PATRIOTS NEWS Josh McDaniels is back

[Ross12]

I am a big fan of this hiring. I think Josh is an underrated OC whose terrible HC stints unfairly color opinion on him too greatly.

He will be great for Maye. He will give Maye all the tools in his brain so that he doesn’t have to scramble all over the yard playing hero ball - he can win before the ball is even snapped by making the right adjustments.

Ben Johnson runs schemes that have similarities to McDaniels but also blend in modern concepts. I’m thinking McDaniels used his year off to tinker and come up with ideas to elevate his system in the same way.

It is interesting that both Vrabel and McDaniels were head coaches in 2023, both got fired that year (McDaniels in-season, Vrabel end of season), and then both took 1 year off from coaching. It’s entirely possible that they have planned to come back and work together the entire time and already have an elaborate set of ideas worked up.

 

[upstater1]

Love it.

Good hire.

My hunch is Rees was Vrabel’s option 1, followed by a group of evenly ranked candidates. Josh is the most stable bet and he made Mac friggin Jones look competent.

Rees did not have much experience at all as an NFL assistant. Almost all of the other names had more except for Udinski

 

[Tunescribe]

Yeah the 2nd coming of Josh was total garbage. Let's hope the 3rd will be better.

In 2021 under Josh McDaniels, the Patriots offense ranked sixth overall averaging 27.2 ppg. With a rookie quarterback, no less.

 

[EMpats]

Woohooo

Not looking outside the Patriots family again McDaniels is a myth with an overly complicated outdated system that has never developed an elite outside WR and that's sucked without Brady and don't give me Mac Jones, Mac Jones played about 5 good games.

Kraft hire.

This is a complete twisting of fact in about every way possible.

 

[signbabybrady]

It's the terminology I'm worried about. Every rookie from this year has no idea about the EP verbiage. And while that doesn't sound like a bit deal, it's time that will be wasted, when they could be working on the playbook.

You ever hear some of the terminology for the WC? It's not easy either. I get lost at that level lol I need pictures like in Madden.

 

[Ross12]

In 2021 under Josh McDaniels, the Patriots offense ranked sixth overall averaging 27.2 ppg. With a rookie quarterback, no less.

I’m assuming @Zuma is being sarcastic since McDaniels’ second stint consisted of 3 Super Bowl wins and 8 straight AFC championship appearances

 

[Huckleberry1]

Double post

 

[Zuma]

I’m assuming @Zuma is being sarcastic since McDaniels’ second stint consisted of 3 Super Bowl wins and 8 straight AFC championship appearances

Yeah twas sarcasm to the post I was responding to. I'm very happy he is back with the team even if it means there will be a learning curve for Maye.

 

[reflexblue]

Hes back....

 

[bakes781]

Yeah twas sarcasm to the post I was responding to. I'm very happy he is back with the team even if it means their will be a learning curve for Maye.

Speaking of learn. It's "there."

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Eh. I mean I don’t hate it. I know how good of an OC the guy can be.

But I wanted to start with someone new outside of this building. I’m tired of continuously recycling “our people.”

This is a new era. Stop trying to go back in time.

I’m all for going back in time
I’m not saying to use the same play calling
Good coordinators and coaches morph into what works now
But as far as Identity and structure
Hell ya bring me back in time
We dominated for 20 years

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Matt Patricia comes to mind.

BOB and AVP points per game were much lower than Matty P. But people keep piling on Matty P even though the stats say something different.

 

[Ross12]

Yeah twas sarcasm to the post I was responding to. I'm very happy he is back with the team even if it means their will be a learning curve for Maye.

I said in another post elsewhere - I think it’ll be a fairly vanilla first year as Maye gets up to speed, but in year 2 onward they will get more and more creative.

The good news is that they have several starter-level players with experience:
- starting C David Andrews
- starting G Mike Onwenu
- starting TE Hunter Henry
- starting RB Rhamondre Stevenson
- WRs Pop Douglas, Kayshon Boutte, Kendrick Bourne (the first two under Bill O’Brien, but same concepts)

 

[Toofy]

BOB and AVP points per game were much lower than Matty P. But people keep piling on Matty P even though the stats say something different.

In hindsight I think Matty P was onto something . If they won the final bills game we might have been in playoffs. Things would have looked really different i guess . I looked at stats and we were the only team with losing record who had a positive point differential (20+ ) .

The Packers game we should have won.

 

[archstanton543]

Good coordinators and coaches morph into what works now

Demonstrably not true.

 

[archstanton543]

The good news is that they have several starter-level players with experience:
- starting RB Rhamondre Stevenson

He's got experience putting it on the ground. I'm not sure how a new OC helps that.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I am a big fan of this hiring. I think Josh is an underrated OC whose terrible HC stints unfairly color opinion on him too greatly.

He will be great for Maye. He will give Maye all the tools in his brain so that he doesn’t have to scramble all over the yard playing hero ball - he can win before the ball is even snapped by making the right adjustments.

Ben Johnson runs schemes that have similarities to McDaniels but also blend in modern concepts. I’m thinking McDaniels used his year off to tinker and come up with ideas to elevate his system in the same way.

It is interesting that both Vrabel and McDaniels were head coaches in 2023, both got fired that year (McDaniels in-season, Vrabel end of season), and then both took 1 year off from coaching. It’s entirely possible that they have planned to come back and work together the entire time and already have an elaborate set of ideas worked up.

This is a great post.

I think Maye will love McDaniels. Maye will very quickly pick up reading the defense at the LOS and adjusting accordingly. I have no idea why a NFL franchise who has a smart instinctive QB like Maye would not want to adjust at the LOS to increase the chance of success.

Josh McDaniels does not mean there is no West Coast offense. Josh means that there is intelligence added at the LOS, and Maye is an intelligent QB. I think it is a great opportunity for Maye. Maye plus Vrabel and McDaniels is going to blow Maye's mind.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Demonstrably not true.

Why not? Where is your demonstrably proof? Do you have a link?

 

[ScottishPatriots]

This is a complete twisting of fact in about every way possible.

What about the fact Josh McDaniels has acted like a complete dbag everywhere when he wasn't babysat by Bill and fallen out with key players and everyone has hated him?

That's not a twisting of facts, that's just facts.

 

[upstater1]

McDaniels knows how to take advantage of open space. He knows how to wear a defense down and keep them on schedule. He is the opposite of an Arians chuck it downfield OC.

I prefer this style of offense.

Wear them down. Throw body blows. Take over in the 4th quarter when the defense is gassed.