Interesting attitude of our players that mirrors BB

[PatsFan2]

I remember Kyle Williams saying he wanted to be great, matter of factly.

He seems like a hard working focused player, and as I recall he was working through some physical issues in camp.

I still expect him to emerge.

That's the hope.

 

[Ring 6]

Under Vrabel this is the catalyst of a team under BB during the championship runs that we are accustomed to seeing. Players, coaches and the product on the field all getting better each week, in- game adjustments, game planning. This defensive front the way they have stopped the run is utterly remarkable.

We were the smartest team in the league for 20 years and last year we were the dumbest, well dumbest-non Jet team.
Nice to see this coming back.

 

[Betterthanmost]

We were the smartest team in the league for 20 years and last year we were the dumbest, well dumbest-non Jet team.
Nice to see this coming back.

Once the players cross the white lines, what can you really do?

 

[Water Boy]

A lot of posters were hot on free agent Eagles Sweat or Baun… I wanted Milton Williams.

We needed beef…

Milt couldn't have worked out better for us (thus far). Probably one of the best free agent signings since Moss, Welker, Rodney, Vrabel and the like.

On the face of it there were legit concerns that it was going to be a substantial overpay given that Williams was a rotational player in a loaded Philly Defense and he wasn't particularly accomplished as a run defender.

 

[patfanken]

IF Maye is making Barefoot Mack Hollins into a player: he can do the same for KW. We are onto the Second Half Kyle Williams I can't stomach getting nothing from another Patriots Rookie WR. Their contemporaries around the league are doing quite well.

Who are you sitting down to give Kyle significant reps? The guy who just gave you 7 catches in 7 targets. No, be patient, man. There will be an injury or some targets in the 15-20 snaps he's currently getting for him to show his stuff. Meanwhile let him keep getting practice reps and improving on "the details" as Josh calls them.

BTW- Boutte's TD is a great example of the subtleties and DETAILS of good route running that gets someone open and creates separation against NFL quality DB's

 

[203Pat]

This such ********. He's a rookie. This mindset that you have where every player has to come in and start producing immediately or they suck is complete garbage. If you were the person making the decisions for the Patriots they wouldn't be the worst team in football, they would be the worst team in the history of football.

Every week Drake spreads the ball around. The open guy gets the ball and every pass catcher not named Kyle Williams catches the ball when it is thrown his way. I don't think Williams is a bust by any means yet but he is a rookie learning a system many have call complicated for receivers and will need time to settle in.

 

[Wozzy]

Milt couldn't have worked out better for us (thus far). Probably one of the best free agent signings since Moss, Welker, Rodney, Vrabel and the like.

On the face of it there were legit concerns that it was going to be a substantial overpay given that Williams was a rotational player in a loaded Philly Defense and he wasn't particularly accomplished as a run defender.

He wasn’t asked to be an early down run defender in Philly, it didn’t make it bad at it. One of the hallmarks of great personnel guy is recognizing opportunity. The Eagles were cap strapped because they had a lot of their own free agents that needed to be re-signed and lucky for us they were deep at DT. We took advantage of their inability to pay everyone.

You take an undersized DT like Williams on early downs, slide him out to DE, put a big body like Tonga inside at DT and Williams speed and strength becomes an asset in run blitz.

His rookie contract was up, the Eagles couldn’t pay everyone on a loaded defense. Paying a young stud about to blowup with a lot of tread left on the tires is not an overpay. You have to trust your personnel guys. Cowden seems to have his finger on the pulse.

 

[PatsFan2]

Who are you sitting down to give Kyle significant reps? The guy who just gave you 7 catches in 7 targets. No, be patient, man. There will be an injury or some targets in the 15-20 snaps he's currently getting for him to show his stuff. Meanwhile let him keep getting practice reps and improving on "the details" as Josh calls them.

BTW- Boutte's TD is a great example of the subtleties and DETAILS of good route running that gets someone open and creates separation against NFL quality DB's

You know me ken: not the most patient in the world still working on it. That said after watching Kyle Williams tape: I seriously thought he was a polished Receiver and a day 1 contributor. IF he ever gets' it: you'll see what I'm talking about. Yeah and I know he's learning a difficult Offense: if the rest can learn it so can he.

 

[Ring 6]

I had no idea that you didn't like Hollins. Thanks for the update on your opinion.

I had no idea you cared. Thanks for your update on your feelings.

 

[Ring 6]

Who are you sitting down to give Kyle significant reps? The guy who just gave you 7 catches in 7 targets. No, be patient, man. There will be an injury or some targets in the 15-20 snaps he's currently getting for him to show his stuff. Meanwhile let him keep getting practice reps and improving on "the details" as Josh calls them.

BTW- Boutte's TD is a great example of the subtleties and DETAILS of good route running that gets someone open and creates separation against NFL quality DB's

Hollins of course

 

[PatsFan2]

Who are you sitting down to give Kyle significant reps? The guy who just gave you 7 catches in 7 targets. No, be patient, man. There will be an injury or some targets in the 15-20 snaps he's currently getting for him to show his stuff. Meanwhile let him keep getting practice reps and improving on "the details" as Josh calls them.

BTW- Boutte's TD is a great example of the subtleties and DETAILS of good route running that gets someone open and creates separation against NFL quality DB's

Speaking of RR that was one of KW's strengths coming out: he has an Elite Release package. I really hope he translates on this level.

 

[patfanken]

Hollins of course

PLEASE, Andy, Hollins has done nothing but get open and catch pretty much everything that is throw his way. PLUS be an asset in the run and screen games. Now I don't doubt Williams' potential or skills, it's just that at this moment, the guys in front of him are doing the job well and Hollins can do more than just catch the ball, though in the last few games he's been catching the ball a good clip too.

Don't worry. I'm sure he'll get his shot eventually through injury or his skills being necessary for a particular game plan. Meanwhile he'll get his 15-20 reps/g and hope Maye looks his way.

 

[ivanvamp]

He was the same guy. It’s ridiculous that people vilify him for a downturn after he sustained success far, far longer than anyone else ever has.

It is inevitable in a league where more than 50% of personnel decisions end up bad, where you compete against 31 other teams under a capped system, that at some point you will have a talent void. That it took 20 years to happen is an incredible achievement not a failure.

I agree 100% with this. He didn't "fail" at the end. He held up a dynasty for way, way, WAY longer than one could ever have expected or hoped for. Even keeping Brady in the fold as long as he did was remarkable.

The league is set up to bring successful teams down. Salary cap. Scheduling. Drafting. You name it - it's all designed to level the playing field. He both coached and GM'd the most successful 20 year run the league has ever seen, with nothing else being even close. Of course he had a couple of bad years there at the end. It was bound to happen at some point. That it happened after two full decades of greatness is a positive check mark in his ledger, not a negative one.

 

[Triumph]

I have noticed an atribute of our current players that mirrors something that was admirable about BB. The constant drive to get better. Nothing encapsulate that better than this interaction between Coach and Williams. I see same thing with Diggs, Jones, Boutte. They want to get better, they are not satisfied with just a win. This is scary for the rest of the NFL.
this interaction fills me with so much joy.

Recall when BB first arrived as the NEP HC?

He got the team together and played a video of Bledsoe being knocked down in a game. Then, BB asked the room if they noticed anything. I do not recall if any player got the answer correct or even came close., but BB then explained that nobody helped Bledsoe back up off the turf. Bledsoe got help after that and even more. The 2001 team became tight like this 2025 is.

Maye said that they love each other. They are genuinely glad for each other when a big play or TD is made. The offense was ecstatic last Sunday when Diggs got his first NE TD. They have each other backs and Vrabel has the whole teams back.

 

[The Gr8est]

The league is set up to bring successful teams down. Salary cap. Scheduling. Drafting, ( manufactured offenses like Spygate and Deflategate), it's all designed to bring a juggernaut back to the pack, when other teams cannot do it on the field.

Fixed your post.

 

[ivanvamp]

Fixed your post.

Ha, true.

 

[XLIX]

(Some of) You people are taking things that every coach does and comparing it to Belichick despite it being quite a stretch.

“Vrabel congratulates his players after a win! Belichick used to do that!!”

“Vrabel coaches up his players to try and do better! Wow! Just like Belichick used to!!”

“Vrabel drinks water! OMG Belichick drinks water too!!!!!”

 

[TommyD4207]

The look on Milton’s face and that on Vrables is the perfect balance this team needs at this time.
One is managing and leading a young and potentially good team. The other is one who knows what it takes to win it all at the players level. I am encouraged .

Honestly, I thought the 'We won the game' comment from Vrabel was even better.

One champion reminding another champion to enjoy the ride.

 

[Ring 6]

PLEASE, Andy, Hollins has done nothing but get open and catch pretty much everything that is throw his way. PLUS be an asset in the run and screen games. Now I don't doubt Williams' potential or skills, it's just that at this moment, the guys in front of him are doing the job well and Hollins can do more than just catch the ball, though in the last few games he's been catching the ball a good clip too.

Don't worry. I'm sure he'll get his shot eventually through injury or his skills being necessary for a particular game plan. Meanwhile he'll get his 15-20 reps/g and hope Maye looks his way.

He gets open at an obscenely low rate. He always has. Are you really telling me his catch rate is him and not Maye? Prior to last game he was almost non-existent as a receiver.
When have we run screens?

He is not a threat at all as a WR.

 

[irishfanatic]

Once the players cross the white lines, what can you really do?

That particular line will NEVER get old.