JaMarcus Russell-would you give him a 2nd chance?

[supafly]

You don't know that. Only Belichick and his coaches have any insight, at present.

Right..like I said, that debate in and of itself could go on forever, and that's why I stated that we really shouldn't debate that here in this specific thread. As I said, the likelihood of Mallett staying past this deal is pretty low in my opinion, but anything is possible and only Belichick + the coaches can really know.

The bottom line though is that adding a waste of a roster space to take away reps from Mallett and Kafka (and hell, even Brady with the new group of WR's) just doesn't sound like it makes much sense to me.

I listed 4 solid reasons why JaMarcus Russell wouldn't be a good fit here, and I'll admit that the Mallett/Kafka factor is probably the weakest of the 4 reasons, but there is still some validity in needing to see more of the backups than we have to this point. The addition of a guy like J.Russell who is a terrible fit for this offense, would do absolutely nothing to help benefit that aspect.

 

[belichick010405]

JaMarcus Russell - Unsigned Free Agent - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Russell is going to get a look from the Bears. Looks like Trestman is doing someone a favor in the CFL...

 

[lurker1965]

This is what I'm saying.

Those who think this Clown is worth the time of day are hysterical.

Dear Off the Grid,

If Belichick or someone says they'll look at this guy to compete with Kafka instead of the 32nd CB - or whomever is 90th on the roster - who probably won't make the team, are you going say it is a stupid move?

Heck, I say sign your mother in June. If she makes the 53, then we pay her. If not, we cut her and no foul.

That you have not thought this through is hysterical.

 

[lurker1965]

You clearly lack the mental capacity to express your rather asinine opinion without insulting your betters ~ which is all of us, in case you're wondering, as I expect you are. One might think that that would tell you something about the quality of your opinion...Yet somehow I expect that that, too, will elude you. :nooo:

See what I did there, Lurker, old Horse? There are many wonderful ways to convey your disdain without name-calling like a wailing, screeching 2 Year Old in a Sand Box who just dumped in'is Diaper.

Dear Off the Grid and out of his mind,

First off F*** you. (Is that asinine enough for you? BTW, if my betters appear it is not a moron like you.)

So you eschewed name calling? Are you as stupid as that? "assinine" is an insult. Saying you are a better is calling me a "lesser" (or whatever). I will not charge you for the education.

Now, until now, I think I've made my comments general. But if you insist on being called a moron, OK. You are a moron and unless I traveled to Europe, I don't think you are nobility either.

Supafly has adultly responded. She is wrong but at least not an arsehole.

 

[lurker1965]

I would not personally, no. I can respect differing opinions though, but I think you need to consider some of the other aspects first before having such a strong and bold opinion.



Several thoughts come to mind, just to give you a different perspective:

1. We have absolutely no real need for a 4th arm at this moment, and if we did it would likely be a developmental QB who has shown progress and a knack towards carrying out a cerebral offense such as ours.

Anyone who doesn't have the raw intelligence is automatically off the list in terms of actually making it here, and that goes triple for the position of QB. Having physical intangibles means nothing on many positions of this team if you cannot mesh that with sheer intelligence and a propensity to multi-task and think quickly on your feet.

The QB position here is obviously at the very top of the chart for these characteristics, especially in this particular system. That is likely just one of the reasons why we already don't have another developmental QB/camp fodder arm at the moment, although that could change if the right guy comes along.

JaMarcus Russell doesn't seem to have the immediate intelligence factor that one would need to run this kind of system, and my guess is that it would be a futile effort in attempting him to do so. He is the kind of athlete that would be much better off in a system run by other teams, not the pocket presence and defensive reads that are involved here in N.England.

2. We really seriously need to see if/what Ryan Mallett brings to the table at this point in time--if anything at all. I have no thoughts or ideas besides the lower percentage of chances in regards to him being swayed to stay for a 2nd pact, but the possibility may indeed exist, especially if Belichick actually feels that he could potentially be the next QB on this team. Again, I don't want to get into that whole discussion because there is a lot of grey area but the fact remains that we haven't seen enough of Mallett in preseason or actual purpose snaps to this point. If something happens we'd like to have him fairly comfortable with running this complex scheme, so adding another QB would just take away from any additional looks that we'd be seeing.

The same line of thinking could also be said for Kafka, although it is probably not in the same timeframe as it is with Mallett.

3. Just because there is a 90 man roster limit in TC now doesn't mean that Belichick is going to "waste" any space. At the moment we have 2 open spots with one of those needing to be addressed by a backup offensive lineman.

There is also the thought that the roster spot would be automatically wasted anyway, due to the sheer unlikelihood that Russell wouldn't be making the team for many of the reasons listed above.

4. Finally....we get to the attitude, work ethic, weight mgmt, leadership, and off the field concerns for J.Russell. This is a guy who had the world by the *** and decided that he'd rather get fat, lazy, and drink purple cough syrup drinks with codeine in them. Yes, I just typed that. This was a guy who was more interested in drinking "sizzurp" than he was taking care of himself, setting a good example, and being worthy of the #1 overall pick.

We've seen much better players with actual working knowledge of our system here shown the door for their attitudes rubbing off on some of the younger players. I wouldn't want to risk that happening with a player who would instantly gain national media attention for the absolute wrong reasons. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

We've all made mistakes, myself at the top of the list; but I don't look at JaMarcus Russell even in a "reformed" rule and instantly feel that he's a guy that Bill Belichick actually looks at towards building a team around at the most important position. I doubt Belichick would think twice if he were at a different position, let alone QB.

Just my thoughts though...you may disagree.

I disagree on all points.
Let me put it this way. If BB or scouting or whomever decides to sign him as a camp arm I'd raise an eyebrow.
I take it you (and many posters) would be furious.

 

[supafly]

I disagree on all points.
Let me put it this way. If BB or scouting or whomever decides to sign him as a camp arm I'd raise an eyebrow.
I take it you (and many posters) would be furious.

I wouldn't be "furious" lurker, but I'd be pretty damn surprised. Actually, if Belichick decided to bring in JaMarcus Russell I'd be outright shocked.

Nothing more than a difference of opinions though.

In this case you're definitely in the minority, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're wrong either. We will have to wait and see.

 

[Off The Grid]

Dear Off the Grid and out of his mind,

(1)First off F*** you. (Is that asinine enough for you?

BTW, (2) if my betters appear it is not a moron like you.)

So you eschewed name calling? (3) Are you as stupid as that? "assinine" is an insult.

(4) Saying you are a better is calling me a "lesser" (or whatever).

I will not charge you for the education.

Now, until now, I think I've made my comments general. But if you insist on being called a moron, OK. You are a moron and unless I traveled to Europe, I don't think you are nobility either.

Supafly has adultly responded. She is wrong but at least not an arsehole.

Oh, Lurker...

Allow me to number these for you, in the faint, forlorn hope that you can follow along...

1 ~ It's always good to see that I can boil you into an impotent RAGE, Lurker, old kid!!

2 ~ How ironic that you would issue this babbling gibberish while calling me a Moron. :redface:

3 ~ "Asinine" was actually quite explicitly directed at your comment, not at you, as I've already explained. Mind you: I expected that the distinction was beyond your Capacity to grasp, but it amused me to give you a shot at it, so that I could point and laugh as you stumbled and fumbled in response, precisely as you are now doing.

4 ~ So happy for you that you were able to figure that much out, at least, seeing's I was ~ out of consideration for your all too evidently abysmal level of reading comprehension ~ employing the most rudimentary English.

*By the way, even morbid curiosity wasn't enough to entice me to read the Private Message that you sent me, so I'm afraid that I deleted it, unread. Feel free to try again, though.

Perhaps you'll catch me at a charitable moment.

 

[Off The Grid]

I disagree on all points.
Let me put it this way. If BB or scouting or whomever decides to sign him as a camp arm I'd raise an eyebrow.

I take it you (and many posters) would be furious.

Sorry to break it to you, Lurker, old sport, but you're the only one getting worked up in a lather about this: What you're now doing ~ in your bewildering and disturbing Fantasy that the rest of us would for some reason be "furious" ~ is a classic case of "Projection", as evidenced by your amusing rage at the rest of us.

Just because you're throwing an entertaining tempter tantrum and tossing insults around like a wailing 2 Year old with freshly soiled Pampers, simply because the rest of us don't share your bizarre and disturbing obsession with a fat, lazy, slacker of a slob whose presence ~ as you clearly fail to grasp ~ would flush valuable Resources down the toilet ~ Money, Roster Space, Coach's Time ~ doesn't mean that any'f us share your amusing, psychotic rage. :nono:

But, hey...Good luck with that.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

I disagree on all points.
Let me put it this way. If BB or scouting or whomever decides to sign him as a camp arm I'd raise an eyebrow.
I take it you (and many posters) would be furious.

I'd be stunned at the idiocy of signing him as I am in anyone's thoughts that the Patriots would be interested in him. The idiocy in thinking that the Patriots would be interested in him is mind numbingly dumb. I can't believe that anyone would think that this guy would be a good choice for any football team or buffet for that matter. He had his chance and he slept and ate his way out of the NFL. Now the the guy loses 30 pounds of the 80 that he gained and he's some kind of reformed prospect? The stupidity is shocking and to suggest the Patriots would sign this guy is just preposterous. He's never done anything in the pros to suggest he could play in the first place.

I really hope this is a defense mechanism that you feel you need to stick to your thoughts on this because if not, please seek help.

 

[Off The Grid]

I'd be stunned at the idiocy of signing him as I am in anyone's thoughts that the Patriots would be interested in him. The idiocy in thinking that the Patriots would be interested in him is mind numbingly dumb. I can't believe that anyone would think that this guy would be a good choice for any football team or buffet for that matter. He had his chance and he slept and ate his way out of the NFL. Now the the guy loses 30 pounds of the 80 that he gained and he's some kind of reformed prospect? The stupidity is shocking and to suggest the Patriots would sign this guy is just preposterous. He's never done anything in the pros to suggest he could play in the first place.

I really hope this is a defense mechanism that you feel you need to stick to your thoughts on this because if not, please seek help.

Epic, Brother Goal...Epic!!

 

[Pewsterbaby]

Dear Off the Grid and out of his mind,

First off F*** you. (Is that asinine enough for you? BTW, if my betters appear it is not a moron like you.)

So you eschewed name calling? Are you as stupid as that? "assinine" is an insult. Saying you are a better is calling me a "lesser" (or whatever). I will not charge you for the education.

Now, until now, I think I've made my comments general. But if you insist on being called a moron, OK. You are a moron and unless I traveled to Europe, I don't think you are nobility either.

Supafly has adultly responded. She is wrong but at least not an arsehole.

Bravo. I've been waiting for someone to put a boot up this guy's arse for the longest time. Your blunt approach was in stark contrast to his flowery decorative personality. That's why it worked just so gosh-darn well. Well done.

 

[supafly]

Bravo. I've been waiting for someone to put a boot up this guy's arse for the longest time. Your blunt approach was in stark contrast to his flowery decorative personality. That's why it worked just so gosh-darn well. Well done.

I've never considered Off the Grid's personality to be "flowery and decorative," but I have found him to be quite fair unless lines are crossed, which is probably the same with most of us.

I think that you'll find him to be much more palatable in the future once you get to know him better. In other words, out of all of the posters here, I certainly wouldn't put him on the list for patsfans bullies or "know it alls."

You may feel differently however, so I completely understand that.

 

[Pewsterbaby]

I've never considered Off the Grid's personality to be "flowery and decorative," but I have found him to be quite fair unless lines are crossed, which is probably the same with most of us.

I think that you'll find him to be much more palatable in the future once you get to know him better. In other words, out of all of the posters here, I certainly wouldn't put him on the list for patsfans bullies or "know it alls."

You may feel differently however, so I completely understand that.

No, he's not a bully or know it all, as you pointed out. He's just too over the top for my taste. And whenever someone takes shots at him, there he is, at the quick, with meticulous retorts to every little thing which was said to him. Then he'll sprinkle it with "Grid Flavor". It leaves a sour taste in my mouth. My pallet is way too urban sophisticate for his Friar Tuck "brother this" and "brother that" mentality.
A few months ago, there was a thread about a player who had done something criminally wrong or whatever, I can't recall the specifics. Then Grid chimes in with something along the lines of "Don't worry, fellow brothers, for people who do such evil deeds can't sleep well at night and know deep down inside what a rotten person they are."
Well, I decided to illuminate Grid as to the existence of sociopaths and how well they sleep at night and what a high opinion they have of themselves no matter what damage they do unto others. I told him to come down to Brooklyn and I'd take him by the hand as we transverse a veritable police lineup of some of the scum who live on my street. I'd introduce him to a few murderers and rapists.
Grid, having had someone effectively prove him wrong as to his assessment of all who do wrong in this world, decides to take a shot at me. He told me that MY wanting to murder HIM was offputting. It was the most childish spin I'd ever seen attempted.
He pulled that b.s. right outta his arse because he didn't have anything to say about my illuminating him to people who're mentally & emotionally INDIFFERENT to committing heinous acts in this world.
He thinks none of them can sleep well at night and think themselves vile? Oh, I beg to differ. One out of every 200 persons in American Society is a sociopath, and the vast majority of them sleep like a baby.
Guess that doesn't fit with OffTheGrid's commune rose colored glasses.

So... yeah. There ya go, supafly. There's my dealio with "brother" Grid. And I bet he'd be chomping at the bit to take me to task upon seeing this. Hey Grid, do us a favor and remain mum for once. Show some literary restraint and give some us a rest from that frigging personality. You're an acquired taste New York City would chew up and spit out so fast your head would spin.

 

[Gumby]

Sorry to break it to you, Lurker, old sport, but you're the only one getting worked up in a lather about this: What you're now doing ~ in your bewildering and disturbing Fantasy that the rest of us would for some reason be "furious" ~ is a classic case of "Projection", as evidenced by your amusing rage at the rest of us.

Just because you're throwing an entertaining tempter tantrum and tossing insults around like a wailing 2 Year old with freshly soiled Pampers, simply because the rest of us don't share your bizarre and disturbing obsession with a fat, lazy, slacker of a slob whose presence ~ as you clearly fail to grasp ~ would flush valuable Resources down the toilet ~ Money, Roster Space, Coach's Time ~ doesn't mean that any'f us share your amusing, psychotic rage. :nono:

But, hey...Good luck with that.

After getting over my shock that this preposterous thread is still ALIVE after 90+ posts and multiple days.....

the only thought that could come to my mind while reading OTG's latest rebuttal is: Has anyone checked Lurker's IP to make sure it doesnt match up to Jamarcus' home address? (or his Mom's) - at least that would explain the insanity.

 

[supafly]

So... yeah. There ya go, supafly. There's my dealio with "brother" Grid. And I bet he'd be chomping at the bit to take me to task upon seeing this. Hey Grid, do us a favor and remain mum for once. Show some literary restraint and give some us a rest from that frigging personality. You're an acquired taste New York City would chew up and spit out so fast your head would spin.

Fair enough, my friend. Sorry to hear about your bad experience.

 

[supafly]

the only thought that could come to my mind while reading OTG's latest rebuttal is: Has anyone checked Lurker's IP to make sure it doesnt match up to Jamarcus' home address? (or his Mom's) - at least that would explain the insanity.

I have no problem whatsoever with Lurker1965's thoughts about giving a certain player a chance (although I don't agree with it at all). What I mostly don't agree with is his thinking that "we have 90 spots, so if he doesn't make it, he doesn't make it." And the "I'd sign my grandmother and give her a shot" thinking.

Those 90 roster spots are just as precious as when it was 80, and Belichick is going to take few shots at people who he doesn't think have a reasonable chance at making the roster or at least contributing in a training camp fodder setting.

J.Russell may/may not have some physical talent to offer someone as a potential backup QB etc, but I don't think he'd have anything close to the cerebral talent/skill set that would be needed to run this kind of offense.

At any rate--different people have different opinions, so no big deal.

 

[Off The Grid]

I've never considered Off the Grid's personality to be "flowery and decorative," but I have found him to be quite fair unless lines are crossed, which is probably the same with most of us.

I think that you'll find him to be much more palatable in the future once you get to know him better. In other words, out of all of the posters here, I certainly wouldn't put him on the list for patsfans bullies or "know it alls."

You may feel differently however, so I completely understand that.

Thanks, Brother Fly.

I consider you a Pacifist, in the very finest and most admirable sense of the word, though I do hope you'll correct me if I've misjudged you, for it is a very strong attribute to...attribute...to someone.

But don't bother yourself on my Account, when it comes to that thing.

And I say the following only as a courtesy to you, who is perhaps the most courteous of us all:

There's an important distinction to be made, here.

I believe that Lurker acted foolishly and rudely, and it amused me to rub his face in it.

But Lurker, while I ignored his presumably vile PM, at least ~ albeit barely ~ warranted a response.

That...thing...that you responded to, on the other hand...does not.

I settled his hash for'm once.

And once is all it takes.

And it's quite clear that he will spend the rest'f'is life repeatedly lashing out impotently at me. I had not given this...thing...anything but a passing, bemused chuckle of a thought since I rubbed his face in'is own sociopathic excrement, some time ago...But it's quite evident from his long, rambling, and frantic, slobbering, snot-bubbling responses, here, that he's given me quite a great deal of thought, ere these many Moons!!

I can't say that I'm in the least bit surprised. :nooo:

But I simply cannot imagine any circumstance that would warrant a response to the likes of him.

 

[Joker]

 

[Fencer]

Bring in Russell and Tebow to compete with each other for a roster spot.

:tea: :nono: :tea:

 

[Joker]

Bring in Russell and Tebow to compete with each other for a roster spot.

:tea: :nono: :tea:

nice...total annihilation...matter meets anti-matter