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From 1990 until Parcells arrival, they were the laughing stock of the NFL. Rod Rust, Victor Kiam and the Lisa Olsen nightmare, followed up by **** MacPherson, with his rah-rah ways, Hugh Millen-ated at QB made sure the joke continued, including not winning a game until week 11 in 1992. They were horrible. Fact, not opinion.

Did you come up with “Hugh Millen-ated” joke after reading my comment in another thread that Twitter would have a field day giving him a nickname? Because if you didn’t, that is really, really weird. I don’t think I’d mentioned the great HM7 until today, and I’ve been posting here for almost 15 years. Anyway, that’s a good nickname, along the lines of what I was looking for.
 
Did you come up with “Hugh Millen-ated” joke after reading my comment in another thread that Twitter would have a field day giving him a nickname? Because if you didn’t, that is really, really weird. I don’t think I’d mentioned the great HM7 until today, and I’ve been posting here for almost 15 years. Anyway, that’s a good nickname, along the lines of what I was looking for.
I would like to take credit, but I heard it sometime in the 1990's, after Bledsoe's arrival. I couldn't tell you where, TBH, somewhere in sports media. I just remember laughing out loud like "no chit, they were so bad."
 
As a punishment, Kraft should have to work at the spa for the next 90 days. That’ll be the best lesson he can ever learn about cheap hjs.

I mean...you can just ask for a different masseuse when you show up and a 8000 million year old dude walks out to greet you. You're not legally obligated to get your pole waxed by the first person to walk through the door.

My friend told me that, anyways. You don't know him. He lives in Canada but is a real human person.
 
You know, about 150 years ago your obsession with this issue was cute and funny and new. And for about the last 149 years, 364 days and 23.75 hours it's been stupid, boring, idiotic and ridiculous. Give it the f### up. You look dumb and shallow beyond belief persevering on this topic. Quit.
I had to look again. He has been here less than 3 years spewing his mantra. Seems much longer.
 
Chris Chase of USA Today has managed to be wrong about design, local touchstones, and the general success of a brand all at once. To wit:

Despite the silver-faced John Kerry
Wrong. He is a Lost-in-Space android version of the Man in the Mountain, a beloved 60s TV show and a beloved regional landmark combined. And by the way, the android I mean intones "Crush, kill, destroy," not "Danger Will Robinson." If you still cannot place the android I cannot talk to you any further.

the Pats logo at least kept red, white and blue in the color scheme. And that's the only positive thing that can be said of the Flying Elvis design. Don't be fooled into thinking it's good just because the Patriots are.

And don't be fooled into thinking it's bad just because the Patriots aren't. There's a loyal "isn't outdated cool" contingent. But most have embraced their Flying Elvis gear, yours truly included. If you have the cash for one stitched-numbers jersey, its almost certainly going to be the white or navy Flying Elvis on the Shoulder version. It's not going to be the throwback. Flying Elvis is Patriots gear. Pat Patriot is what the gear would look like if we used the old logo with new player names.

This logo is all horrendous. The Jay Leno chin? The trailing red lines of the helmet? The white star that is supposed to represent the flag but looks like the world’s most unfortunate birthmark? Awful. This has been called the Flying Elvis logo, but a flying Elvis would be infinitely cooler.

The specifics here are a little comical but mainly stupid. The star does recall the flag, the Jay Leno chin is again based on a known profile.

The trailing red lines establish motion, something you dont get from a cartoon ethnic stereotype center who, from a distance, could be confused for a Houston oilers oil derrick. You ever confuse the flying elvis for ANYTHING?

Now, let's go to what a real designer would talk about, the design element of the curvy elvis wedge--a fat-side-front, rough triangle with implied forward motion. Who did it first? I think the Flying Elvis, though I'm not sure. Here are teams that sport it now:

Us (yay.)
The Carolina Panthers
The Jaguars. By the way, you think you've got problems? That Jaguar drank a blueberry icee before the game. Look at that tongue.
Houston Texans.
Arguably Atlanta.

Variant, thick edge back, with the emphasis still on forward motion: Denver cyberhorse.

Arguably the Flaming Thumbtack (they moved in 97, so I'm calling it derivative to the extent that it recalls the wedge; but I really think it's circular with a flourish to add motion.)

Flying Elvis is unmistakably a period warrior, with 90s, not 60s, presentation. The 60s version had no motion, was not intimidating in the least (more like laughable), and worst of all, could not be seen clearly from any distance. It was a good logo to print in a single-panel cartoon, oh wait, that's what it actually was.

The Patriots had once before tried to replace the famed Pat Patriot logo, partially because there was so many intricacies in the design (13 shirt wrinkles and small facial features) that it was hard to reproduce on various retail items.* Fans booed the new logo (an American flag replica with a blue patriot’s head instead of stars) so badly that it was never adopted. In 1993, the Patriots went with a new look, abandoning the red, white and blue color scheme for the current Flying Elvis logo with a silver background. This time they wisely didn’t give fans a chance to boo.

APF's favorite only tangentially related story! Yay! It made USA Today! Don't care. Not the same logo. Not the same reaction. Shut up.

How bad is the logo? The jerseys or logos of great teams will, over time, eventually come to possess their own power. The Golden State Warriors logo is great but it didn’t have that inherent strength until the team had it too. The Pats have been the NFL’s preeminent team for close to 20 years and this logo looks as stupid today as the day it was unveiled.

Spoken like a Jets fan. Just go embrace what you really want to be. A nice clean, wait while I laugh, WORD as a design element, with only slight tweaks on the logo since the 60s (not to say there weren't tweaks by fans and draft pick presenters - JEST, JETE...)

Whenever I see these complaints it's like seeing a guy who's p.o.'d that the Pats coaches are using those Surface tablets on the sideline, even though they think a big thick xeroxed playbook is better, or that a well-handled abacus has superior computing power. No.

The old logo is not just the old logo, it's also an old logo. It comes from the days when somebody could know somebody and that guy could scribble **** on a napkin, and that **** could be repurposed from cartoon to brand, and because it's the only game in town, people could get behind it. Gee our old LaSalle ran great, right? Well I ain't havin' it.

Let me give you a living example (which Pat Patriot is emphatically not.) Fenway Park is a "lyric little bandbox of a ball park" or something, right? Well they built a damn door into the left field side wall, they didn't have room for a proper left field to begin with so they made a gigantic wall, you have to play it radically different from any other left field in the majors, and you had to change the angle you're trying to hit the ball if you're trying to go yard.

Now don't ask yourself if it's good or bad, I think it's great. more character than any other park in the majors. Everybody could picture it just from those few facts above. the only thing close to that much character is that there happens to be some ivy at Wrigley.

That said: If the unthinkable happened and they built a new park for the Red Sox -- you know, a real modern-day masterpiece... would they make the porch that short in left? Would they compensate with a 40 foot wall? Would they build a goddam DOOR in the side? Hell, other teams might sue.

I remember some time ago they were planning to build a new Fenway and make it just like the old fenway or something... I wonder if they were planning to build a door into the side.

Anyway, if you did it would be pure nostalgia. You would not have reproduced the imperfections of life that led to that endearing mistake. Let's face it, if a door in the side was good for the game, every ball park would have a door the ball could bounce around in.

It's a quirk.

So is the cartoon center. It's not design for a purpose.

Don't assume that you couldn't sell Pat Patriot gear just because the team wasn't as good. (They weren't the doormat this writer pretends they were either... although they were certainly nothing like the Flying Elvi.)

To sum up, stop being wrong on my internet.
 
The first QB I remember was Tommy Hodson, TH13. He went 1-11. Being born in 82, I was 8 or 9 at the time, and I remember thinking, wow, quarterbacking is really hard, and even though Hodson sucked in retrospect (1-11 as a starter), I thought it was awesome watching him play just because he was the quarterback. Looking back now at pro-footballreference, looks like I missed Marc Wilson, who went 1-9. Epic TOURCH passing from Wilson to Hodson.

I remember the 91 season because my dad was all excited about "Coach Mac" **** MacPherson, and he was this old guy who got really excited. Improved from 1-15 to 6-10 under the great Hugh Millen, HM7. Looking back, I wonder what the twitter world would have done with poor Hugh since his name is just ripe for some type of "humiliation" nickname. Millen came crashing down to earth in 1992 with an 0-7 start, and there was a trio of bad QBs in Millen, Hodson, and Zolak all competing for the starting job. They were all terrible, but at the time I thought one of them must be good.

Of course there was the immortal Scott Secules, who started four games in Bledsoe's rookie year and went 0-4.

So of course when Bledsoe was drafted, I thought he was probably the best QB of all-time.

@Steve:Section 102 here is the post from today. Lol.
 
My friend told me that, anyways. You don't know him. He lives in Canada but is a real human person.

If he's Canadian he has to be really nice so I'm fairly certain it has to be the truth.
 
Only one guy does, but he really, intensely does.

That intensity is like at 11....and easily worth at least 2 1/2 posters on the patsfans.com achievement scale.
 
Remember the game Hugh Millen won in the final seconds and McPherson humped HM?
 
2 years, 11 months, 345 days and 22.77 hours...

At least we don't have to solve problems having to do with dwindling fuel or cosmic rays, so still not as arduous as a one-way mars mission.
 
Remember the game Hugh Millen won in the final seconds and McPherson humped HM?

Didn't McPherson hug everybody at the end? Dudes trying to fade into the background and ****, McPherson finding everybody on the sideline like it or not?
 
Remember the game Hugh Millen won in the final seconds and McPherson humped HM?

Hugh Millen ruined our only real chance at beating Elway. I was mad watching it as a kid and I'm mad remembering it.

**** you for making me remember it, pal. You're dead to me.
 
Ask a defense attorney if his client is guilty and he will say no. Ask him if the evidence is legit, and he was say it was illegally gathered. Like I said, you must think Jussie Smollett is 100% innocent. After all, his defense attorney said so!!.
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