Is this why Malcolm Butler didn't play in the Super Bowl?

[TheRainMaker]

Butler even at his peak is nowhere near as crucial to the team as Brady so just stop it.

Lol. You just proved my point.

 

[TheRainMaker]

As for fans “crying,” only a total spoiled brat (apparently like yourself) would make that point while downplaying the value of a championship because they won others. I can assure you that players, staff, everyone who makes sacrifices to win, do not see it the way you see it.

And it’s rumored that this was one of the reasons both Brady and Gronk were burnt out and seriously considered retirement (Gronk)/leaving the team (Brady).

It’s hard to believe seeing how they made it happen with all the problems they had in 2018.

 

[VectorPrime]

How many times would Belichick happily put up with a LT who would arrive late coked out of his mind?

 

[fnordcircle]

I still believed the "Partied and punched Steve" rumor.

 

[carmelo15]

If by that you mean "Butler not being at his best lost them the Superbowl" I might not disagree.

But the guy we had was not Butler at his best, which is why he sat. He wasn't ready to play, and in Bill's judgment wasn't ready to do his job. Playin him would be setting him up to fail. I'd rather trust my depth than leave a guy like Butler out there to die. He didn't deserve to be thrown to the wolves especially when it wouldn't have solved the other issues on defense in that game.

haha what

 

[carmelo15]

This post is right on, but I also believe that whether Butler was sick or not he tanked when he found out he was playing part time in the slot in the Super Bowl when it was his last game before free agency. He wasn’t mentally ready to play that game and Belichick knew it.

But he was ready to play vs Seattle in the super bowl lol this is getting embarrassing. A professional athlete not ready for a game mentality with two weeks to prepare comical

 

[TommyD4207]

How many times would Belichick happily put up with a LT who would arrive late coked out of his mind?

LT's also one of the top 3 if not THE best defensive player in the history of the NFL.

Malcolm Butler is not that.

 

[Triumph]

No, sounds like damage control.

Something that' cannot be mentioned is the real cause.

 

[TomPatriot]

Yeah and Wickersham also called out the SH-TTY draft system that McDaniels/Caserio instituted for WRs and CBs since 2004-2019. A long long line of draft busts. Pure garbage that has f'd the Patriots for a long time. Drought from 2005-2013 and sh-t drafts from 2013-2019 that also led Brady to leave...

Brady got $25m from a stacked team that Licht took seven years to build. It was only missing a quality QB. Not sure how the Pats were going to match that.

 

[TomPatriot]

Didn't Butler play a ST snap?

Yup. That makes it even weirder.

 

[1960Pats]

Not playing him at all lost the Superbowl. Brady and the offense scored a ton of points. Patriots did not get ONE punt by the Eagles offense. Richards should have never played any snaps. Malcolm puking everywhere would have been better than Richards at 100%. Pats went from the #1 defense in points allowed to allowing the Eagles to score every single time they had the ball, all game.

I don't know how anyone can deny the obvious. Bill doesn't make many mistakes but that one was a doozy.

My question is this: If it was something as simple as Butler being sick why didn't we know the next day?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

But he was ready to play vs Seattle in the super bowl lol this is getting embarrassing. A professional athlete not ready for a game mentality with two weeks to prepare comical

seriously, the unprepared justification has always been hilarious considering the irony. Aside from Gilmore and possibly James Harrison, NOBODY on the defensive side, player or coach, looked prepared whatsoever for that game or like they belonged on a football field / sideline that night.. But it was Butler who wasn't "dialed in".

 

[1960Pats]

Brady got $25m from a stacked team that Licht took seven years to build. It was only missing a quality QB. Not sure how the Pats were going to match that.

The Pats couldn't have given Brady a stacked team in 2020 but they still should have kept him here. They'd be a sure contender in 2021 if they had.

 

[1960Pats]

Since this thread is already heading in a certain direction, I’ll go on a tangent.

I’d find it super interesting to sit down with BB and listen to him go through the reasoning behind the Richards pick. Like, who BB thought he’d become, what he thought Richards ceiling / floor was.

I know poster love to hate Richards, but I’d still love to hear the analysis from BB.

I'd like to ask Bill about the 4th and 2 play in Indy.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The Pats couldn't have given Brady a stacked team in 2020 but they still should have kept him here. They'd be a sure contender in 2021 if they had.

He didn't want to stay. He had enough of the squelching, grinding, relentless 24x7 pressure cooker of the NEP and had no interest in a rebuild.

 

[PP2]

LT's also one of the top 3 if not THE best defensive player in the history of the NFL.

Malcolm Butler is not that.

He was also an outlier in that his crazy abuse of drugs and alcohol and his off-field antics didn't affect his game. That alone is legendary.

 

[Zarozzor]

I'd like to ask Bill about the 4th and 2 play in Indy.

Aside from the Butler debacle, the first thing I'd ask is why did he go for it on 4th and 13 in Super Bowl 42 instead of letting Gostkowski try 48 yards in a dome.

 

[Wozzy]

Butler sucked in 2017, he was disgruntled over his contract and let it effect his play then possibly got sick the week of the Super Bowl or made a stink depending on what you believe.

Bill screwed up, but not necessarily that game. He screwed up that preseason when the Saints offered him a 2nd for Butler and he held out for a first which they balked at. If BB screwed up in the Super Bowl it was not activating Alan Branch coming off injury and we still don’t know if he could have played.

One CB who had given up the most TD’s and Yards in the NFL amongst all starters that season was not going to change the outcome of that game. The WR’s did nothing once they manned Gilmore on Alshon Jeffrey anyhow. They only success the Eagles had passing was to Zach Ertz in the second half because Patrick Chung suffered a broken arm to end the half.

Donte Hightower, Alan Branch, Jon Jones, Patrick Chung and Nate Ebner being injured is what lost that game. The Eagles controlled the line of scrimmage and rushed for near 200 yards. Butlers benching is the biggest nothing burger in revisionist Patriots history. The better healthier team won… it’s hard to win rings. Just because the Patriots made it look easy doesn’t make it so. Get over it.

 

[1960Pats]

Aside from the Butler debacle, the first thing I'd ask is why did he go for it on 4th and 13 in Super Bowl 42 instead of letting Gostkowski try 48 yards in a dome.

Yup, that's another good one.
I'm also a little curious about why he took it easy against the Fins in 2015. That cost us home field in the playoffs.

 

[Ring 6]

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You forgot to add Butler was on drugs or whatever crap you touted the day he was benched.

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right because we both know I never said that. Every time you post that lie I call you out and challenge you to show me a post where I said that. Every time, you can’t, but keep repeating the lie.