go from 1 win in 96 to 12 in 98.

McDaniels failed as a HC and followed that up by finishing last in the league in points with the Rams. Not exactly equivalent resumes.

JMcD was the OC of the only team to go 16-0 in the regular season. He went to the SB as OC with the 07 pats, and prior to that helped win 3 Super Bowls in assistant positions. His 2010 draft selections have proved good, with two very WRs and a QB that turned a 1-4 team into a team that won the division and a playoff game. And even in BB's second HC job hear in NE he had a slow start. You can't judge a HC that quickly.