Patriots Player Departure Jimmy Garoppolo traded to SF for 2018 2nd round draft pick

[archstanton543]

Its based on the evidence available. Just like you have an opinion based on evidence. The Patriots were unwilling to part with Jimmy in the offseason. We know that for a fact.

You have no evidence. You have what amounts to two rumors.

If you have evidence....real evidence not rumors from some sports reporters, that there was a deal on the table for a first rounder, I'd like to see it.

 

[Tunescribe]

So what you're saying is JG shot his way out of town? That's not a good look for the Pats and BB the GM.

I don't know if that's the right characterization, but the bottom line is he's tired of riding the bench, wants to start somewhere and it wasn't going to be in New England. BB had no choice if he was to get something in return.

 

[Ring 6]

So what you're saying is JG shot his way out of town? That's not a good look for the Pats and BB the GM.

No backup will stay as a backup if another team will give oyu the chance to start.
No one screwed with anyone, it was something that just was never going to happen.
BB waited until literally the last possible minute to dump his insurance policy.

 

[archstanton543]

There are just certain buzzwords anybody familiar with contract negotiation immediately recognizes. "We talked"; "We tried"; "We explored"; "We considered"; "He wanted"; "It became obvious". All these passive phrases actually mean, "We never put anything to paper." If there were an actual offer, you'd be hearing the main players saying things like "We presented"; "We offered"; "He rejected". I'm seeing none of the latter and a lot of the former.

And since when do the Pats say things like "We offered" and "he rejected"?

 

[Ring 6]

And you are citing fact? More people in the know and writers in Cleveland all believed a first rounder was definitely doable and most believed it was number 12. You see one tweet and you are ready to torpedo all that? come on. You need to be realistic here.

This is not correct. Mary Kay Cabot said she thought they would offer a 1.
There are zero reports of anyone getting any information saying they really were willing to. None.

 

[Bill Lee]

Why believe Ian over journalists in Cleveland? There was a ton of talk about offering a first round pick. Beddard said this morning that he believed the number 12 was on the table.

IMHO we can infer from the fact that JG just went for a 2nd that there were no "multiple 1sts" on the table from CLE or anyone else six months ago. I think it's a safe presumption that if there was that much demand, then BB would have gotten at least one 1st out of CLE or someone else right now.

Think about it: CLE sucks and now Hue Jackson is leaking that he wanted JG. Surely if the CLE organization thought JG was the answer, a 1st now would be no problem since in 2018 they have their own 1st and HOU's as well, along with 3 second rounders. But nope, all we got was SF's 2nd rounder, even when it's pretty clear CLE's 2nd rounder is gonna be better than SF's. Pretty much tells me CLE never did offer a 1st rounder, never mind multiple 1st rounders.

IMHO the whole "multiple 1sts for JG" was a mediot creation. The mediots have gotten a lot of mileage out of the JG saga and hopefully now they move on. From my own point of view, one of the best things about this trade is that we won't have to hear the whole JG story line all off season. JG is now part of the Pats history rather than future, for better or for worse.

 

[Tunescribe]

Wow. So it was all about Jimmy and that f-ing Brady screwed it up by not sucking?

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Brady was/is the starter until demonstrating incapability. That's the way it always has been.

There was literally nothing, short of a carrer ending injury that Brady could have done in the first 2 months of the 2017 season that would have cost him his job. He as not on an audition. JAG was a good backup, and BB wanted to keep him as a backup. Backups are important when the starter is older.

Wow, that is quite an admission on your behalf re., Brady's eventual fallability.

Your failure to accept that you were wrong that Brady was getting cut loose for Jimmy Boy, is making you look worst with every post. He was traded, you were wrong.

********. You are so hell bent on making me "wrong" about something. Tell me: WHAT was I wrong about? You can't. I wasn't wrong about anything.

 

[Ring 6]

IMHO we can infer from the fact that JG just went for a 2nd that there were no "multiple 1sts" on the table from CLE or anyone else six months ago. I think it's a safe presumption that if there was that much demand, then BB would have gotten at least one 1st out of CLE or someone else right now.

Think about it: CLE sucks and now Hue Jackson is leaking that he wanted JG. Surely if the CLE organization thought JG was the answer, a 1st now would be no problem since in 2018 they have their own 1st and HOU's as well, along with 3 second rounders. But nope, all we got was SF's 2nd rounder, even when it's pretty clear CLE's 2nd rounder is gonna be better than SF's. Pretty much tells me CLE never did offer a 1st rounder, never mind multiple 1st rounders.

IMHO the whole "multiple 1sts for JG" was a mediot creation. The mediots have gotten a lot of mileage out of the JG saga and hopefully now they move on. From my own point of view, one of the best things about this trade is that we won't have to hear the whole JG story line all off season. JG is now part of the Pats history rather than future, for better or for worse.

Terrific point. If Cleveland were willing to offer multiple firsts last April why couldn't they offer more than a 2nd now?

 

[chumpchange]

"I couldn't ask him to give us more than he's given us." -Bill Belichick re: Jimmy.

HA, I've used this line before, too, when dropping negotiations! The ultimate non-answering, passive phrase when explaining away why you didn't draft a contract. Since we all know Bill is a soft-heart who couldn't insult a backup player by anything so vulgar as written deal.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Its based on the evidence available. Just like you have an opinion based on evidence. The Patriots were unwilling to part with Jimmy in the offseason. We know that for a fact.

I see the problem. You are completely clueless as to what constitutes a fact.
Had BB or a Pats spokesperson gone on the record to say this, it would pretty much be a fact. We'll assume they're not liars.
Sundry reporters or sources saying it's so does NOT make it a fact.
Every day I read such "facts" in the news that are clearly not facts at all.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Can't argue with three of those, but the Osweiler thing was a classic NBA move.
Cleveland had cap space they were required to burn.

The Osweiler thing wasn't overpaying for Osweiler. It was buying a draft pick and getting Osweiler thrown in as the bag of balls.

 

[Ring 6]

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Brady was/is the starter until demonstrating incapability. That's the way it always has been.

You have been predicting Brady would be gone and JAG would take over.

Wow, that is quite an admission on your behalf re., Brady's eventual fallability.

Did you think he was expected to play until he was 55?

********. You are so hell bent on making me "wrong" about something. Tell me: WHAT was I wrong about? You can't. I wasn't wrong about anything.

the whole topic

 

[QuantumMechanic]

If that happens to Brady the season is over regardless of who the backup QB is, even if it was JG.

I think that's the key thing in BB's thinking and the thing that changed from the spring.

In the spring I think they kept JG because:
1) They felt the team was good enough for a very deep run even if Brady went down and JG had to take over for several games/rest of the year.
2) They were hoping they could get a bridge deal done.

Now here we are at the trading deadline. JG rejected any bridge deal. And the team isn't as good/deep as everyone hoped back in the spring. I think BB has concluded they they are screwed with anyone other than Brady -- which greatly lowers the insurance value of JG. So given that there's no realistic deep run w/o Brady and given that JG is gone at the end of this season, may as well trade him now and get something.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

JG is a free agent after this year. You can't trade a player once he's a free agent.

I was referring to the "decision" to move Garoppolo, which was not confined just to trading him. Clearly, you can't trade a Player who is a Free Agent, but the range of possible decisions was broader until he had that status.

 

[Bruins29]

Why did BB do it now and not in the offseason or after this season? .

Pats Fan since 74

Does not understand basic FA principles and trading.

Does not compute.

 

[Tunescribe]

You have been predicting Brady would be gone and JAG would take over. Did you think he was expected to play until he was 55? the whole topic

WHAT?! You are so full of crap. I don't know if you're sniffing glue or have me confused with someone else. I NEVER "predicted" Brady would be gone and JG would take over. I had expressed hope that JG eventually would succeed Brady when the time came and that the Patriots would find a way to keep him aboard long enough, which they apparently tried pretty hard at. Actually, you might want to ask yourself why.

Your blind Brady worship defies rationality. The guy is the GOAT but he won't last forever. All we can hope is that whoever eventually succeeds him is as promising as JG.

 

[Bruins29]

Instead, we're a year or two away from being the Jets! Enjoy it while it lasts Pats fans.

Well, your posting is certainly about the equivalent of the Jets. so you go that going for you.

 

[Ring 6]

I think that's the key thing in BB's thinking and the thing that changed from the spring.

In the spring I think they kept JG because:
1) They felt the team was good enough for a very deep run even if Brady went down and JG had to take over for several games/rest of the year.
2) They were hoping they could get a bridge deal done.

Now here we are at the trading deadline. JG rejected any bridge deal. And the team isn't as good/deep as everyone hoped back in the spring. I think BB has concluded they they are screwed with anyone other than Brady -- which greatly lowers the insurance value of JG. So given that there's no realistic deep run w/o Brady and given that JG is gone at the end of this season, may as well trade him now and get something.

I think he kept him, because he was an insurance policy and he wanted to keep him until the very last minute.
Trading him now says nothing about BBs changing his prospects for the season. Do you honestly think BB makes decisions from the arrogant approach that 'we are a 19-0 team' and then gives up on his team after 2 early season losses, while saying all along a football team is a work in progress and is never complete in October?
I would suggest that this team is about exactly where BB expected it to be, if he actually operated that way. Instead he builds a team and then understand it becomes what it becomes, and THAT is the work.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Let's agree to disagree and part ways calling each other JETES FANS!

 

[Bruins29]

I havent seen this much crying about a player leaving since WW left 5 years ago. The only difference is that WW actually played and made a big impact on the game. JAG stood on the sidelines and held a clipboard.

But but but....
Brady wont last forever
They could have traded him earler
They could have gotten 2 firsts
We have no backup (and wont ever?)
We could have gotten a 1st (yeahhhh a whole 10 spots higher maybe)