J.C. Jackson - "It's time to get Mr. INT paid."

[Triumph]

Josh Allen scored on every drive against the Patriots in the last two games he played against the Pats. In the last game, he had a TD on every drive. The only reason he didn't have a TD on every drive in the game before were because Allen's receivers dropped passes in the end zone. How much better could Allen do against the Patriots without Jackson?

The fact is when the Pats were able to produce good pressure on QBs with a four man rush, this defense absolutely stymied the opposing passing offenses. When they didn't, teams picked apart the defense.

Personally, I want to beef up the front seven. The Pats can get a consistent pass rush without blitzing, they have shown that they can survive with an average or even mediocre secondary. That will also help against the running game.

Because the Pats offense could not sustain drives.

In the Wildcard, NE score its first TD with 4:12 to go in the 3rd quarter. The longest NE drive was to close out the game when Buffalo was happy to let NE chew up the clock. 3 NE drives lasted 2:17 or less and 3 other NE drives lasted 4:05 or less. Brady did not let Manumeas and KC have the ball in the first half of the 2018 AFCC win.

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Buffalo @ NE game. Buffalo ran the ball for 314 yards and MAC threw 2 INTs. Again, 5 NE drives lasted 1: 37 or less. Pathetic. NE did not score its 2nd TD until 1: 44 remained in the 3rd quarter.

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[sb1]

4/7 for 90 yards is cleaning someone's clock?

When you're talking about Davis Mills and not Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes? Yep.

This was on JCJ. Moore embarrassed him here.

 

[ashley]

When you're talking about Davis Mills and not Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes? Yep.

This was on JCJ. Moore embarrassed him here.

Every corner is going to get beat now and again....I'll post the below stats for JC which are pretty good.

 

[Rob0729]

Because the Pats offense could not sustain drives.

In the Wildcard, NE score its first TD with 4:12 to go in the 3rd quarter. The longest NE drive was to close out the game when Buffalo was happy to let NE chew up the clock. 3 NE drives lasted 2:17 or less and 3 other NE drives lasted 4:05 or less. Brady did not let Manumeas and KC have the ball in the first half of the 2018 AFCC win.

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New England Patriots 17 at Buffalo Bills 47 on January 15th, 2022 - Full team and player stats and box score

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Buffalo @ NE game. Buffalo ran the ball for 314 yards and MAC threw 2 INTs. Again, 5 NE drives lasted 1: 37 or less. Pathetic. NE did not score its 2nd TD until 1: 44 remained in the 3rd quarter.

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Stop it! It wasn't the offenses fault the defense totally collapsed. The defense gave Allen time to eat a sandwich in the pocket and they were converting so many first and second downs that they barely even had to convert third downs in either game.

 

[Love The Drake]

A sign and trade for even a second in much more valuable Than a comp third next season.
I’m holding on to hope for a Jackson for Ridley and or Jarret deal.
I’ll throw this out there as well JC Jackson franchised and traded for Jerry Jeudy.
Would give Denver a scary secondary which is what they need.

 

[sb1]

Every corner is going to get beat now and again....I'll post the below stats for JC which are pretty good.

He is very good. I don't know though... when I think elite shutdown corner that should be paid like one I think someone like Revis and when I watch JCJ I don't feel he's at that level. Or even Gilmore's. I remember Gilmore saving the Patriots season in the 2017 AFCCG.

 

[venecol]

The difference is the Pats will get draft compensation from the team signing Jackson. Most likely a first rounder.

Nobody is signing Jackson and giving up a 1st rounder UNLESS he agrees.

What do you think JC's preference is:

1) Go into FAcy completely unrestrained where he has the chance to entertain several offers and pick the one he wants, or

2) Get tagged & traded to a team he didn't pick where a 1st rnd comp factors into his overall compensation?

It's #1 obviously. He's already said he'll play if he gets franchise tagged, so he has no incentive in signing the tag early to help out the Pats, unless he's 100% in on whatever the trade gets him. That's unlikely to happen. So if he gets tagged, he'll wait until the end to sign and play for the Pats then bolt like Thuney did.

 

[jdlboot14]

Doesn't feel like JC will stay. I don't know if the Tag makes sense for our cap room this season.

BB sucks at drafting WR's, but he's pretty good at DB. Plenty of rookie contributions at DB over the years, including the last 2 undrafted success stories - Butler & Jackson. Maybe he can do it again. And we have Wade - who should be a great candidate for a breakout player at CB.

 

[*ChungFu*]

The names on defense overall is going to change pretty significantly next year. JC has been a bright spot, but I've heard nothing to indicate he's a leader. I think McCourty and Guy are two guys that can still play adequately and help the transition while not breaking the bank. JC has out priced himself on a team that needs a little more from him than stats.

 

[PatsFan2]

If Belichick does that, he is a moron. He won't. If he is playing elsewhere next year, there is no way he won't be tagged and traded. The Pats can get far more than a 3rd round comp in 2023 in that scenario. I will stand by my first round pick prediction.

Either JC Jackson plays for the Patriots in 2022 or he will be tagged and traded. He is too valuable of a trade chip to just walk.

JC will not fetch a First book it!

 

[Love The Drake]

JC will not fetch a First book it!

A second or a WR.
Looking at Ridley, or Lockett.

 

[ashley]

He is very good. I don't know though... when I think elite shutdown corner that should be paid like one I think someone like Revis and when I watch JCJ I don't feel he's at that level. Or even Gilmore's. I remember Gilmore saving the Patriots season in the 2017 AFCCG.

Yeah I agree, I think players like Revis, Gilmore, Deon, Sherman, Ty Law are extremely tough to come by. These top corners now are going to give up plays(evidence of Ramsey in the playoffs and SB). I think with the defense that BB likes to play, it is imperative that we have good corner back play....I hope JC comes back because I think he's a good player, but the questions is does it make sense financially when we still need help at LB, wr and dt.....should be an exiting time.

 

[XLIX]

There hasn't been a top CB who has been tagged and traded in recent years. Why? Because in today's pass happy NFL, CBs are arguably the second most important position in football.

LOL! I have some bad news for you: They certainly don't get paid like the 2nd most important position in football. If you look at franchise tag values, the CB position is 5th behind DEs, WRs and LBs.

And I gave you two DEs who got far more than a first rounder. I used them because they were the closest comps to Jackson. Was I supposed to use Jarvis Landry as a very good, but not top WR? Or Jadeveon Clowney who came with a lot of baggage when he was tagged and traded?

My comment referred specifically to cornerbacks, and you responded with DE's (which is the true "second most important position in football"). So yeah, you didn't give a good example to counter my point.

And Jackson wants to get paid. If he gets paid top dollar by another team that doesn't completely suck, he is likely to go along with it.

Neither you nor I have the first clue what Jackson really wants or what he would be willing to accept in lieu of UFA.

 

[Rob0729]

Nobody is signing Jackson and giving up a 1st rounder UNLESS he agrees.

What do you think JC's preference is:

1) Go into FAcy completely unrestrained where he has the chance to entertain several offers and pick the one he wants, or

2) Get tagged & traded to a team he didn't pick where a 1st rnd comp factors into his overall compensation?

It's #1 obviously. He's already said he'll play if he gets franchise tagged, so he has no incentive in signing the tag early to help out the Pats, unless he's 100% in on whatever the trade gets him. That's unlikely to happen. So if he gets tagged, he'll wait until the end to sign and play for the Pats then bolt like Thuney did.

That isn't Jackson's choice. Of course he doesn't want to be tagged and traded. He wants to be a free agent. He doesn't have the choice. The Pats do. He cannot tell the Pats he refuses to be tagged.

And if he gets tagged and traded and he is immediately one of the highest paid CB in the NFL, possibly the highest. When teams trade for a tagged player, they pay him top dollar. They don't expect a discount because they gave up a first round pick.

For example when Matt Cassel was traded to the Chiefs, the Chiefs signed him to a whopping six year, $63 million deal with $28 million guaranteed. In 2009, Cassel had a bigger contract than Brady. Brady was in his last year of a 4 year, $48 million contract. So the Chiefs gave Matt Cassel a better deal than Brady had in 2005 and not that much worse considering than the deal that Brady got in 2010 (4 years, $72 million with $18 million guaranteed).

If Jackson is tagged and traded, he could get more than Jalen Ramsey. It doesn't work the other way around.

But I agree with you. There is no incentive for Jackson to help the Pats trade him and get him a five or six year deal for $18-20 million plus a year when he can play for a more desirable one year deal for $17.4 million and hope he doesn't blow out his knee or play like crap in 2022 so he can cash in during the 2023 offseason if he isn't tagged again. Makes perfect sense.

 

[mgteich]

None of this is about Jackson until after the season starts. The decision is for the patriots to make.

THEN, Jackson can decide when to sign the tag, if there is one.

I guess some of you think that someone (a team that Jackson will accept) will give Jackson a long-term $20M year contract AND give us a first or second. ALSO, you seem to think that this same team won't trade for him July.

 

[Rob0729]

LOL! I have some bad news for you: They certainly don't get paid like the 2nd most important position in football. If you look at franchise tag values, the CB position is 5th behind DEs, WRs and LBs.

My comment referred specifically to cornerbacks, and you responded with DE's (which is the true "second most important position in football"). So yeah, you didn't give a good example to counter my point.

Neither you nor I have the first clue what Jackson really wants or what he would be willing to accept in lieu of UFA.

And I discounted the CB compensation accordingly. The top DE compensation is either a first and second or a first and two thirds based on prior history. A CB compensation at one first is way lower than a DE. I think that is a fair discount.

And I asked you to provide me a with a CB who has been tagged and traded to counter my argument and you haven't. I am going on the information available. You are going on nothing other than your gut.

 

[XLIX]

And I discounted the CB compensation accordingly. The top DE compensation is either a first and second or a first and two thirds based on prior history. A CB compensation at one first is way lower than a DE. I think that is a fair discount.

And I asked you to provide me a with a CB who has been tagged and traded to counter my argument and you haven't. I am going on the information available. You are going on nothing other than your gut.

Whuh whuh huh whuh? I am saying Jackson will not command a first round pick in a tag-and-trade situation. It falls on you to provide the counter to that. (You tried to counter it with 3 examples from other positions, but those are completely irrelevant since I specifically indicated I was talking about CBs).

I am done arguing this sidebar. I will simply return to my original statement which I stand by, and advice you would be wise to heed:

A first rounder for a CB not even under contract? Don’t get your hopes up.

 

[Rob0729]

Whuh whuh huh whuh? I am saying Jackson will not command a first round pick in a tag-and-trade situation. It falls on you to provide the counter to that. (You tried to counter it with 3 examples from other positions, but those are completely irrelevant since I specifically indicated I was talking about CBs).

I am done arguing this sidebar. I will simply return to my original statement which I stand by, and advice you would be wise to heed:

A first rounder for a CB not even under contract? Don’t get your hopes up.

I am saying he will. Or at least could. There is no definites. Your opinion is no more valid than mine. I at least gave examples of top free agents who were tagged and traded and received far more compensation. None of them had a contracts either.

 

[crawhammer]

Seems like Jackson is talking his way out of town and doesn't mind doing so. He pretty directly states the team doesn't want him back anyway. He'll be a big loss for a defense that already was leaking oil by the end of the season.

The team has a lot of holes, which isn't very convenient for having just spent $160 million in guaranteed money to fill out your roster.

 

[venecol]

That isn't Jackson's choice. Of course he doesn't want to be tagged and traded. He wants to be a free agent. He doesn't have the choice. The Pats do. He cannot tell the Pats he refuses to be tagged.

And if he gets tagged and traded and he is immediately one of the highest paid CB in the NFL, possibly the highest. When teams trade for a tagged player, they pay him top dollar. They don't expect a discount because they gave up a first round pick.

For example when Matt Cassel was traded to the Chiefs, the Chiefs signed him to a whopping six year, $63 million deal with $28 million guaranteed. In 2009, Cassel had a bigger contract than Brady. Brady was in his last year of a 4 year, $48 million contract. So the Chiefs gave Matt Cassel a better deal than Brady had in 2005 and not that much worse considering than the deal that Brady got in 2010 (4 years, $72 million with $18 million guaranteed).

If Jackson is tagged and traded, he could get more than Jalen Ramsey. It doesn't work the other way around.

But I agree with you. There is no incentive for Jackson to help the Pats trade him and get him a five or six year deal for $18-20 million plus a year when he can play for a more desirable one year deal for $17.4 million and hope he doesn't blow out his knee or play like crap in 2022 so he can cash in during the 2023 offseason if he isn't tagged again. Makes perfect sense.

Keep on dreaming.