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I should just ignore it but...I...cannnot... resist.....
Taping defensive signals in an earlier game gives you knowledge about the other team's offense?? How does that work?
I had no issue with what he said, he was speaking on the perception of the public that the championships were tainted, and will forever be, whether we believe that or not.
As fans who know what spygate actually was, we have 0 reason to believe anything is tainted, but ignorant media folk and fans of teams we've thrashed for the past decade will cling to it as an excuse for their inferior organization.
Harbaugh is not an idiot, and he is a far better coach than most others in the NFL, and he has been a pretty classy and standup guy for the most part, even in his losses. He has also done nothing but respect BB in the past, he shouldn't have had to apologize for what he said, it is just another case of the media twisting words once again, they changed the meaning of spygate, they put words in Harbaughs mouth, this is nothing new, they do it all the time. Look at Osi right now, Osi states that he isn't being a greedy pig, yet every articles title is written in a way to insinuate that the Giant's FO called him a greedy pig for not accepting an offer worth half of what an inferior player (Kiwanuka) is making.
This is a non story that has been twisted into something by the attention whoring media.
Just go with it.
here in "the 'burgh" boatloads of rejects still think that the taping of defensive signals is the sole reason Rodney had the "pick six".
The fact that the Jets had a "pick six" on the same exact play the week before meant nothing.
Plus, videotaping from the stands isn't even illegal. I do it all the time.
And Costas asked Goodell point blank about this question, and Goodell couldn't answer it because he knew it was legal. Goodell finally said, "But they weren't using a video recording device from the stands, Bob, they were using a camera recorder from the field."
That my friends is a difference without any distinction, and I apologize for confusing the Bills fan given his peabrain which can't understand basics.
LOL, that was epic tnx...I'll have to bookmark that for the dbag haters.
eh, it gets some basics wrong. Videotaping is legal as long as it's not from the field or an open space. You can videotape in the stadium from a space that has two walls. Also, your good friend (who doesn't work for the Patriots) can film from the stands.
Harbaugh was asked about the Saints bounty scandal and whether bending the rules was worth doing to gain advantage. Here is part of how he responded.
The human race is not as evolved as some may think. The lynch mob mentality still exists -- where facts are seldom welcomed.Listen, I hate the misperceptions about "Spygate" as much as anyone. But I can't argue with what he said ... in the minds of many across the country the Pats' titles are stained, meaning that episode shapes their perception.
Correct. As disturbing as it is to be reminded of that episode, reminded we will be -- every season for the rest of our lives, as long as we continue to follow the sport. Live with it, deal with it -- and get over it. That Uncle Sam big finger of blame will continue...as the evolutionary process moves very slowly...That to me — the perception — is what sucks the most. We as Pats fans can argue all day about the details and the real effect on games (not to mention the grossly incorrect stories that are still floated), but that perception will not change, and we will not get over that hump until the Pats win another Super Bowl or three.
How would that have helped his football team?
That is his concern. Whether other fans, coaches, players make comments like this years later means nothing to BB.
If yuo gave him the choice of being exonerated in the media and having his team losing focus or being villainized while his team stayed focussed there is no doubt what he would choose.
We can talk all we want about what he could have done that would be best for message board posters, but that was never part of the decision making process, nor should it have been,
+1 on this, although Harbaugh can be over the edge sometimes with his comments. That said, I don't think he actually says here that *he* believes the Pats were undeserving or wouldn't have won without the taping; I think he's just saying that's how public perception works.
I've gotta say, my reaction to all this when this news first broke was kind of similar. I think the championships the Pats won are completely deserved, and whatever marginal advantage that might have been gleaned from any taping is so miniscule as to not be much of an issue. What I never understood was why BB and his staff even bothered in the first place.
Those were GREAT teams (particularly '03-'04!) with a tremendous coaching staff that frankly didn't need any help. Regardless of the technical legality or illegality at that time, he's astute enough to understand that this sort of thing would be pretty controversial if it ever saw the light of day. Forgetting anyone outside the NE locker room for a moment, it always seemed BB inadvertently did a disservice *to his own players* to sanction anything of this sort, which after all really never had anything at all to do with them.
I felt actually felt pretty bad for Bruschi in that interview--he was a great player who always seemed to do things the right way, but he's clearly (and understandably) bothered and frustrated by the perception that the taping actually helped. FWIW I'm sure if Bruschi or the other NE players had ever been asked if they wanted this sort of "help", they would have roundly rejected it (because they would have understood they didn't need it!)
For me the ultimate question regarding "Spygate" isn't whether the championships are "tainted" (I've always thought this was untrue and overly simplistic). Rather, it is "Why even bother in the first place?" BB is a brilliant guy, but that decision was a genuine head-scratcher and unnecessarily opened NE's players to criticism that will follow them for a long time...all for an "advantage" that is negligible. I think this is what Harbaugh was trying to say, albeit in an all-thumbs sort of way--that he wants to avoid these sorts of things because the perception will stick even if the underlying facts are untrue.