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Would you sign Russell?

  • Yes, have him compete with Mallett/Kafka

    Votes: 10 11.1%
  • No, are you dumb, he's terrible!

    Votes: 80 88.9%

  • Total voters
    90
Anyone voting No is an idiot. Seriously.

If he can play, cool. If he can't, cut him. What the heck do you lose for kicking the tires?

I did not say sign him to guaranteed money, you morons.

You should probably take something for that.

...
 
give him a 2nd chance? No...give him that purple drank? Hell ya
 
Losing 60 pounds will not cure his Defense Illiteracy.

He'd be a waste of roster space

 
would you give Ryan Leaf a second chance?

if you would you're gonna have to wait seven years for him to get out of Deer Lodge State prison in Montany...

 
would you give Ryan Leaf a second chance?

if you would you're gonna have to wait seven years for him to get out of Deer Lodge State prison in Montany...


Hi Joker - unlike Leaf, JaMarcus Russell is not in prison and if he clears any background hurdles, then yes, I would give Russell a look and then maybe he gets a job and perhaps he gets the kind of quarterback coaching that would help him succeed in the NFL because as far as I am concerned, Russell was at the wrong college program (LSU is not a breeding ground for the development of NFL ready quarterbacks) and definitely at the wrong NFL franchise (Raiders) to learn how to be an NFL quarterback.

The man still has a set of unique skills that NFL quarterbacks would like to have and it is not the first time that a 1st round quarterback was left for dead only to succeed later in life.

See Jim Plunkett and Alex Smith as reference points as two quarterbacks that were left for dead only to succeed.
 
See Jim Plunkett and Alex Smith as reference points as two quarterbacks that were left for dead only to succeed.

Yes, but unlike Russell ~ and Leaf, hence the appropriate corollary ~ they weren't Brain Damaged.

Russell can sling the ball far and fast.

Yippee.

That doesn't make mean than Russell is a QuarterBack.
 
would you give Ryan Leaf a second chance?

if you would you're gonna have to wait seven years for him to get out of Deer Lodge State prison in Montany...


That's awesome. Did you know that he was living with'is Parents?

And that the reason he was arrested in the first place ~ for about the 427th time, mind you ~ was that he was breaking into people's homes and stealing their prescription Meds?? This, mind you, after previously being busted for breaking into the rooms and stealing Meds of Players who he was coaching at West Texas A&M??

I love it when they do those Where Are They Now Documentaries, and the guys are like "Oh, Yeah. Sure, I hit a few bumps, but I've got it ALL turned around, NOW, and I've never been happier!!"

Leaf pretty much said those very words on an ESPN thing in 2008.

Heh.

Nice Threads, Though...



No kidding ~ I'd pay good money for that Look!!

If only I'd known...:nooo:
 
Yes, but unlike Russell ~ and Leaf, hence the appropriate corollary ~ they weren't Brain Damaged.

Russell can sling the ball far and fast.

Yippee.

That doesn't make mean than Russell is a QuarterBack.

I didn't realize that you were a doctor.
 
I can't honestly believe that we're even having this discussion....

I mean---out of ALL of the possible NFL caliber players, we're talking about JaMarcus Russell?

Hell, I wouldn't have given him a first chance...let alone a second chance.
 
I think there are plenty of teams out there that should take the risk. Clearly the Patriots don't need a QB right now but there are teams that he would improve if he has the right attitude and from what I've seen it certainly looks like he has the focus and determination to make a real go of it now.

The Jags and the Browns should take a serious look at him I think, neither are in a good situation at QB.
 
I can't honestly believe that we're even having this discussion....

I mean---out of ALL of the possible NFL caliber players, we're talking about JaMarcus Russell?

Hell, I wouldn't have given him a first chance...let alone a second chance.

You mean you would not take him as a camp body?
 
He'd be a waste of roster space
...

Guess what Joe. Roster is 90.

No one is suggesting he'll compete with Brady. He's a camp body competing with Kafka. Would you be upset with the addition of a UDFA from a division 3 school because the 90 is inviolate?
 
I can't honestly believe that we're even having this discussion....

I mean---out of ALL of the possible NFL caliber players, we're talking about JaMarcus Russell?

Hell, I wouldn't have given him a first chance...let alone a second chance.

This is what I'm saying.

Those who think this Clown is worth the time of day are hysterical.
 
would you give Ryan Leaf a second chance?

if you would you're gonna have to wait seven years for him to get out of Deer Lodge State prison in Montany...


If he is free, yes.

Geez you morons, it is June 1st. Roster is 90. We are talking camp bodies who if you don't give them guaranteed money are cutable if they suck.

Heck sign my grandmother's reanimated corpse, Ryan Leaf and big foot. (Wait a minute, that would be a scary team. )
 
You mean you would not take him as a camp body?

I would not personally, no. I can respect differing opinions though, but I think you need to consider some of the other aspects first before having such a strong and bold opinion.

Geez you morons, it is June 1st. Roster is 90. We are talking camp bodies who if you don't give them guaranteed money are cutable if they suck.

Several thoughts come to mind, just to give you a different perspective:

1. We have absolutely no real need for a 4th arm at this moment, and if we did it would likely be a developmental QB who has shown progress and a knack towards carrying out a cerebral offense such as ours.

Anyone who doesn't have the raw intelligence is automatically off the list in terms of actually making it here, and that goes triple for the position of QB. Having physical intangibles means nothing on many positions of this team if you cannot mesh that with sheer intelligence and a propensity to multi-task and think quickly on your feet.

The QB position here is obviously at the very top of the chart for these characteristics, especially in this particular system. That is likely just one of the reasons why we already don't have another developmental QB/camp fodder arm at the moment, although that could change if the right guy comes along.

JaMarcus Russell doesn't seem to have the immediate intelligence factor that one would need to run this kind of system, and my guess is that it would be a futile effort in attempting him to do so. He is the kind of athlete that would be much better off in a system run by other teams, not the pocket presence and defensive reads that are involved here in N.England.

2. We really seriously need to see if/what Ryan Mallett brings to the table at this point in time--if anything at all. I have no thoughts or ideas besides the lower percentage of chances in regards to him being swayed to stay for a 2nd pact, but the possibility may indeed exist, especially if Belichick actually feels that he could potentially be the next QB on this team. Again, I don't want to get into that whole discussion because there is a lot of grey area but the fact remains that we haven't seen enough of Mallett in preseason or actual purpose snaps to this point. If something happens we'd like to have him fairly comfortable with running this complex scheme, so adding another QB would just take away from any additional looks that we'd be seeing.

The same line of thinking could also be said for Kafka, although it is probably not in the same timeframe as it is with Mallett.

3. Just because there is a 90 man roster limit in TC now doesn't mean that Belichick is going to "waste" any space. At the moment we have 2 open spots with one of those needing to be addressed by a backup offensive lineman.

There is also the thought that the roster spot would be automatically wasted anyway, due to the sheer unlikelihood that Russell wouldn't be making the team for many of the reasons listed above.

4. Finally....we get to the attitude, work ethic, weight mgmt, leadership, and off the field concerns for J.Russell. This is a guy who had the world by the *** and decided that he'd rather get fat, lazy, and drink purple cough syrup drinks with codeine in them. Yes, I just typed that. This was a guy who was more interested in drinking "sizzurp" than he was taking care of himself, setting a good example, and being worthy of the #1 overall pick.

We've seen much better players with actual working knowledge of our system here shown the door for their attitudes rubbing off on some of the younger players. I wouldn't want to risk that happening with a player who would instantly gain national media attention for the absolute wrong reasons. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

We've all made mistakes, myself at the top of the list; but I don't look at JaMarcus Russell even in a "reformed" rule and instantly feel that he's a guy that Bill Belichick actually looks at towards building a team around at the most important position. I doubt Belichick would think twice if he were at a different position, let alone QB.

Just my thoughts though...you may disagree.
 
If he is free, yes.

Geez you morons, it is June 1st.

You clearly lack the mental capacity to express your rather asinine opinion without insulting your betters ~ which is all of us, in case you're wondering, as I expect you are. One might think that that would tell you something about the quality of your opinion...Yet somehow I expect that that, too, will elude you. :nooo:

See what I did there, Lurker, old Horse? There are many wonderful ways to convey your disdain without name-calling like a wailing, screeching 2 Year Old in a Sand Box who just dumped in'is Diaper.
 
I would not personally, no. I can respect differing opinions though, but I think you need to consider some of the other aspects first before having such a strong and bold opinion.



Several thoughts come to mind, just to give you a different perspective:

1. We have absolutely no real need for a 4th arm at this moment, and if we did it would likely be a developmental QB who has shown progress and a knack towards carrying out a cerebral offense such as ours.

Anyone who doesn't have the raw intelligence is automatically off the list in terms of actually making it here, and that goes triple for the position of QB. Having physical intangibles means nothing on many positions of this team if you cannot mesh that with sheer intelligence and a propensity to multi-task and think quickly on your feet.

The QB position here is obviously at the very top of the chart for these characteristics, especially in this particular system. That is likely just one of the reasons why we already don't have another developmental QB/camp fodder arm at the moment, although that could change if the right guy comes along.

JaMarcus Russell doesn't seem to have the immediate intelligence factor that one would need to run this kind of system, and my guess is that it would be a futile effort in attempting him to do so. He is the kind of athlete that would be much better off in a system run by other teams, not the pocket presence and defensive reads that are involved here in N.England.

2. We really seriously need to see if/what Ryan Mallett brings to the table at this point in time--if anything at all. I have no thoughts or ideas besides the lower percentage of chances in regards to him being swayed to stay for a 2nd pact, but the possibility may indeed exist, especially if Belichick actually feels that he could potentially be the next QB on this team. Again, I don't want to get into that whole discussion because there is a lot of grey area but the fact remains that we haven't seen enough of Mallett in preseason or actual purpose snaps to this point. If something happens we'd like to have him fairly comfortable with running this complex scheme, so adding another QB would just take away from any additional looks that we'd be seeing.

The same line of thinking could also be said for Kafka, although it is probably not in the same timeframe as it is with Mallett.

3. Just because there is a 90 man roster limit in TC now doesn't mean that Belichick is going to "waste" any space. At the moment we have 2 open spots with one of those needing to be addressed by a backup offensive lineman.

There is also the thought that the roster spot would be automatically wasted anyway, due to the sheer unlikelihood that Russell wouldn't be making the team for many of the reasons listed above.

4. Finally....we get to the attitude, work ethic, weight mgmt, leadership, and off the field concerns for J.Russell. This is a guy who had the world by the *** and decided that he'd rather get fat, lazy, and drink purple cough syrup drinks with codeine in them. Yes, I just typed that. This was a guy who was more interested in drinking "sizzurp" than he was taking care of himself, setting a good example, and being worthy of the #1 overall pick.

We've seen much better players with actual working knowledge of our system here shown the door for their attitudes rubbing off on some of the younger players. I wouldn't want to risk that happening with a player who would instantly gain national media attention for the absolute wrong reasons. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

We've all made mistakes, myself at the top of the list; but I don't look at JaMarcus Russell even in a "reformed" rule and instantly feel that he's a guy that Bill Belichick actually looks at towards building a team around at the most important position. I doubt Belichick would think twice if he were at a different position, let alone QB.

Just my thoughts though...you may disagree.

This isn't really related to Russell, but let's have a Mallett discussion.

-Based on what we've seen of Mallett in practice in the preseason, if Brady ever went down, IMO our season with Mallett starting would look like this:



-Mallett's trade value is dead, so there is essentially no reason to keep him unless he is a capable backup, I don't see him as one. Not one GM felt he was worth a 2nd round pick in the worst QB class in a decade. NO GM will trade anything for him next year with Bridgewater, Manziel, Boyd, Fales, etc, possibly a better QB class than 2012.

-As Cassel proved, our season doesn't have to be over if Brady was done for the season. Brady is 36 years old, we should have a capable backup behind him. Mallett needs competition for that job, so we never have to see 20 yard overthrows of Amendola in the regular season.

Mallett is in no way, shape or form, the successor to TFB-Brady has 5 years left, Mallett won't be the backup for 7 straight years.
 
This isn't really related to Russell, but let's have a Mallett discussion.

-Based on what we've seen of Mallett in practice in the preseason, if Brady ever went down, IMO our season with Mallett starting would look like this:



-Mallett's trade value is dead, so there is essentially no reason to keep him unless he is a capable backup, I don't see him as one. Not one GM felt he was worth a 2nd round pick in the worst QB class in a decade. NO GM will trade anything for him next year with Bridgewater, Manziel, Boyd, Fales, etc, possibly a better QB class than 2012.

-As Cassel proved, our season doesn't have to be over if Brady was done for the season. Brady is 36 years old, we should have a capable backup behind him. Mallett needs competition for that job, so we never have to see 20 yard overthrows of Amendola in the regular season.

Mallett is in no way, shape or form, the successor to TFB-Brady has 5 years left, Mallett won't be the backup for 7 straight years.


You don't know that. Only Belichick and his coaches have any insight, at present.
 
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