Wax Frog
Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
- Joined
- Sep 16, 2007
- Messages
- 7,447
- Reaction score
- 8,241
Registered Members experience this forum ad and noise-free.
CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.1)Kirby is the only one that looks bad out of the Georgia situation. How did that work out for him, not very well to say the least.I have a bigger issue with Fields...he runs from adversity. See: his exit from UGA and particularly HOW that was orchestrated. Got beat out (well...sort of. Kirby had an odd thing with Fromm) and then pretends he is leaving because the school is racist so he can get a waiver.
Add to that he isn’t known as a super hard worker locally...not sure he fits here. Great athlete, but I have mental toughness questions when things don’t go his way.
I know exactly what you mean. It’s like they think they’re writing a Newbery medal winning novel.Does anyone know what it's called when you start an article by describing some random irrelevant scene before the reader actually knows what the article is about (apart from a title) and before getting into the purpose of the article?
Like an article about astrophysics will start "Jack was standing waiting for a train. The wind was howling through the busy outdoor terminal..." before it gets to "...so the thing about black holes..."
Seems like every hipster tool is doing that these days. Doesn't surprise me ESPN does it too.
I have a bigger issue with Fields...he runs from adversity. See: his exit from UGA and particularly HOW that was orchestrated. Got beat out (well...sort of. Kirby had an odd thing with Fromm) and then pretends he is leaving because the school is racist so he can get a waiver.
Add to that he isn’t known as a super hard worker locally...not sure he fits here. Great athlete, but I have mental toughness questions when things don’t go his way.
Sometimes carrying a clipboard is better than having a loser setback your team three years as a bust top 10 QBI think better's point was that QB's taken high actually, you know, get a chance to play and prove it, whereas teams typically drafting a QB later are looking for someone to carry a clipboard and spit bucket.
This article is a puff piece, but this is an interesting quote.
"Trey is probably the hardest evaluation I've had to do in 11 years," says ESPN draft scout Matt Miller. "Seventeen starts is a very small picture to get a complete idea of who a player is, and it's not only 17 but 17 against FCS competition. But in those games, I've never seen a player so dominant. If you trust the tape, he should be the No. 2 quarterback taken in the draft, behind [Trevor] Lawrence."
Trey Lance is a potential star -- and a giant unknown
Trey Lance presents an impossible dilemma for NFL scouts: total domination in a small sample. But it's not likely to worry Lance, who's been underexposed -- or counted out -- for years.www.espn.com
Does anyone know what it's called when you start an article by describing some random irrelevant scene before the reader actually knows what the article is about (apart from a title) and before getting into the purpose of the article?
Like an article about astrophysics will start "Jack was standing waiting for a train. The wind was howling through the busy outdoor terminal..." before it gets to "...so the thing about black holes..."
Seems like every hipster tool is doing that these days. Doesn't surprise me ESPN does it too.
I dunno. Joe Burrow 'ran' from OSU to LSU. Did you hold that against him
Absolutely fair RE Kirby...Fromm shouldn’t have been handed that job.1)Kirby is the only one that looks bad out of the Georgia situation. How did that work out for him, not very well to say the least.
Players transfer all the time. It has nothing to do with "running from adversity" lol. Did Mac Jones run from adversity. He knew he wasn't ready. Transferred. Knew he could sit comfortably behind Tua & Hurts and wait for his opportunity.
2)There's absolutely nothing to suggest Fields isn't a hard worker.
Ouch. This one hurts.
Trey Lance's two pro days mean nothing | Former NFL scout says he is a bust waiting to happen
Daniel Kelly the former NFL scout of the New York Jets has been very vocal when it comes to the top prospects in the 2021 NFL Draft,www.nfldraftdiamonds.com
Hmm. That’s quite the hot take. He has another one for Zach Wilson, the quarterback his former employer is looking at with their pick. Says Wilson is a third round grade for him and that he will get everyone fired:Ouch. This one hurts.
Trey Lance's two pro days mean nothing | Former NFL scout says he is a bust waiting to happen
Daniel Kelly the former NFL scout of the New York Jets has been very vocal when it comes to the top prospects in the 2021 NFL Draft,www.nfldraftdiamonds.com
Weird that he would trash Lance for holding a 2nd pro day. Didn’t fields have 2 as well?According to that "scout," Fields is No. 1, followed by Big Mac.
Ummm he worked with BB when he was with the Jets. You say the same thing about BB?To be fair to Trey, this is a Jets scout.
Next time he shouldn’t sugar coat these things, I couldn’t exactly tell where he stood......Ouch. This one hurts.
Trey Lance's two pro days mean nothing | Former NFL scout says he is a bust waiting to happen
Daniel Kelly the former NFL scout of the New York Jets has been very vocal when it comes to the top prospects in the 2021 NFL Draft,www.nfldraftdiamonds.com
Just look at the Jets history of drafting Quarterbacks. Should we trust a Jets scout?Ummm he worked with BB when he was with the Jets. You say the same thing about BB?
I agree, it reads like a hit piece. Heavily biased against Lance. Gives me the impression he made up his mind about Lance before even seeing the Pro Day. From there it was just him seeing red. There are very real concerns about the lack of tape on him, and the level of competition he faced. He’s considered riskier than the other top QB prospects for that reason. But it’s very extreme to suggest anyone who drafts him should be fired on the spot. Pretty bizarre behavior to react that way about a prospect.Just look at the Jets history of drafting Quarterbacks. Should we trust a Jets scout?
BB was named Jets coach for about 5 minutes before he turned in his resignation.
LOL. Context man, context.
As far as the 'scouting report' goes it sounds like a hot take from a guy who just wants to generate hits. Cos guess what, controversy generates more clicks than going with the status quo.
But the stuff that goes out of this man's mouth it almost sounds like he has something personal against the kid. Comes off as a hit piece aimed at dropping Lance's draft stock.
excerpt:
"I can unequivocally say Trey Lance does not remotely have what it takes when I compare him against those who have had success in the league."
I also don't like scouting reports that are phrased with absolutes. Everything is a projection with these young men but to say, well he absolutely can't succeed in the NFL? Really, based on what?
And why was this scout so "OFFENDED" that he felt sick to his stomach while Lance performed at his second Pro day? Again it feels like a hit piece with a personal vendetta.
excerpt:
"The only thing I felt watching Lance at his pro days, which was like watching America’s Got Talent, special football edition, was this pervasive feeling of low level energy Lance’s body language was strongly communicating. I also did not like what I saw in his eyes. I got a strong physical pain in my stomach even watching him as he milked it for every second he could with the NFL Films crew up in his face capturing every drop of sweat that fell from his supposed overexerted body (after almost every throw). It was downright sickening and a mockery to the game itself. "
How are Pro Days a mockery to the game? They are used to showcase the talents of young men who are just trying to get a chance in the NFL.
I just can't trust this 'scout's' draft report because he just uses too many absolutes and comes off as agenda driven against Trey Lance. If someone feels downright 'sickened' by watching a prospect perform, they shouldn't be in the scouting business.
What it looks like is that Mr former ex-jets scout is in the actual business of generating clicks by stirring controversy about top QB prospects in this upcoming draft. The fact that he writes an absolute demolition piece against Trey Lance is the sickening part. Yes he may have generated a few thousand more clicks for himself, but if he unfairly and purposefully cause an NFL prospect to slide down the draft, he actually and negatively affected somebody's career and income.
Just look at the Jets history of drafting Quarterbacks. Should we trust a Jets scout?
BB was named Jets coach for about 5 minutes before he turned in his resignation.
LOL. Context man, context.
As far as the 'scouting report' goes it sounds like a hot take from a guy who just wants to generate hits. Cos guess what, controversy generates more clicks than going with the status quo.
But the stuff that goes out of this man's mouth it almost sounds like he has something personal against the kid. Comes off as a hit piece aimed at dropping Lance's draft stock.
excerpt:
"I can unequivocally say Trey Lance does not remotely have what it takes when I compare him against those who have had success in the league."
I also don't like scouting reports that are phrased with absolutes. Everything is a projection with these young men but to say, well he absolutely can't succeed in the NFL? Really, based on what?
And why was this scout so "OFFENDED" that he felt sick to his stomach while Lance performed at his second Pro day? Again it feels like a hit piece with a personal vendetta.
excerpt:
"The only thing I felt watching Lance at his pro days, which was like watching America’s Got Talent, special football edition, was this pervasive feeling of low level energy Lance’s body language was strongly communicating. I also did not like what I saw in his eyes. I got a strong physical pain in my stomach even watching him as he milked it for every second he could with the NFL Films crew up in his face capturing every drop of sweat that fell from his supposed overexerted body (after almost every throw). It was downright sickening and a mockery to the game itself. "
How are Pro Days a mockery to the game? They are used to showcase the talents of young men who are just trying to get a chance in the NFL.
I just can't trust this 'scout's' draft report because he just uses too many absolutes and comes off as agenda driven against Trey Lance. If someone feels downright 'sickened' by watching a prospect perform, they shouldn't be in the scouting business.
What it looks like is that Mr former ex-jets scout is in the actual business of generating clicks by stirring controversy about top QB prospects in this upcoming draft. The fact that he writes an absolute demolition piece against Trey Lance is the sickening part. Yes he may have generated a few thousand more clicks for himself, but if he unfairly and purposefully cause an NFL prospect to slide down the draft, he actually and negatively affected somebody's career and income.
Kirby is one hell of a coach but laughed at in the coaching circle for pretending to be Nick Saban. He's borderline obsessed. Works for him in a way but it's a blind spot on a personal level, relating to players.Absolutely fair RE Kirby...Fromm shouldn’t have been handed that job.
Back to fields...I am CERTAIN one of the draft guru types said his intel was that Fields was a “last in, first out” guy. IF TRUE, add that to leaving GA and it just is a concern for a team like the Pats which demands unusual football dedication.
But...I will admit, those comments could have been BS.