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So if he is so terrible, how bad is Korey Cunningham? How bad are Tyler Gauthier and Najee Toran?
Probably they are even worse than Newhouse but it does not change the fact NFL is not a Sunday school and he does not deserve to be a starter.
"deserve to be a starter"
Perhaps Newhouse deserves to be a starter more than anyone else that was available to us. There are other teams more desperate than we are for an OT. Besides, we have one coming back, so that the critical need is only for a few weeks. Dante made the decision very early that Newhouse was to be the starter until Wynn came back.
Folks ask whether it would be better to risk the rest of Brady's career by using Cunningham or a Practice Squad player from another team (the 4th or 5th OT on that team). Dante and Belichick have answered "no". I have no basis to disagree. Was it truly worth a 1st or 2nd for an injured OT from another team, who would be ready and playing for only a few weeks until Wynn returns.
Hold my beer.
I can’t imagine there’s too many left tackles that started 7 games that have given up more than 25 pressures.
Just find it hard to believe why we are in such a mess at LT.....ok nobody could foresee what happened to Wynn and the Andrew's impact but why such poor depth ?
That's an impossible question for me to answer. He certainly doesn't look very effective from the games I have watched on TV, but I haven't looked at the film. And honestly, even if I did, I'm not qualified to pass judgment on NFL players. I'll leave that to the coaching staff.
Let's deal with Andrews first. Karras is a reasonable backup. We carry 8 or 9 OL's. The "plan" was Froholdt and Karras as backup interior OL's. Our starters were Thuney, Andrews and Mason. For me, this was a fine "plan". Even now, I think that the interior OL will be fine when Mason is healthy.
When Andrews was injured, Belichick used a 4th to secure Eluemunor, who has had a difficult time learning. However, the patriot offense is very difficult. We have had to have Ferentz active because he can call plays if Karras is injured. I also note that Eluemunor might compete for the squad in 2020; he is an RFA.
Belichick even tried to find a center to replace Ferentz as a backup. Bodine didn't work out.
The BOTTOM LINE is that I think that Belichick has been doing fine dealing with the injuries on the interior OL.
OT is another story entirely. We knew that Wynn was coming back from an injury and that Cannon has an injury history. TO ME, and to many others, we needed to have a swing OT that was able to start on either side. Also, we need a 4th OT in case of injuries (this OT could be on the Practice Squad).
We didn't secure a Waddle replacement. Our 4th OT was Skipper and others, none of whom will contribute. Our current players are Newhouse and Cunningham. We have often gone with a street free agent at OG; LT is NOT the position to have a street free agent.
FOR ME, a swing OT is an important position. Belichick has always thought so. We should have had a solid swing OT win the original 53, and then again by the trade deadline. And yes, this swing tackle might have cost a 3rd, or even more if he wasn't in his contract year.
It is NOT second guessing to suggest that a swing OT is a critical position and should be filled by someone that we would be comfortable starting for us. I guess a parallel on defense would be a #3 S or a #4 corner.
I mean Izzo will make us worse, not better:
Mgteich...thanks for that , I agree but could not begin to explain so clearly , I hope next season does not find us in a similar position
We had a competent swing tackle. He retired in training camp. Too late to find someone else. Our other interior lineman also decided to hang it up. They screwed the team over.
Why is a retirement in Training Camp the end. Belichick found players at other positions. Wasn't this a matter of resources? For example, in Training camp, could we have gotten a swing OT for a 2nd round draft choice?
Well we’ve been talking about this for months now and nobody suggested anything that made a whole lot of sense for both teams, so I’m going to guess no.
I cannot disagree with much of what you say here.
There aren't 64 quality tackles in the league now. Teams that have good ones aren't going to give them away. The only ones I even heard that might be moved were Vaitai on the Eagles and Trent Williams on the last day before the trade deadline.
The guy is awful.
We spent high draft picks on Antonio Garcia and some guy named Cajuste....
Where are they?
I was just about to say this- the guy actually gave up just one sack and the torches and pitchforks crowd comes out.
I keep saying this but the guy is not that athletic, otherwise he wouldn't be sitting on the streets, but he does put in the work and is very diligent. I haven't seen him continuously make the same mistake.
They signed Veldheer and he retired after one OTA. They then traded for Cunningham and Eluemenor, who can supposedly play tackle in s pinch. Not sure there were any good cheap tackles out there.
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