PATRIOTS NEWS Josh McDaniels is back

[rogerthat]

I'm OK with this.
The guy brings a ton of experience as an OC. The problems getting plays in, game-day execution, should be eliminated.
He was OC when Dante was here and saw an effective OL development program.
He was creative enough with Brady - with a system perfectly suited to Brady's capabilities.
I guess our hope is that he understood what Weiss was doing to enable Brady to optimize his skills, and built his offense around that.
He's obviously been far less effective with other QB's, but has experience with Cassel, Garoppolo, Kyle Orton, Tebow, Minshew, and someone named O'Connell. So he's adapted to different QB capabilities.
He favors fullbacks and tight ends, as does Vrabel. But ran a lot of 3WR sets in Las Vegas and with Moss/Welker.
Not just Kraft - Vrabel has extensive experience with Josh as well. Little known fact - Vrabel actually caught 10 touchdowns! No one ever mentions this.../s

So I was hoping for something new with Caley or McCown, but this should be a leap above what was delivered with AVP.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I said in another post elsewhere - I think it’ll be a fairly vanilla first year as Maye gets up to speed, but in year 2 onward they will get more and more creative.

The good news is that they have several starter-level players with experience:
- starting C David Andrews
- starting G Mike Onwenu
- starting TE Hunter Henry
- starting RB Rhamondre Stevenson
- WRs Pop Douglas, Kayshon Boutte, Kendrick Bourne (the first two under Bill O’Brien, but same concepts)

Both Onwenu and Robinson should do better in MacDaniels offense, as they are more power blockers. Strange would be a little out of place as a guard, but he’s got great size for a center in this scheme.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

In hindsight I think Matty P was onto something . If they won the final bills game we might have been in playoffs. Things would have looked really different i guess . I looked at stats and we were the only team with losing record who had a positive point differential (20+ ) .

The Packers game we should have won.

@archstanton543 will not agree with you which means you are correct. @archstanton543 still supports Mayo and Wolf. LOL How that guy is not embarrassed is amazing.

We will see how Matty P does at UNC and know if he is competent.

 

[Ross12]

This is a great post.

I think Maye will love McDaniels. Maye will very quickly pick up reading the defense at the LOS and adjusting accordingly. I have no idea why a NFL franchise who has a smart instinctive QB like Maye would not want to adjust at the LOS to increase the chance of success.

Josh McDaniels does not mean there is no West Coast offense. Josh means that there is intelligence added at the LOS, and Maye is an intelligent QB. I think it is a great opportunity for Maye. Maye plus Vrabel and McDaniels is going to blow Maye's mind.

I actually think there is a way that Maye benefitted from running the West Coast offense first for a year - he got to focus on his fundamentals and was able to trust his center to make line adjustments. Otherwise it was mostly just “running the play”. This let him get up to NFL speed physically and become comfortable without having to absorb too much. Now he mainly only has to focus on the mental side in his 2nd year learning Josh’s system, as opposed to having to do it all at once as a rookie.

 

[rogerthat]

What I’m about to say doesn’t have a ton of relevance, but it still needs to be said. Josh did not get nearly the credit he deserved for his part in the Patriots comeback against the Falcons in the SuperBowl. Some of those calls, especially using White in the running game, were next level.

There are also recordings of him coaching at halftime saying that he believed they would win the game.

I don’t think there is another OC out there including Johnson that wins that game.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Polk and Baker going for a thousand yards each in 2025

in their car?

 

[Ross12]

Both Onwenu and Robinson should do better in MacDaniels offense, as they are more power blockers. Strange would be a little out of place as a guard, but he’s got great size for a center in this scheme.

I agree but Vrabel mentioned the day he was hired that he wants to run both zone and gap schemes and switch depending on either what the players can handle and/or what will work better against the defense they’re facing. Makes me wonder how effectively Josh can implement zone schemes.

On a side note - I’m curious if he hires Carmen Bricillo from the Texans as his OL coach.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

What about the fact Josh McDaniels has acted like a complete dbag everywhere when he wasn't babysat by Bill and fallen out with key players and everyone has hated him?

That's not a twisting of facts, that's just facts.

Why would anyone care about that? Josh will be babysat by Vrabel. McDaniels was awful when he was not babysat, but that is irrelevant to the present situation because he will be babysat by Vrabel. Why did you post that concern?

 

[fresnostatealum]

Getting a very good third down back will be essential.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

At least we wont have to worry about Josh leaving for a HC job. There is stability and Maye wont play musical OCs like Mac did!

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Sorry. Just click on the YouTube link

 

[TomPatriot]

I agree but Vrabel mentioned the day he was hired that he wants to run both zone and gap schemes and switch depending on either what the players can handle and/or what will work better against the defense they’re facing. Makes me wonder how effectively Josh can implement zone schemes.

On a side note - I’m curious if he hires Carmen Bricillo from the Texans as his OL coach.

He has implemented it in the past. Zone blocking didn’t arrive last year.

 

[Ross12]

Why would anyone care about that? Josh will be babysat by Vrabel. McDaniels was awful when he was not babysat, but that is irrelevant to the present situation because he will be babysat by Vrabel. Why did you post that concern?

“Uncle Bobby always acts up when he’s at the casino. Therefore, we shouldn’t invite Uncle Bobby to little Timmy’s 4th birthday party.”

 

[Ross12]

He has implemented it in the past. Zone blocking didn’t arrive last year.

I simply must not remember it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Getting a very good third down back will be essential.

...and a FB too.

 

[Ross12]

...and a FB too.

Wonder if Jaheim Bell can convert to FB.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree but Vrabel mentioned the day he was hired that he wants to run both zone and gap schemes and switch depending on either what the players can handle and/or what will work better against the defense they’re facing. Makes me wonder how effectively Josh can implement zone schemes.

On a side note - I’m curious if he hires Carmen Bricillo from the Texans as his OL coach.

We ran zone schemes when McDaniels was here

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Why would anyone care about that? Josh will be babysat by Vrabel. McDaniels was awful when he was not babysat, but that is irrelevant to the present situation because he will be babysat by Vrabel. Why did you post that concern?

What you're saying is a valid mitigating factor to the risk, but it's definitely a valid concern to bring up. Dude is straight up DESPISED by almost everyone he coached outside of NE and now he's coming back to a different head coach. Who knows, maybe McDaniels got away with being an a-hole in NE because BB had everyone used to a-hole coaching. Vrabel seems less of an a-hole (though no pushover) and maybe that dynamic doesn't work. Maybe McDaniels had some reverence for BB because he gave him his start that he won't fully have for Vrabel and some of the bad creeps out.

I think it will mainly come down to what players they get and how they jive with McDaniels coaching style. I'm optimistic there won't be problems, but it's not some crazy thing to bring up either.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Getting a very good third down back will be essential.

That has been a missing part of the offense since James White's hip injury. A good third down back has always been a big part of the Pats offense, it is also important for WCO.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Wonder if Jaheim Bell can convert to FB.

It is either that or he will be cut.