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A case of where the draft forum knew better than BB.
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I agree that Sternberger is the TE that we might regret having missed out on, but I don't get the nickname and generally ****ting on Williams. Yeah he ran a pretty slow 40 time, but so what? Malcolm Butler ran the same 40 time at his pro day, some guys have better game speed than shorts-and-t-shirts speed. Some guys just have a bad day. Some guys don't spend weeks leading up to the combine refining their sprinting technique in a way that maximizes their 40 time without contributing in any way to their game speed. If Williams' game tape doesn't show him to be overly slow--and it doesn't--then writing him off based on a bad combine 40 time is just lazy and makes little sense.
In Williams' case, if his 40 time is .05 seconds faster he probably goes in the first round. If nothing else, I'd think a good takeaway from this draft should be that Belichick doesn't necessarily care all that much about 40 times.
I’m not a draft studier or second guesser.And your choice? I thought they would take Irv Smith Jr, but BB has a plan we're not privy to.
I was incorrect to say no one.Two of us did, at least. I forgot to mention the pick, but I went into day 3 thinking any of the 4th rounders were a solid spot for him. I agree I'd have kept 134 and taken Moreau. We'll see if that turns out to be a good choice or not.
Again I’m speaking to those who are criticizing or implying they could do better. I could have worded it much better.Or maybe the simple explanation is that we don’t have one.
Grabbing a punter in the 5th was a head scratcher....pick up a 7th rd or UDFA punter unless BB just fell in love with this guys Hang Time......or maybe it's Allen's eventual replacement and he gets stashed on the PS...Beats me.
If he's at least nearly as good as Allen he saves the team $4 to $5 million over the next four years. That's worth a 5th round pick.
Sternberger was the one. Despite not being a GREAT blocker, he has similar ability to catch the ball as Dallas Goedert in my opinion. If drafted, he automatically becomes the best pass catching TE on the team. And OBVIOUSLY instead of SlowJuan, whom I wasn’t a fan of.
No offense, I actually HATE this thread. It’s a real sore subject for me. The usual Belichick draft apologists will say, “oh he must’ve hated this TE class”, like they say every time when he passes up a TE in the draft. The last TWO draft years were extremely deep at the TE position. Is it possible the maniacal trade downs keep taking him out of position to take one he likes ?
I don't assume that BB hated the TE class at all. Maybe they considered a player at another position to good to resist; maybe they simply missed out on a TE they liked, given that there are 31 other teams drafting. In fact, a plausible case was already made in this thread that BB would have taken Warring in round 3 if he'd been available (and most observers would have expected him to be available at that point).
I don't assume that BB hated the TE class at all. Maybe they considered a player at another position to good to resist; maybe they simply missed out on a TE they liked, given that there are 31 other teams drafting. In fact, a plausible case was already made in this thread that BB would have taken Warring in round 3 if he'd been available (and most observers would have expected him to be available at that point).
The problem, to me, is that among the 13 possible TEs, one is inevitably going to be really good. And then three years from now people will be shouting "We could have had him! What was BB thinking??"--totally forgetting that there was zero consensus, among "experts" or Patriots fans, whether Sternberger or Smith or Knox or Warring or Oliver or Moreau or Sample etc. etc. was the guy to target, and when.
So I thought it would be interesting to ask what, specifically, everybody thinks the Pats should have done. Not just "drafted a tight end," because realistically the majority of the TEs drafted from 32 on are going to amount to very little.
Because he took a flyer at a different position. There are 22 starting positions and 22 more backup positions. Some aren’t going to get drafted.That said, the rules that go into the early-round picks don't matter nearly so much on day 3: the net benefit from those late-round picks is small enough that there's probably not much of a difference between, say, a high 5th on the one hand and a low 5th and a 7th on the other.
So why not, say, take a flyer on the best TE left on the board?
I think it’s clear BB didn’t want a pass catching only TE who, after all, are just bigger, slower WRs. So, for me, Drew Sample on day three, but of course he was long gone by then. I liked him but not to the same degree the Bungals did.
Yet he drafted, then extensively used successfully, and then generously extended Hernandez, who was exactly that, a pass catching only TE.
So maybe he just didnt like anyone.
In general, I think the whole idea of replacing Gronk is misguided, because nobody was ever going to. We're not going to get a TE who offers even a half-decent approximation of him, because that guy simply doesn't exist. Or more accurately, if he does exist in this draft then we would have had to trade up to the top of the first to get him. No matter who the Pats picked we were going to be having this conversation at at least one or two positions, you can't fix every hole in the draft. I'm happy with who they picked.
Grabbing a punter in the 5th was a head scratcher....pick up a 7th rd or UDFA punter unless BB just fell in love with this guys Hang Time......or maybe it's Allen's eventual replacement and he gets stashed on the PS...Beats me.