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Is It Time For Edelman To Go?

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Fullback?....not this season

Edelperson is also a QB, correct?...he's got more versatility than anyone on the roster right now, am I right?..I think he's in on that alone
 
Game Day Roster

Offense
QB - 2
RB - 3
TE - 3
OL - 7 or 8
WR - 5 or 4

Subtotal - 20

Defense
DL - 6
ILB - 3
OLB - 3
CB - 4
S - 4

Subtotal - 20

Special Teams
LS - 1
P - 1
PK - 1
PR - 1
ST - 2 (Slater & White)

Subtotal - 6

Total - 46
 
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I don't think so....BB probably loves him.
 
What a strange life you must lead, keeping track of the consistency special teams arguments on a message board.

1) I am a mod here. One the major aspects of this for me is the opening of threads and the the stimulating of discussion. Sometimes I push arguments when I believe them or not. Over time I may very well argue both sides of issues. Live with or not. That is your choice.

2) With regard to special teams, I have always argued for the importance of special teams, starting many, many threads on the subject. I suspect that I start more than anyone else does. It just isn't an important topic to many. Depending on the year, I have argued for keeping anywhere from "2 to 6 special-teams only players".

3) Arguing about individual players is a slightly different issue. I have often supported Slater, for many years. HOWEVER, as with all players not named Brady or Wilfork, I have discussed his value and whether he might be beaten out for his position. I might even have suggested that White might beat him out for his roster spot or Morris. We should always be evaluating players.

4) With regard to Edelman, I have posted many, many posts THIS season suggesting that he was a lock as a STer, along with Slater. I was the one that, even last week, suggested that Edelman should have a position because of his value as a punt returner.
After reading the discussion from many posters, I was convinced that I had overvalued the marginal contribution of punt returners.

I then decided to discuss to post a thread about Edelman. I don't see why what I say is a big deal for you. I'm not here to win debating points. I am here to share my views, listen to the views of others and hopefully to understand the team better.

5) Some have a different analysis than I do. They simply decide how many wide receiver spots we will have (almost always 6 including one for a STer like Slater) and then view the competition for the 6 roster spots. I suspect that half the threads in the last week has been about choosing which 6 receivers we will keep. Since this is obviously an issue of interest, I gave it a different spin.

AND JUST BY THE WAY
I strongly disagree with your position that Edelman is more likely to make this team than Branch. But then, that is my position.

You think it unreasonable to consider a top gunner and backup db like Cole to be likely to make the team because he only signed a 1-year contract. Well, I believe the same about White. Again we disagree.

I think it silly at best to think that Johnson is a lock to make the team because he has reduced his salary to $1M. I did err in neglecting to mention him. In the arithmetic of most, there are many competing for the #3, #4, and #5 wide receiver spots. Some consider Edelman a near lock. I don't.

WHAT THE EMOTION IS ALL ABOUT
Edelman has been a great, great, story. He has been a perfect utility player. He is the player we all would like to see make the team. We've had many, many binkies like Edelman over the years. They don't all retire as patriots.

Edelman has filled critical roles as an emergency WR and as an emergency DB. The answer is not necessarily to keep Edelman. Belichick answer is to get much more depth at those positions.

IMHO, THE BEST ARGUMENT FOR KEEPING EDELMAN CAME FROM DI
DI suggests that Edelman is fine backup for Welker, and perhaps the only reliable one. Perhaps backup slot receiver is indeed worth a roster spot. Of course, Gonzalez or a rookie could beat our Edelman for this roster spot, but a position has been identified, backup slot receiver.

I think Branch and Hernandez are much better basckups to Welker.
 
Edelman could end up being a better DB/ST than some of the Jags we just signed. He also could end up being a better slot receiver backup than Gonzalez. Not sure why anyone would think some of the people we just signed are better than Edelman.
 
I think Branch and Hernandez are much better basckups to Welker.

How do you figure on Branch? Branch circa 2004 yes its not even close but at this stage in his career Branch is not as fast or elusive as Edelman.

Edelman was also an Energizer bunny out there at his respective postions while Branch seemingly disappeared during games or could not consistently get seperation.
 
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Edelman could end up being a better DB/ST than some of the Jags we just signed. He also could end up being a better slot receiver backup than Gonzalez. Not sure why anyone would think some of the people we just signed are better than Edelman.
Edelman is not seriously going to play defense, unless we continue to have Antwaun Molden as our 3rd corner. He only played D in a couple of games in emergencies, for a certain matchup or in the last game as a trial with backups. He isn't going to play defense.
As far as offense, he caught 4 passes all season, and we were crying out for a 3rd WR. I don't know what he has done that would make you think he is ahead of anyone we signed. He was behind Underwood for most of the time Underwood was here.
Sure, he returns punts and does some other s/ts things. Sure having him active gives you an extra guy at 2 positions on the end of the bench.
But just because he does many things doesn't guarantee him a job because other than returning punts, he doesn't do any of them well.
 
How do you figure on Branch? Branch circa 2004 yes its not even close but at this stage in his career Branch is not as fast or elusive as Edelman.

Edelman was also an Energizer bunny out there at his respective postions while Branch seemingly disappeared during games or could not consistently get seperation.

Edelman caught 4 passes.
 
Edelman is not seriously going to play defense, unless we continue to have Antwaun Molden as our 3rd corner. He only played D in a couple of games in emergencies, for a certain matchup or in the last game as a trial with backups. He isn't going to play defense.
As far as offense, he caught 4 passes all season, and we were crying out for a 3rd WR. I don't know what he has done that would make you think he is ahead of anyone we signed. He was behind Underwood for most of the time Underwood was here.
Sure, he returns punts and does some other s/ts things. Sure having him active gives you an extra guy at 2 positions on the end of the bench.
But just because he does many things doesn't guarantee him a job because other than returning punts, he doesn't do any of them well.


Andy he never spent a full offseason playing DB. Now on offense the dicussion is more clear but if his future is as a DB i say none of us have enough information to be certain of anything. This one is going to be a wait and see IMO.
 
Fair enough! Edelman has shown enough on defense to give him a shot at a defensive back position. We should no longer consider him a WR. He is a defensive back who returns points. He also plays ST's as expected of almost all backups. He's just not a ST ace.

Edelman will compete for one of the defensive back positions. He'll definitely be in camp. There is plenty of "room" to compete. There are only 6 locks for 9-10 positions:
McCourty, Dowling, Arrington, Moore, Chung and Gregory. We all have Cole, Allen, Barrett and Brown. We expect to add a couple of more to the mix.

Based on all the criticism, I will go back to my minimum ST case: 2 special teams only positions: Slater and White.

Andy he never spent a full offseason playing DB. Now on offense the dicussion is more clear but if his future is as a DB i say none of us have enough information to be certain of anything. This one is going to be a wait and see IMO.
 
Andy he never spent a full offseason playing DB. Now on offense the dicussion is more clear but if his future is as a DB i say none of us have enough information to be certain of anything. This one is going to be a wait and see IMO.
I consider him playing defense to have been an emergency situation, and see no way he can be converted to a DB and make the team.
 
No, I'll take Edelman who will play anywhere and do anything to help his team win over 1-trick ponies like Stallworth and no-trick ponies like Ocho.
 
I think Branch and Hernandez are much better basckups to Welker.
I'll address this first before I address the larger issue -

Branch could no more play the slot WR than Dan Connolly. In all his years here in NE, AJ have you seen him line up inside the hash marks? That's right, you haven't and there is a reason for it. He wouldn't survive a month inside. He is not physical enough. He's our Tory Holt. Touch him and he drops like a bug at a RAID convention. I'm not complaining about it, it just is what it is.

Hernandez is a more likely choice, obviously since he already is adept at working the inside, but he DOSEN'T run the same routes as Welker, and isn't as quick as either Welker or Edelman. Of course you could put him in the slot and he'd catch passes, but he'd still be a "different" kind of a slot receiver
 
With all the WRs in camp I think it's a definite possibility he is gone. It's clear to me he is not in the Pats WR plans and I would be shocked if he played significant time on defense this year. His playing time in 2011 as CB was a desperation move that I don't think BB will let happen again.

He has value as a Punt returner but that's about it. If his contract is cheap, which I assume it is, I guess they can keep him around but is there enough roster spots?
 
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Edelman is fine to keep around as long as he's not taking away an important roster spot from anyone, which I don't believe he is. He's below-average to average in just about every phase of the game, but he at least has experience in enough areas that he can fill in in a pinch, and that has value on a team like the Pats. Ideally, though, he never gets used for anything.

OK, so who's your KR/PR ahead of him?
 
OK, so who's your KR/PR ahead of him?

Edelman is not a kick returner. Yes, he can do it but he can't do it well. Doesn't have nearly enough speed. If he ever returned a kick to the 23 yard line last year I would celebrate.
 
Yeah, that, along with his similarities with Welker are two good points, but I still fell a little disappointed with his performances last two years. I didn't expect big numbers from him, but 1st year I thought he would have far more playing time with Welker coming back of that torn ACL and having a season similar to his first one, or even a little better, maybe alike Tate (not comparing them as a players, only in terms of production that year), and apart from that last game against Miami I almost don't remember him on the field. Even last season I expected him to do a little better, with less expectations but something about 200 yards, and he played even less than in 2010.

You DO realize that he was playing on the defense the last 10 games of the season?

That doesn't show up on the fantasy football websites.
 
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Edelman is not a kick returner. Yes, he can do it but he can't do it well. Doesn't have nearly enough speed. If he ever returned a kick to the 23 yard line last year I would celebrate.

Then, on average, you celebrated every time he touched the ball on a kickoff return last year.

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Julian Edelman: Career Stats at NFL.com

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I would also like to note that Welker was not a bad slot corner.

I was at the last Buffalo game when our D was getting trashed and the defensive series that turned it around was sparked by Spikes replacing Fletcher and Edelman coming in to cover the slot, getting up right on the line of scrimmage and not letting his guy get a release.

He brings energy to everything he does and was a better DB coming in with zero pro experience than anybody gives him credit for.
 
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