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I cannot see the idiocy to which you are responding - nor do I want to - but I think our good friend @Ned Stark said it best in a previous post from early this season:
I know what you said. You say it all the time... Brady owes every ounce of his success to someone else... Belichick, Gronk, Brown, etc. essentially a bunch of people who have never won anything without Brady and who Brady has won a Super Bowl without. But you keep doing you.
How do you explain Brady's 7th Super Bowl ring? And Belichick's mediocrity as a head coach without Brady? (Mediocrity not being a word I would apply to Lennon or McCartney apart from one another.)
Not to argue, because you are right, they both had #1s. Together, they changed the world. Alone, they did not.
The question was whether or not Brady needs Belichick. Your point of Brady > Bill is correct. Even Bill said Sunday, as he has throughout his career, players win games. Brady did not need Bill year 1, but he might now. You even said Bowles sucks.
With the right quarterback a team is rebuilt quickly. 2001 Bledsoe's injury jump started the rebuild. Ring 1. 2002 lost the division with a tie breaker. 2003, 2004 Ring 2 and 3. Rebuild pretty complete. Didn't take long at all. And to say Brady is responsible for one position is misleading.
You said Brady needed Belichick to be great... he doesn't... he won a Super Bowl and the next season he performed at an MVP level. Brady was great in both seasons. This one isn't over yet.
Belichick should have hung onto Brady for dear life and hoped he could retool the team well enough around him to win. Now he's stuck trying to win with a good team surrounding a mediocre quarterback, which is much harder. Ultimately he's going to run out of time, unless he coaches into his 80's, because Josh Allen is going to be an immoveable object in the division for a long time to come.
Next stop is Don Shula for BB.
Just curious but were you a Pats fan yet in 2001-2004? Those teams were loaded with star players. You cannot win Super Bowls and be going through a rebuild at the same time.
You're not here to discipline me, are you?
Not at all. Just curious what you think.
Brady needs someone to check him exactly the same as Bill does. Who's going to stand up to Bill in the coaches meeting? Who is going to stand up to Tom and check him? Arians may have done that a little year 1, and he's out.
None of you guys want to hear it, but they needed each other to be as great as they could be. Alone very good, together they are great. Lennon and McCartney are fine alone, but together they are magical. Same with Bill and Tom.
Yes I was. I actually lucked into attending Brady's fisrt start. We were rebuilding then. We won with waiver wire players in 01. 2 all pros in 03 and 1 in 04. We had good players but Brady was efficient and became a star in 03. Different era but I dont see Mac leading those teams to superbowls.
I'm saying the Leftwich more than likely will not stand up Brady and more likely will rubber stamp everything Brady wants to do offensively. Much like the folks on Bill's staff now. Who is there that will stand up to Bill and tell him he's wrong?
They actually weren't loaded at all in 2001. They were coming off of a 5-11 season in 2000 with the Parcells leftovers underachieving and had some bad seasons from 1999 to 2000. Going into the 2001 season, the only "star" players on the team were Bledsoe, Law, Milloy, McGinest, Ted Johnson and Terry Glenn who coming off of some bad years.
The examples of average to below average coaches getting to a SB are far more numerous than with players. That's why the age old saying goes: Coaches don't win games, players do. Coaches can only lose them.Brady needs someone to check him exactly the same as Bill does. Who's going to stand up to Bill in the coaches meeting? Who is going to stand up to Tom and check him? Arians may have done that a little year 1, and he's out.
None of you guys want to hear it, but they needed each other to be as great as they could be. Alone very good, together they are great. Lennon and McCartney are fine alone, but together they are magical. Same with Bill and Tom.
