jemea thomas cut

[Zeus]

Not to sound like a **** but ...

Probably should have stopped right there.

There have been a bunch of practices, three preseason games and the team has cut a sixth round pick. You're certainly entitled to be disappointed - no problem with your opinion.

I'm not willing to judge the draft just yet - maybe in a few years.

 

[Ring 6]

No, but Belichick is not without flaw especially with the draft.

Do you agree he has more data and a better ability to assess it than you?
Do you think its possible to flawlessly conduct a draft of human beings?

I watched most of their games last season and in the years prior.

That wasn't the question. Did you STUDY their individual play as exhaustively as you would have to in order to make a proper recommendation if your job was NFL scout.

I played OT, LB, and DL in K-12 and LB in college.
Do you have training? Because you seem to believe you are empowered to disagree with my assessment, how is that any different from me offering my assessment?

Again, this is where you go off the rails.
I know you aren't trained to evaluate football players even if you dedicated the hours a full time NFL personel guy would, which we know you don't.
My ability to reject your opinion as unqualified does not take training, only common sense.
To answer your question I also played through college, and coached a little. I would NEVER try to give an unequivocal evaluation of a player without studying every play I could get film of, as well as if possible seeing him every day on the practice field and even pretend that the quality of my opinion compares in any way to a professional. Then if I had all the data they did, I would recognize that I have not spent 10, 20, or 40 years doing that kind of evaluation on NFL players, so I would think my assessment, if different than the expert, could turn out to be right, but that would happen a lot less than the times they would be right and I would be wrong.
Again common sense.

No I am implying that I did not like Stork or Halapio during the draft and I do not like them now.

So. State that and move on. Why do you insist on crying if people do not agree. I put about zero credence in your ability to second guess Bill Belichick. Since anyone drafting is 'wrong' at least half the time, you can criticize and ultimately be right, but its dumb luck not ability.

 

[Brady6]

You are a lightning rod for responses because you cry back at anyone who disagrees.
You also sound like you think your opinion, and prediction is right and anyone who disagrees is either stupid or illiterate. Read how you respond to people. Its not good.

No, I think people dismissing the fact that I said so far and arguing my opinion as if it was what I thought the draft class would be long term is wrong. I think posters should respond to the posts in their entirety and not just speak to the things that fit their objective, leaving out critical information. My saying so far means my assessment is up to now, that is all, response are being made without consideration for that.

You didn't do a 180 and get all positive about him after saying he was about the worst pick ever?
Come on now.

Go back and read the sixth round draft thread.

 

[Ring 6]

I disagree.

Nothing I said was childish, or disrespectful it was direct. If he is going to exaggerate things by posting about 2023, etc. I am not going to waste my time, if you he wants to have real discussion I am down for it.

Simply disliking my post is not reason to get angry, or to refer to it as childish, thinking my opinion has to the be the same as yours or I suck, that is childish, I respect others opinions even if I disagree with them.

You are in a battle royale with everyone else in the thread. You are insulting people. You are implying you have to be right and anyone who disagrees is stupid or illiterate.
Worse, you just keep banging your head against the wall hoping if you say the same thing for the 112th time, now everyone will tell you they agree and you are a genius. I think that is what he means.

 

[Brady6]

I'm not willing to judge the draft just yet - maybe in a few years.

You would not judge it so far?

The thing is this, right here you say things like I would not assess it for maybe a few years, yet in other threads people are condemning Wilson, Bequette, Boyce and others as awful picks, so how come we are giving these new players a few years but Boyce is a bum already? People pick and choose when to be patient and when not to be. It is not consistent, and therefore I cannot consider it accurate.

 

[Brady6]

You are in a battle royale with everyone else in the thread. You are insulting people. You are implying you have to be right and anyone who disagrees is stupid or illiterate.
Worse, you just keep banging your head against the wall hoping if you say the same thing for the 112th time, now everyone will tell you they agree and you are a genius. I think that is what he means.

No, you are just saying that because you believe it gives weight to your opinion. At the end of the day, what I said holds true, to this point and time the draft class has been disappointing, and nobody in this thread has said anything to discredit that, they have just suggested that it is too soon, or some other spin. That is you disagreeing with me assessing the draft today that is not relevant, I can assess the draft whenever I want, if you have something to discredit my assessment as of today feel free to share. Otherwise, I would suggest you move along, and stop trying to pump up your posts with exaggerations and villain accusations to disguise the lack of meaningful content in the post.

I keep responding to posts that people quote of mine, would you rather I ignore you or the others? I did not start these 112 interactions, I responded to them, if nobody quoted my posts I would not be talking about this, but you keep quoting it and I keep responding. I did not come in here and quote your post with my opinion, I wrote a post that was not directed at you whatsoever.

Find one post in this thread where I interacted with the poster first, where I quoted there post when it was not in response to them quoting my post first?

 

[Ring 6]

No, I think people dismissing the fact that I said so far and arguing my opinion as if it was what I thought the draft class would be long term is wrong. I think posters should respond to the posts in their entirety and not just speak to the things that fit their objective, leaving out critical information. My saying so far means my assessment is up to now, that is all, response are being made without consideration for that.

I think this says a lot.
People are not posting in honor of you. People are not going to post the way you want them to, and give an 'overall viewpoint of what you say'. Most poster do not have an objective, while you clearly do, and you are trying to win an argument to prove you were right.
You could be right or wrong, but what I got in this thread to discuss is that:
1) It is ridiculous to judge a draft class before they played a game and
2) Your expectations of draft picks are way, way out of line

I have no interest in exploring every vagary of your post, and understanding your philosophical feelings, and I don't think anyone else does.
If you cannot agree on 1 and 2 above, then why is this taking so many posts?
You seem to agree with 1.
As far as 2, its OK to disagree. You won't convince me otherwise.

 

[Ring 6]

You would not judge it so far?

The thing is this, right here you say things like I would not assess it for maybe a few years, yet in other threads people are condemning Wilson, Bequette, Boyce and others as awful picks, so how come we are giving these new players a few years but Boyce is a bum already? People pick and choose when to be patient and when not to be. It is not consistent, and therefore I cannot consider it accurate.

How can you say Zeus is inconsistent because OTHER PEOPLE say things that conflict with his view?

 

[Zeus]

You would not judge it so far?

The thing is this, right here you say things like I would not assess it for maybe a few years, yet in other threads people are condemning Wilson, Bequette, Boyce and others as awful picks, so how come we are giving these new players a few years but Boyce is a bum already? People pick and choose when to be patient and when not to be. It is not consistent, and therefore I cannot consider it accurate.

So far, I think we know very little (or at least I do). With respect to the players you mentioned, people can form whatever opinions they like, but the only opinions that matter belong to Belichick, Caserio and the rest of the coaching staff. I know I do not have the information, knowledge or experience to evaluate talent, performance or potential the way that BB can, having risen to the very top of his profession, now 40 years into his career.

 

[Ring 6]

No, you are just saying that because you believe it gives weight to your opinion. At the end of the day, what I said holds true, to this point and time the draft class has been disappointing, and nobody in this thread has said anything to discredit that, they have just suggested that it is too soon, or some other spin. That is you disagreeing with me assessing the draft today that is not relevant, I can assess the draft whenever I want, if you have something to discredit my assessment as of today feel free to share. Otherwise, I would suggest you move along, and stop trying to pump up your posts with exaggerations and villain accusations to disguise the lack of meaningful content in the post.

I keep responding to posts that people quote of mine, would you rather I ignore you or the others? I did not start these 112 interactions, I responded to them, if nobody quoted my posts I would not be talking about this, but you keep quoting it and I keep responding. I did not come in here and quote your post with my opinion, I wrote a post that was not directed at you whatsoever.

Find one post in this thread where I interacted with the poster first, where I quoted there post when it was not in response to them quoting my post first?

Wow.
Those are some scary thoughts rattling around in there. I'm done.
No interest in turning this board into paranoidfans.com

 

[Brady6]

So. State that and move on. Why do you insist on crying if people do not agree. I put about zero credence in your ability to second guess Bill Belichick. Since anyone drafting is 'wrong' at least half the time, you can criticize and ultimately be right, but its dumb luck not ability.

If someone quotes my post my interruption is that they want me to respond to them with something, so I do, I am not crying about anything, I am being polite and responding to my fellow members who quote my posts. I know if I quote your post, I do it because I am trying to engage in a discussion with you, not because I want you to move along.

 

[Ring 6]

If someone quotes my post my interruption is that they want me to respond to them with something, so I do, I am not crying about anything, I am being polite and responding to my fellow members who quote my posts. I know if I quote your post, I do it because I am trying to engage in a discussion with you, not because I want you to move along.

One last piece of unsolicited advice.
I do not think your posts and attitudes are viewed by others the way you intend them. You seem to deny the attitudes that seem very obviously coming through.

 

[patsinthesnow]

@cpriceNFL: Per @toddarcher, the Cowboys have claimed DB Jemea Thomas on waivers from the #Patriots.

 

[Galeb]

@cpriceNFL: Per @toddarcher, the Cowboys have claimed DB Jemea Thomas on waivers from the #Patriots.

Was hoping he would make the practice squad

 

[Love The Drake]

Its ok he is raw didn't have much time to show what he could do here.
I'd much rather have Daxton Swanson.

 

[Brady6]

One last piece of unsolicited advice.
I do not think your posts and attitudes are viewed by others the way you intend them. You seem to deny the attitudes that seem very obviously coming through.

I am just blunt and my humor is dry. It is not an attitude like the webinar comment that was more of a joke. Interpretation is open to the reader unfortunately. If the reader is agitated the likelihood is that he or she will assume the poster is as well, that is not always true.

 

[patchick]

@cpriceNFL: Per @toddarcher, the Cowboys have claimed DB Jemea Thomas on waivers from the #Patriots.

Not surprising, most Pats picks get a second look off the waiver wire. But there was no way he was going to beat out Butler here.

 

[Galeb]

Not surprising, most Pats picks get a second look off the waiver wire. But there was no way he was going to beat out Butler here.

What if he got a copy of the pics of BB that Bagel has.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

too bad he got picked up. Was hoping he'd be in new england. I think he can be a good player in the NFL

 

[supafly]

As others have mentioned, if the NEP and Belichick had serious ideas for J.Thomas making it to our practice squad, they probably wouldn't have cut him during the first round of cuts days ahead of time.