Is it possible Bill can save his job by benching Mac Jones and blaming the season on him?

[Jlaff]

Ring6, Look at the time at the bottom right. The defender was on Mac in under two seconds. You cannot blame Mac here.

More ********. I already made this point in this thread, the video starts after the snap, after Mac is well into his drop.

 

[Ring 6]

Ring6, Look at the time at the bottom right. The defender was on Mac in under two seconds. You cannot blame Mac here.

The clock starts after he already has the ball and dropped back.
Seriously do you honestly think a qb isn’t supposed to be able to see that?
In this frame he’s looking right at the backpedaling safety.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Don't you guys get sick of arguing mundane things? you don't have anything better to do with your time? Just agree to disagree and you both get a win.

 

[Ring 6]

Tough to know what route JuJu is supposed to run or do based on the coverage. If he adjusts the route does Mac anticipate what he'll do?

If he running a split or a post to the left then he absolute needs to throw that ball. If it's some kind of corner route to the right thats a **** play call.

Either way it's on Mac to get out of a bad call and into a good one. I've seen no evidence to support the belief he can or does consistently.

We know what route he was supposed to run because we can see it.

You can’t argue that you should trip over a guy on the ground instead of throwing the ball because maybe the guy might run the wrong route.

This play is a great call. Juju is wide open, Elliot is open underneath. The guy in the left running the seam either draws the safety away from juju or he’s open, in fact it looks like he was splitting the safeties too.

 

[Jlaff]

Don't you guys get sick of arguing mundane things? you don't have anything better to do with your time? Just agree to disagree and you both get a win.

Think of it as a house keeping exercise. Rob might pretend to think he's right, but he's going to think about it next time before he makes another low effort "Mac sacked = o-line and receivers bad" post.

Even now he's speechless in response to his BS being called out for pretending the pass rush got to Mac in less than a second.

 

[Wozzy]

I don't think Mac is this bad though.

Is he a top tier QB? No.

But I think most QB's would have been messed up having a DC as OC and no legit WR's.

If prime Brady/current Mahomes were on this team, they don't make the postseason imo.

Laughable... he's bottom five in every statistical category, he leads the NFL in turnovers, he's the worst starting QB in the NFL.

Are you on drugs?

 

[RobertWeathers]

We know what route he was supposed to run because we can see it.

You can’t argue that you should trip over a guy on the ground instead of throwing the ball because maybe the guy might run the wrong route.

This play is a great call. Juju is wide open, Elliot is open underneath. The guy in the left running the seam either draws the safety away from juju or he’s open, in fact it looks like he was splitting the safeties too.

What route did he run and what route was he supposed to run?

 

[Ring 6]

Stop it. Most QBs would have been sacked in that situation. At least the pocket passers.

Not a chance. They would have either
1) understood the concept of the play, read the defense and taken the easy 20 yards or at least
2) moved away from the defender lying in on the ground.
It is amazing to me that you endorse running toward a grounded defender and tripping over him.

The defender got through the line barely touched. Watch the video. The defender hit Mac at the two second mark.

Just not true, the video did not start at the snap. If the defender was barely touched why is he lying on the ground?

That means that Mac had to scan the field in less than two seconds and find the open man when he started his progressions on the other side of the field.

His read is clearly the safety. That’s the player they stress. The coverage screams at him to throw to juju. He doesn’t understand what he is looking at.

Brady would have been sacked in this situation more often than not.

Zero chance of that. Because Brady was decisive. And he wouldn’t have moved TOWARD the only guy but engaged who was laying in the ground.

So would every other pocket passer. You are assigning unrealistic expectations on Mac to trash the guy. There was plenty in this game to trash him. This sack was not one of them.

It is not unrealistic to read the defense and throw to the wide open guy the coverage tells you will be wide open. It’s not unrealistic to ask a qb to move in any direction other than toward the only threat and let him sack you from lying on the ground.

 

[Ring 6]

What route did he run and what route was he supposed to run?

He was WIDE OPEN. You are going to defend 10 missing a wide open guy by making up an accusation out of thin air he ran the wrong route? Come on.

And look at the screen shot, it doesn’t matter what the rest of the route was he was wide open running anywhere. What could 10 possibly be thinking to say dint throw to that guy?

 

[RobertWeathers]

He was WIDE OPEN. You are going to defend 10 missing a wide open guy by making up an accusation out of thin air he ran the wrong route? Come on.

Calm down. I'm not defending 10. I'm being objective.

And look at the screen shot, it doesn’t matter what the rest of the route was he was wide open running anywhere. What could 10 possibly be thinking to say dint throw to that guy?

Qb-ing is about knowing what route your WR is going to run pre & post snap and where the ball should be thrown based on the leverage of the defender. You know this.

At any rate Mac doesn't trust what he sees or anticipates what is supposed to happen. Hes done.

 

[Rob0729]

You make my point. WHY ISNT HE LOOKING AT THE GUY THE COVERAGE DICTATES WILL BE WIDE OPEN?
Juju didn’t run a spectacular route, break any ankles. No one fell down. The defense ran its coverage and that coverage screams if someone is running jujus route they will be wide open.
He doesn’t understand the most basic concept of what he is doing back there.

Ding ding ding you finally realized it. 10 can’t find open receivers because he doesn’t know where to look.
This play is the perfect example.

We call a play that gets a receiver wide open and you think the qb isn’t supposed to know and should go trip over a guy laying on the ground

This is routine 20 yards for a competant qb.
Here’s a question for you. How many times do you think that route has been open this year? How many times have you seen 10 notice it?

Did the coverage dictate JuJu would be open? The over the top safety on his side of the field would say otherwise. Based on the coverage, JuJu should be double teamed at that section of the field.

Again, when you have less than two seconds to throw the ball, you cannot scan the field.

 

[Rob0729]

More ********. I already made this point in this thread, the video starts after the snap, after Mac is well into his drop.

The video starts what a half a second after the snap? So he had two seconds to throw the ball. Still not enough time to scan the field.

 

[Ring 6]

Calm down. I'm not defending 10. I'm being objective.

Qb-ing is about knowing what route your WR is going to run pre & post snap and where the ball should be thrown based on the leverage of the defender. You know this.

At any rate Mac doesn't trust what he sees or anticipates what is supposed to happen. Hes done.

Maybe the wide open guy ran the wrong route is being objective?

You are mimicking what I said. Regardless of what 10 thought the route was supposed to be at the point of that screenshot, which is pull the trigger time, juju is open. What possible route could he be running that isn’t open? No one is close.

The route he was given was perfect for the coverage, only 10 didn’t figure that out.

This is consistent with his play. If the was no pressure he would have not seen it until it was too late and the S came into play or he would have thrown a dump off and passed up the right play.

 

[Ring 6]

The video starts what a half a second after the snap? So he had two seconds to throw the ball. Still not enough time to scan the field.

Brady’s average time snap to throw was often under 2 seconds.
What are you scanning? X is running an in, defense is playing a coverage that screams throw to the x. Why is he “scanning”? Execute the play

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The “Tom is only one of fifty-three” folks want you to know that the Patriots (2-8, 31/32 in point differential) would be a playoff contender with a decent quarterback.

 

[Rob0729]

Not a chance. They would have either
1) understood the concept of the play, read the defense and taken the easy 20 yards or at least
2) moved away from the defender lying in on the ground.
It is amazing to me that you endorse running toward a grounded defender and tripping over him.



Just not true, the video did not start at the snap. If the defender was barely touched why is he lying on the ground?


His read is clearly the safety. That’s the player they stress. The coverage screams at him to throw to juju. He doesn’t understand what he is looking at.



Zero chance of that. Because Brady was decisive. And he wouldn’t have moved TOWARD the only guy but engaged who was laying in the ground.

It is not unrealistic to read the defense and throw to the wide open guy the coverage tells you will be wide open. It’s not unrealistic to ask a qb to move in any direction other than toward the only threat and let him sack you from lying on the ground.

When you say there is zero chance Brady or any other good pocket passer would be sacked in that situation, you lose all credibility. That is laughable.

Again, the defender broke through the line virtually untouched. Most pocket passers are rattled by up the middle pocket pressure and Mac had about two seconds to throw the ball. Usually when you are throwing that fast, you are throwing to your first read because you don't have the time to go through the progressions. Either your first read is open or you are sacked. Plain and simple.

I don't get why you are so intent on blaming Mac for a play where it clearly his fault for the negative play when there are enough other ones to point to that clearly is his fault. Bedard today said all five sacks were on the o-line and not Mac. So did Reiss. And I am pretty sure Lazar did too. They all study the game film.

 

[Ring 6]

Did the coverage dictate JuJu would be open? The over the top safety on his side of the field would say otherwise. Based on the coverage, JuJu should be double teamed at that section of the field.

Again, when you have less than two seconds to throw the ball, you cannot scan the field.

What are you taking about? There is no one near him.
I’m convinced you have absolutely no idea how a passing play works.
You dint drop back and “scan the field to see what you like”
You have pre and post snap reads, you know where the receivers are. The reads tell you where to go.

Lol the coverage that left a guy wide open within no one within 5 yards was double teaming him. You’ve topped yourself now.

 

[Rob0729]

Brady’s average time snap to throw was often under 2 seconds.
What are you scanning? X is running an in, defense is playing a coverage that screams throw to the x. Why is he “scanning”? Execute the play

Only when he threw to his first read. Maybe his second.

You do understand how football works? Each passing play is designed to go to a specific receiver and if that receiver isn't open, then the next and the next. And this coverage didn't scream throw to the X. The over the top coverage was designed to pick up JuJu. And there was a CB playing JuJu on the line. So if the Colts did proper coverage, JuJu would have been double teamed. The over the top safety seemed to bite on something else.

If you look at it, the coverage actually looks to dictate the throw was to Gesicki with the slant. No one was covering him on the line and he had a free release.

 

[Wozzy]

The “Tom is only one of fifty-three” folks want you to know that the Patriots (2-8, 31/32 in point differential) would be a playoff contender with a decent quarterback.

If JimmyG in full health is his backup those Patriot teams are still really good, if it's Brian Hoyer those teams are pretty bad.

 

[Ring 6]

When you say there is zero chance Brady or any other good pocket passer would be sacked in that situation, you lose all credibility. That is laughable.

Do we agree that if 10 had the football smarts to move anywhere but right at a guy laying on the ground he can’t be sacked? When did you ever see Brady walk himself into a sack?

Again, the defender broke through the line virtually untouched. Most pocket passers are rattled by up the middle pocket pressure and Mac had about two seconds to throw the ball. Usually when you are throwing that fast, you are throwing to your first read because you don't have the time to go through the progressions. Either your first read is open or you are sacked. Plain and simple.

How was he laying on the ground if he was untouched?
Your beliefs are ridiculous. If he read the defense it’s screaming at him throw to the X. Throwing to anyone is better than tripping over a guy laying in the ground. You still refuse to accept that off all the things he could have done going toward the only guy who was danger, a guy who was laying down, was the only bad move and that’s what he chose.

MI don't get why you are so intent on blaming Mac for a play where it clearly his fault for the negative play when there are enough other ones to point to that clearly is his fault. Bedard today said all five sacks were on the o-line and not Mac. So did Reiss. And I am pretty sure Lazar did too. They all study the game film.

It’s not about being “intent” it’s that we are discussing this okay and it illustrates very well that he has no clue what he is seeing.
And you are defending him and arguing ignoring wide open receivers to go trio over a guy in the ground is what good QBs do.