Is it possible Bill can save his job by benching Mac Jones and blaming the season on him?

[Rob0729]

What are you taking about? There is no one near him.
I’m convinced you have absolutely no idea how a passing play works.
You dint drop back and “scan the field to see what you like”
You have pre and post snap reads, you know where the receivers are. The reads tell you where to go.

Lol the coverage that left a guy wide open within no one within 5 yards was double teaming him. You’ve topped yourself now.

No one near him other than the guy who lined up on him on the line and followed him down the field?

But of course the coverage didn't dictate to throw Gesicki with a quick slant over the middle. I mean no one lined up on him and the LB was lined up five yards off the ball. With absolutely no one covering him until he got to the center of the field, it was clear the coverage wasn't dictated to throw to him.

 

[Rob0729]

Do we agree that if 10 had the football smarts to move anywhere but right at a guy laying on the ground he can’t be sacked? When did you ever see Brady walk himself into a sack?

How was he laying on the ground if he was untouched?
Your beliefs are ridiculous. If he read the defense it’s screaming at him throw to the X. Throwing to anyone is better than tripping over a guy laying in the ground. You still refuse to accept that off all the things he could have done going toward the only guy who was danger, a guy who was laying down, was the only bad move and that’s what he chose.




It’s not about being “intent” it’s that we are discussing this okay and it illustrates very well that he has no clue what he is seeing.
And you are defending him and arguing ignoring wide open receivers to go trio over a guy in the ground is what good QBs do.

No we don't agree at all. We don't even agree with how he tried to avoid the sack. He tried to avoid the tackle and he couldn't get out of the way fast enough. He did not run into the defender.

I said virtually untouched. Not that he was untouched. They barely slowed him down.

And no matter how many times you say the play was screaming for the X, it doesn't make it true. When you have a guy who is designed to run a quick slant and there isn't a defender on the line to cover him and the closest defender is five yards off the ball, he is the guy who the coverage is screaming throw to. Just because JuJu got open arguably after it was too late, doesn't mean the coverage said to throw to him.

And you are ignoring that he had a defender in his face and no time to throw. You are acting like the o-line held up even in the slightest up the middle.

 

[Ring 6]

Only when he threw to his first read. Maybe his second.

You do understand how football works? Each passing play is designed to go to a specific receiver and if that receiver isn't open, then the next and the next. And this coverage didn't scream throw to the X. The over the top coverage was designed to pick up JuJu. And there was a CB playing JuJu on the line. So if the Colts did proper coverage, JuJu would have been double teamed. The over the top safety seemed to bite on something else.

If you look at it, the coverage actually looks to dictate the throw was to Gesicki with the slant. No one was covering him on the line and he had a free release.

Then WTF is 10 reading?

You really don’t understand. Progressions are determined by coverage. The colts are in cover2. Juju is running an in at the numbers. If you have a receiver running an in at the numbers and the d is in cover 2 100 times out of 100 that’s the first look.
He is literally running the best route you can run against their coverage.

My god you think you see a double team in cover2? Wow.
There is a HOLE IN THE ZONE exactly where his route takes him.

Wow maybe we should stop I feel like we are talking about different sports.
Damn double team in cover2, wow.

 

[Ring 6]

No one near him other than the guy who lined up on him on the line and followed him down the field?

But of course the coverage didn't dictate to throw Gesicki with a quick slant over the middle. I mean no one lined up on him and the LB was lined up five yards off the ball. With absolutely no one covering him until he got to the center of the field, it was clear the coverage wasn't dictated to throw to him.

The guy who sat down in the short zone and let juju blow past?

If he thought the read was gesicki and no one covered him why didn’t he throw there? Tripping was a better plan?

 

[Ring 6]

No we don't agree at all. We don't even agree with how he tried to avoid the sack. He tried to avoid the tackle and he couldn't get out of the way fast enough. He did not run into the defender.

I said virtually untouched. Not that he was untouched. They barely slowed him down.

And no matter how many times you say the play was screaming for the X, it doesn't make it true. When you have a guy who is designed to run a quick slant and there isn't a defender on the line to cover him and the closest defender is five yards off the ball, he is the guy who the coverage is screaming throw to. Just because JuJu got open arguably after it was too late, doesn't mean the coverage said to throw to him.

And you are ignoring that he had a defender in his face and no time to throw. You are acting like the o-line held up even in the slightest up the middle.

The defender was in the ground and tackled him. How is that possible if he didn’t move toward him?
Next you will tell me he was really playing cricket.

The coverage was cover2. Juju had the exact route that beats cover2. ANY competant qb knows that he will be open in the window between the guy who sat in the shirt zone and the safety, who stayed inside. It’s a hugh school level read.


But let’s throw all that out the window and go with your idea. Why didn’t he throw to gesicki if no one was covering him?

There as no defender in his face. He was at his feet.

 

[Rob0729]

Then WTF is 10 reading?

You really don’t understand. Progressions are determined by coverage. The colts are in cover2. Juju is running an in at the numbers. If you have a receiver running an in at the numbers and the d is in cover 2 100 times out of 100 that’s the first look.
He is literally running the best route you can run against their coverage.

My god you think you see a double team in cover2? Wow.
There is a HOLE IN THE ZONE exactly where his route takes him.

Wow maybe we should stop I feel like we are talking about different sports.
Damn double team in cover2, wow.

The over the top coverage would be the double team. It not a true double team but where he was running to, there should have been two defenders.

Again, cover 2 does not alway scream throw to the X. It would be a pretty bad defense if the same play worked over and over again.

They off coverage of Gesicki and he was running a shallow slant. The coverage dictated to throw him the ball because he was the most likely guy to be open based on the coverage.

 

[Wozzy]

The defender was in the ground and tackled him. How is that possible if he didn’t move toward him?

This ^

Mac literally ran into the sack, if he stays put and makes the throw there is no sack.

It's not unlike the 3rd and short where he has Rhamondre is in the flat to the left, if he throws to him immediately it's a TD or at least a long gain, but definitely a first down... instead Mac waits to get gobbled up, throws a granny underhand free throw to Rhamondre too late for an incompletion. The next thing you know Obie is on the sidelines screaming in his ear showing him the tablet.

Most of Mac's sacks are the result of his pizz poor pocket awareness and putting his linemen at a disadvantage by moving and dislodging their leverage on the guys they're blocking. Mac sucks.

 

[Rob0729]

The guy who sat down in the short zone and let juju blow past?

If he thought the read was gesicki and no one covered him why didn’t he throw there? Tripping was a better plan?

No he didn't he gave up on the route by the time Mac was hit, but when Mac had time to throw, the guy was still in coverage of JuJu.

Gesicki was the proper read but he hadn't gotten in position yet because the o-line couldn't block.

 

[Wozzy]

No he didn't he gave up on the route by the time Mac was hit, but when Mac had time to throw, the guy was still in coverage of JuJu.

Gesicki was the proper read but he hadn't gotten in position yet because the o-line couldn't block.

This ^

Look at the window, look at the separation Gesicki is creating.

But the Mac ball washers will tell you it's his subpar linemen and terrible weapons.

The ball should be leaving right now for Mike in that still.

Mac blows.

 

[Rob0729]

This ^

Mac literally ran into the sack, if he stays put and makes the throw there is no sack.

It's not unlike the 3rd and short where he has Rhamondre is in the flat to the left, if he throws to him immediately it's a TD or at least a long gain, but definitely a first down... instead Mac waits to get gobbled up, throws a granny underhand free throw to Rhamondre too late for an incompletion. The next thing you know Obie is on the sidelines screaming in his ear showing him the tablet.

Most of Mac's sacks are the result of his pizz poor pocket awareness and putting his linemen at a disadvantage by moving and dislodging their leverage on the guys they're blocking. Mac sucks.

He didn't run into the sack. He tried to avoid the sack, but did do a good enough job trying to side step the defender. But the sacks on Sunday were on the o-line, not Mac. There have been other games when Mac's pocket awareness caused the sack.

 

[Rob0729]

I do think it is funny that on the play in question, the people who blame Mac for the sack seem to not agree on why it was Mac's fault. Just that it was Mac's fault.

 

[Wozzy]

He didn't run into the sack. He tried to avoid the sack, but did do a good enough job trying to side step the defender. But the sacks on Sunday were on the o-line, not Mac. There have been other games when Mac's pocket awareness caused the sack.

He didn't have to move at all... he had to step into the throw to Gesicki and take the positive yardage.

 

[Ring 6]

The over the top coverage would be the double team. It not a true double team but where he was running to, there should have been two defenders.

Again, cover 2 does not alway scream throw to the X. It would be a pretty bad defense if the same play worked over and over again.

They off coverage of Gesicki and he was running a shallow slant. The coverage dictated to throw him the ball because he was the most likely guy to be open based on the coverage.

Wow. Please explain how you double team a receiver in zone coverage.

And NO NO NO. it is a ZONE. The first defender has the short zone. His job is to STOP at the edge of his zone, which he did. The second defender is the safety who has the deep zone. It is vulnerable in between the zones. Just as what happened. And further, the S was slow getting there.

The vulnerability of cover 2 is in between the short and deep zone. When you have a play called with the route juju was assigned and see cover2,immediately you think that’s the first look. It’s the coverage you hope you get for that route.

You must be coaching 10. If you seriously think that okay was designed to hope to throw a shallow slant to a TE as your best option, I see why you love 10.
But if that really was the plan, why did he choose to trip over a human carpet instead of throwing to gesicki.

You just argued yourself into admitting 10 screwed up

 

[Ring 6]

I do think it is funny that on the play in question, the people who blame Mac for the sack seem to not agree on why it was Mac's fault. Just that it was Mac's fault.

It was his fault for multiple reasons.
1) he wouldn’t throw the ball to open receivers
2) instead he moved into the human carpet that was the only danger. Of a dozen things I could think of him doing he chose the worst one.

 

[Ring 6]

No he didn't he gave up on the route by the time Mac was hit, but when Mac had time to throw, the guy was still in coverage of JuJu.

Gesicki was the proper read but he hadn't gotten in position yet because the o-line couldn't block.

Are you joking? He sat at the 50. Juju is already 2 yards past him and separating. The pass rusher is still 5 yards away and falling down.


You said gesicki was uncovered running a slant. What is he getting in position for.
The S is ten yards off of juju

 

[PATS16N0]

Four men wide open. He doesn’t see things. Absurd for this dude to tell a reporter, “that’s a good point” to throw these guys under the bus. Here’s four of them wide open and he decides to panic and go for a WTF.

 

[Ring 6]

He didn't run into the sack. He tried to avoid the sack, but did do a good enough job trying to side step the defender. But the sacks on Sunday were on the o-line, not Mac. There have been other games when Mac's pocket awareness caused the sack.

The guy was in the ground in front of him and he moved TOWARD HIM. what is he stepped back? Or to the left?

Did you notice how frustrating it was that we got close and couldn’t suck minshew? Did you notice what he did? He moved AWAY FROM the pass rushers. And it worked. And they were in their feet. Imagine that.

 

[Ring 6]

Four men wide open. He doesn’t see things. Absurd for this dude to tell a reporter, “that’s a good point” to throw these guys under the bus. Here’s four of them wide open and he decides to panic and go for a WTF.

Dead on

 

[sb1]

“It’s all Mac’s fault. HE lost the game. It’s all him. His team is fine. He’s dragging his team down.”

So… then it really is all the QB that wins or loses? Great so Brady gets 100% credit for the dynasty. It is all the QB. He carried his team it’s all him so time to shut down any other opinion on that topic.

Works for me!

 

[PATS16N0]

Football teams are a story of a quarterback and his boys.

The Ravens had a good defense and Hall of Fame defensive players, but they took a ring because Joe Flacco balled the **** out in the playoffs.

Can a QB do it alone? Obviously not. But it’s far and away the most important position in all of team sports.