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Actually you were asked to give reasons that TURNED OUT TO BE LEGITIMATE, not reasons for your current hand-wringing.

Those were legitimate reasons. What's funny is that I'm not even "hand-wringing". I've spent far less time this week wondering about the Patriots than I did most days during the offseason. What I did was called analysis. I did it in the most objective manner I thought possible, and I looked back on it after both games in order to see if time had changed my mind on either week.

What time has done is reinforce it. Well, time and the Patriots players and coaches, and the local and national media and analysts, and a whole lot of people who's football opinions I trust a great deal. I'm still expecting the team to turn things around, and I won't be surprised if it happens as early as this week. That won't change what happened in weeks 1 and 2, though, even if it occurs.

But you keep complaining and raging because somewhere, somehow, there's a person who thinks that Belichick has made mistakes and this team wasn't where it needed to be in the first two weeks of the season.
 
That's ridiculous. So YOU expect us to come out 5-0 winning every game by at least 20, and because they don't we should question them? Let me ask you. How do YOU know Belichick didn't sit down with his wife one July night and said. "Man it's gonna be a tough 4 week stretch easing Tom back in"

What if this was his plan all along? It would explain the ridiculous number of attempts, no? It's not like the run game hasn't worked. I doubt that we see it and the coaches fail to see it. So again, unless you expected them to go undefeated, saying they have issues here and there is so anal at this point because it's so early.

For all you know, BB could just be planning this. Not planning to lose, never would I say such an absurd thing, but rather to ease Tom back in. He is our franchise, and he is priority number one right? So again, unless we see this **** happening game 6, why post topic after topics *****ing already? People here are way too reactionary.


Come on BP. Are you saying 100 pass attempts in two games is "easing" TB back in? And you think BB might have planned it that way all along? Puhleez! And you think what I wrote was ridiculous?

Oh and here's a call out to everyone here at Pats fans, please raise your hand if the Pats are playing to your expectations so far this season.
 
Come on BP. Are you saying 100 pass attempts in two games is "easing" TB back in? And you think BB might have planned it that way all along? Puhleez! And you think what I wrote was ridiculous?

Oh and here's a call out to everyone here at Pats fans, please raise your hand if the Pats are playing to your expectations so far this season.

They are slowly going to work him back up to those 100 throw outings, like they do with all Red Sox pitchers.


Oh, wait......
 
Originally Posted by AndyJohnson
Everything I have ever seen says that BB is absolutely a control freak, totally a micromanager, and involved in everything. You suggest the opposite, do you have any sources or evidence?
Your Parcells comment rings hollow as well because Parcells definitely was a guy who delegated especially to BB.

Well, you could read the Education of a Coach, or other books about BB.
Pretty much everything I have ever heard or read about BB is that the central characteristic of his personality is that he tries to know everything about everything and leave no stone unturned.
I would imagine the stories of how he met with Brady every day his first season as a starter, to teach him how to read a defense would be a good starting point. Perhaps Vrabels comment I mentioned before.
Maybe the stories describing how we arrived in NE will a playbook that listed exactly what skillsets and qualities they were looking for in each position on the field, and so much detail that it even diagrammed and described in great detail how to huddle. I kind of thought anyone who had read anything about BB knew he was in control of everything.

I have read everything there is on the Patriots and BB, including the crap Holley wrote ("Moving the Chain" which was so watered down you coudn't get drunk on even if you drank it by the gallon), and I've read "Education" twice..

Now, the first thing that comes to my mind when you bring up the concept of BB micro-managing and being a control freak, is the famous principle that goes by the name of the two minute drill (for lack of a better term to apply to what I am about to discuss) that has won us so many games and gave us 2 out of 3 Lombardi's.

It is virtually impossible to micro-manage the two-minute drill. That is the one thing that the quarterback is in complete control of. There is just no time to audible him, and if you try to you are just asking for information overload. That is the clearest evidence that BB does delegate something- otherwise if he were a true micro-manager/control freak, he would not have entertained the two minute drill as a game tool.

Also let us examine a famous well known and proven control freak and micro-manager: Napoleon Bonaparte, who micromanaged to such an extent that he designed the stamp on the uniform buttons for his grenadiers.

His brilliant grasp of tactics and battlefield geography was second to none and propelled him to such height that he was able to expand the French Revolution outside of France to the point where it no longer was a 'revolution' but became the infamous 'total war' of Europe, and a crusade in imitation of Alexander the Great, that took him as far as Egypt (also where Alexander went, and is ironically buried). However his two defeats were both a fatal result of his micromanaging, in Russia (refusing to manumit the Russian Serfs which led to their deadly assault on his retreat), and more importantly at Waterloo where he had engaged in a war of attrition with Wellington and did not see the crushing flank assault by the Prussians that destroyed his army, because of desire to assume the classic battle posture "Central Position" which you use to beat a larger foe by splitting it in half or preventing it from unifying (in this case, England unifying with Prussia). However, his love of the "Central Position" was also a byproduct of his desire to see the battlefield from a vantage point so he could micromanage it. Had he allowed Marquis de Grouchy (commander of the Army of the North) any semblance of autonomy, Grouchy would have taken the initiative to head off the Prussian front before it reached Waterloo to open up another ill-afforded front against Napoleon. Instead, Grouchy followed orders to pursue the Prussian Army , over the famous "march towards the sounds of the guns" alternative that so many military historians have advocated would have had won for Napoleon, the battle of Waterloo.

In summary, he had a brilliant, but short career. From the day he became Emperor of France to the day he fell at Waterloo, just a little over a decade passed. This is a very short period of time where nations, warfare, and conquests are concerned.

Part of the reason I love the game of football is that its dynamics, in real-time, evolves pretty much faster than any human mind is able to minutely analyze it, and only in retrospect or extensive video analysis, is one able to break down the game into its many thousands of elements, and even then as this forum has proved, you can argue these elements to no end (thus one never gets tired of loving the game). And this is professional football. You absolutely just cannot micromanage or be a control freak and expect to last long, because the game evolves so fast, from year to year and on many levels, and not even the most brilliant mind, as Napoleon has proved, can keep up, if it is micro-managing or being a control freak.

By psychological definition, a micro-manager and/or control freak is rigid, static, and non-evolving, because those are byproducts of, and the mechanism with which one deals with anxiety, self-doubt, or low self-esteem, and you cannot evolve, or grow, or learn if you have the anxiety, self-doubt, or low self-esteem that contribute to the dysfunctional behavior in the first place.

We have seen time and again that BB is not afraid to throw concepts out the window, trade away major players that most still think are in their primes, and judge players not on their pedigree but on how they perform here and now, all in order to remain competitive. These elements are not hallmarks of a control freak or micro-managers, because those are dabbling in unknown qualitatives.

He may have micro-managed at an early point in his career, but to say that he still does, is an anomaly because then by logic, he would not have been able to evolve, he would not have been able to stay on top and be competitive for so long.

Also, if you study the psychological byproducts of a micro-managing superior in a workplace, you will see he or she is surrounded by enablers who are too, suffering from low self-esteem (the enablerism serves the dual-reciprocal relationship) to the point of allowing themselves to be micro-managed. Now if you look at Tom Brady, you would imagine he is the farthest thing from someone who has a low-self esteem. I really don't think he would subject himself to being micro-managed, year in, year out, especially if he were not able to completely take over in critical moments of the game and shine in the spotlight. That would be too much for his personal pride, hunger, and love of the game. I imagine the same is true, to a lesser extent and applicative to the rest of the players.

I know this homily is long-winded and will try not to do this again. Now this is not a criticism or refutation to what Andy says, it is just a series of suggestion why I think otherwise.

One reason I love discussing and analyzing this is that many of the elements we are discussing here are applicative to real life for a lot of us and we can actually make use of the many ideas, philosophies, and doctrines of pro football.
 
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This is a game meant to entertain fans.As fans we have the right to cheer...and the right to boo and criticize. That does NOT mean that ANYBODY,as a fan,knows any more than what he sees in the emotional context of fandom.

There isn't ONE member of this board, given the reins to the Patriots team that would produce better than an 0-16 season.

You think Belichick has made too many mistakes, then suggest who YOU would replace him with right now.Let's carry this teeth gnashing, breast beating exercise out to the very end.
 
I think far more problems with this team exist in the minds of members of this board than ever exist in the bowels of Gillette. Fanatics are by nature torn between unrealistic expectations and the need to say I told you so when they aren't met (or even when they are if not in the way they proposed it should be). That dichotomy, combined with a lot of agenda driven opinions fueled by arrogance, ignorance or just the old standby testosterone driven ego doesn't make for terribly intelligent discourse.

This board is polarized as a result. We can't rationally look at or discuss things critically because of all the mindless criticism that unleashes. And we can't support this team because of all the anti homer backlash that unleashes. There is no middle of the road or opportunity for developing concensus here anymore. This is board warfare and all sides are dug in. People suddenly care more about supporting their own posting principles and opinions than they actually do about supporting or rationally analyzing this team.

I hear lots of arguments that start out with the premise: what else are we supposed to do here...this is a message board :blahblah: (implying that they all exist merely as venues to argue and outlets for frustration). Similar to Felger's sports talk radio rationale (happy is boring). But this is a Patriots fans message board Ian intended to establish as a community of what he claimed were the best fans on earth. On that basis this place is becomming an EPIC FAIL. People used to come here to follow the latest news, interact with folks with similar interest in the team, talk about football and team issues and believe it or not sometimes learn something simply by lurking and reading some fairly intelligent posters who perhaps knew a little more than them about X's and O's or a whole lot more than most about the salary cap... Now they come here to spar and jab and spew insults at each other or the players or the team...or to crash the server while adding their 2 cents to the latest eposide of an ego driven show that premiered back in 2006, patsfans pissing match meltdown.

:agree: Well said

Learning, was what made me want to check this site daily. I still like the site, but maybe not as much as i used to, because of the reasons you stated.
 
:agree: Well said

Learning, was what made me want to check this site daily. I still like the site, but maybe not as much as i used to, because of the reasons you stated.
I think that was well stated as well...a lot has changed in that I feel there is less real discussion and more clueless wankers who think because they are good in Madden that they know how to run a football team..more the likes of those that felger and Borges stir up.
 
This is a game meant to entertain fans.As fans we have the right to cheer...and the right to boo and criticize. That does NOT mean that ANYBODY,as a fan,knows any more than what he sees in the emotional context of fandom.

I agree with you completely. Although I would distinguish between questioning or criticizing and booing. I haven't heard any booing and even the criticism has been levied in support of the team. We all want to see BB and the NEP succeed.

You think Belichick has made too many mistakes, then suggest who YOU would replace him with right now.Let's carry this teeth gnashing, breast beating exercise out to the very end.

I don't think I've heard anyone, with the exception of maybe NEPatriot, advocate getting rid of BB. That's just crazy. We're just considering some of the reasons this team has looked so bad the first two games. I've heard BB himself admit this is NOT how he drew it up for either game and that he has to do a better job. It's all good man. In BB we trust... just not to the exclusion of reason and common sense.
 
Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

Every single thing that happens on the field, is not intentionally done or decided upon by Bill Belichick. He is not a micro-manager dictator. Multiple books/articles have interviewed him saying he's learned since Cleveland to delegate more, trust and give his coordinators autonomy under an overall vision/guidance he gives.

It's unlikely that Belichick specifically wanted to only blitz rookie QB Mark Sanchez three times all game; that was more likely Dean Pees. It's unlikely Belichick specifically wanted to use 3-WR every single play and almost always out of shot gun, completely abandoning the run - that was more likely inexperienced O'Brien's play-calling during the game.

Did Belichick call the game-winning drives in 2001, 2003, and 2004? Nope, that was Charlie Weiss. Did Belichick call the horrible game-ending Patriots drive in 2007? Nope, that was McDaniels. Did Belichick micro-manage the 2005 defense when Mangini was stinking it up as coordinator? Nope, he let him do his thing almost the entire season.

This is also a reason why so many owners and GM's try to hire Patriots coaches or front office people...people like McDaniels, Weiss, Crennel, Pioli, Mangini. They know these people deserved credit for the Patriot successes, they were making decisions too, that they weren't merely robots executing what Belichick dictated them to do in excruciating detail. By saying it is always Belichick, is taking away credit (and blame) from the people who work under Belichick. It's also as silly as taking credit away from Belichick the coordinator, when he worked for Bill Parcells and their Giants championships.

Belichick is the best coach of the modern era, but he isn't a micro-manager. Like any boss, he meets with them to go over their work, give feedback/suggestions, reiterate his vision and expectations. He does the best he can managing the entire team, and gives his coordinators much autonomy. To claim that every single criticism is somehow an attack on Belichick, or to ascribe every event/tendency on the field as a decision by Belichick, is giving the man too much credit and blame. The most extreme of this are people wondering recently if Belichick intentionally loses games.
 
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In any event the gist of what you're saying is right, but the implicit scapegoating (if I'm reading things correctly) is not. The Patriots win as an organization and lose as an organization, and that's how I think it should be viewed. At every level, scouting, front-office hiring, coach hiring, drafting, free agency, tape analysis, game-planning, training, practice, mental preparation, execution, and in game coaching, there's something that could have been done better to lead to a win. That's why it's not productive to try to pin losses on individuals. In any event, the buck stops with Belichick.
 
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Very good post. Thanks for putting things in the correct perspective and context.

I've seen many previous posts from you where you have been critical of McDaniels (and you kinda criticized him in this thread also for the final drive of SB42). But its good to see you give some credit:
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This is also a reason why so many owners and GM's try to hire Patriots coaches or front office people...people like McDaniels, Weiss, Crennel, Pioli, Mangini. They know these people deserved credit for the Patriot successes,...
 
Re: Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

Just for the record, the 5 star rating didn't come from me
 
Re: Giving Bill Belichick Too Much Blame and/or Credit

In any event, the buck stops with Belichick.

That applies to ANY boss or manager (or President), so what? It doesn't automatically mean that Belichick his hands in more places than any other manager. That Belichick is a micro-manager, is a myth.

Belichick may have initiated and studied the Urban Meyer spread offense, but it was McDaniels who called the plays to score all those points. Belichick may have switched to a 3-4 defense after 2001, but it was Romeo Crennel who called the attacking opportunistic defense. It was Charlie Weiss who called max protect to get the ball to Troy Brown in 2001, leading to our first championship. Scott Pioli didn't get a bunch of money and power in KC because he was Belichick's lackey. Belichick uses his workers as sounding boards, they don't just follow orders, he takes their input too. This goes way back to even when he was defensive coordinator with the Giants, listening to his players' input.

At the same time, the failures of the team can be attributed partly to the people who work for Belichick. The criticisms on this forum now, about predictive tendencies, or odd play calls, are not direct criticisms of Belichick. The blind Belichick lovers seem to take it too personally to see any criticisms of the team.
 
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Very good post. Thanks for putting things in the correct perspective and context.

I've seen many previous posts from you where you have been critical of McDaniels (and you kinda criticized him in this thread also for the final drive of SB42). But its good to see you give some credit


I do give McDaniels credit. He's one of the bright young minds in the entire league, and he called the plays from 2005-2008 which generated a lot of statistical success (historically great success, to boot). I give McDaniels more credit for this than I do Belichick, who initiated and oversaw the whole thing. At the same time, when I criticize the 2005-2008 offense for being too finesse, predictable, slow-to-adjust/stubborn, pass-happy and shot-gun happy, the criticism is also more McDaniels than it is Belichick. The same way I'm giving McDaniels credit and blame, is the same I would view Mike Martz for his credit and blame with the Rams as offensive coordinator.
 
Where is that post that made a reference to the North Korean leader. Never doubt our great leader etc., etc.,. That belongs here.
 
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Oh and here's a call out to everyone here at Pats fans, please raise your hand if the Pats are playing to your expectations so far this season.

OK, I'll take that call out and say that I am not surprised at what has happened and that I expected that the season could start this way; in fact, I put it in writing on this Board before the Bills game when I wrote that, on paper, this is a 13 or 14 win team but that I thought there were way too many variables to see them winning more than 11 this season. Needless to say, it wasn't a popular view.

Those variables as I described them in writing were: Brady's return from a season-ending injury that has taken virtually every QB who suffered it a while to get over after he returned to play; a revamped D with a lot of moving pieces, some of which were put into play the week before the season started with the Seymour move; the usual vagaries of injuries and luck, which, unfortunately, did come into play with the absence of Mayo and Welker last week.

My view, once again as written then and not in 20-20 hindsight, was simple: if you introduce too many variables with a high degree of uncertainty into ANY system (let alone one as complex as an NFL season), the result will be a lot of volatility especially, in the case of an NFL season, at the outset. So far, that is proving to be true.

I see the Pats getting this together by (and hopefully before) the bye week. Remember that Belichick is fond of saying he never knows what he has until around Week Six. Our bye is after Week Seven. Things are way too volatile at this point to predict what our record will be at that point and I'm just taking it one game at a time.

For my money, this season will be defined by that stretch of three games in November when we travel to Indy and then play the Jests and Saints in Foxboro.
 
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I have read everything there is on the Patriots and BB, including the crap Holley wrote ("Moving the Chain" which was so watered down you coudn't get drunk on even if you drank it by the gallon), and I've read "Education" twice..

Now, the first thing that comes to my mind when you bring up the concept of BB micro-managing and being a control freak, is the famous principle that goes by the name of the two minute drill (for lack of a better term to apply to what I am about to discuss) that has won us so many games and gave us 2 out of 3 Lombardi's.

It is virtually impossible to micro-manage the two-minute drill. That is the one thing that the quarterback is in complete control of. There is just no time to audible him, and if you try to you are just asking for information overload. That is the clearest evidence that BB does delegate something- otherwise if he were a true micro-manager/control freak, he would not have entertained the two minute drill as a game tool.

Also let us examine a famous well known and proven control freak and micro-manager: Napoleon Bonaparte, who micromanaged to such an extent that he designed the stamp on the uniform buttons for his grenadiers.

His brilliant grasp of tactics and battlefield geography was second to none and propelled him to such height that he was able to expand the French Revolution outside of France to the point where it no longer was a 'revolution' but became the infamous 'total war' of Europe, and a crusade in imitation of Alexander the Great, that took him as far as Egypt (also where Alexander went, and is ironically buried). However his two defeats were both a fatal result of his micromanaging, in Russia (refusing to manumit the Russian Serfs which led to their deadly assault on his retreat), and more importantly at Waterloo where he had engaged in a war of attrition with Wellington and did not see the crushing flank assault by the Prussians that destroyed his army, because of desire to assume the classic battle posture "Central Position" which you use to beat a larger foe by splitting it in half or preventing it from unifying (in this case, England unifying with Prussia). However, his love of the "Central Position" was also a byproduct of his desire to see the battlefield from a vantage point so he could micromanage it. Had he allowed Marquis de Grouchy (commander of the Army of the North) any semblance of autonomy, Grouchy would have taken the initiative to head off the Prussian front before it reached Waterloo to open up another ill-afforded front against Napoleon. Instead, Grouchy followed orders to pursue the Prussian Army , over the famous "march towards the sounds of the guns" alternative that so many military historians have advocated would have had won for Napoleon, the battle of Waterloo.

In summary, he had a brilliant, but short career. From the day he became Emperor of France to the day he fell at Waterloo, just a little over a decade passed. This is a very short period of time where nations, warfare, and conquests are concerned.

Part of the reason I love the game of football is that its dynamics, in real-time, evolves pretty much faster than any human mind is able to minutely analyze it, and only in retrospect or extensive video analysis, is one able to break down the game into its many thousands of elements, and even then as this forum has proved, you can argue these elements to no end (thus one never gets tired of loving the game). And this is professional football. You absolutely just cannot micromanage or be a control freak and expect to last long, because the game evolves so fast, from year to year and on many levels, and not even the most brilliant mind, as Napoleon has proved, can keep up, if it is micro-managing or being a control freak.

By psychological definition, a micro-manager and/or control freak is rigid, static, and non-evolving, because those are byproducts of, and the mechanism with which one deals with anxiety, self-doubt, or low self-esteem, and you cannot evolve, or grow, or learn if you have the anxiety, self-doubt, or low self-esteem that contribute to the dysfunctional behavior in the first place.

We have seen time and again that BB is not afraid to throw concepts out the window, trade away major players that most still think are in their primes, and judge players not on their pedigree but on how they perform here and now, all in order to remain competitive. These elements are not hallmarks of a control freak or micro-managers, because those are dabbling in unknown qualitatives.

He may have micro-managed at an early point in his career, but to say that he still does, is an anomaly because then by logic, he would not have been able to evolve, he would not have been able to stay on top and be competitive for so long.

Also, if you study the psychological byproducts of a micro-managing superior in a workplace, you will see he or she is surrounded by enablers who are too, suffering from low self-esteem (the enablerism serves the dual-reciprocal relationship) to the point of allowing themselves to be micro-managed. Now if you look at Tom Brady, you would imagine he is the farthest thing from someone who has a low-self esteem. I really don't think he would subject himself to being micro-managed, year in, year out, especially if he were not able to completely take over in critical moments of the game and shine in the spotlight. That would be too much for his personal pride, hunger, and love of the game. I imagine the same is true, to a lesser extent and applicative to the rest of the players.

I know this homily is long-winded and will try not to do this again. Now this is not a criticism or refutation to what Andy says, it is just a series of suggestion why I think otherwise.

One reason I love discussing and analyzing this is that many of the elements we are discussing here are applicative to real life for a lot of us and we can actually make use of the many ideas, philosophies, and doctrines of pro football.


One of the best posts of the month.


This thread is way off base from its first post and in its title, because it implies people aren't trusting Belichick and thinking they know more. It is taking personally every single criticism of the team, as an attack on Belichick, when it's not the case. They are criticisms of the coordinators (who have significant autonomy).
 
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I hear lots of arguments that start out with the premise: what else are we supposed to do here...this is a message board :blahblah: (implying that they all exist merely as venues to argue and outlets for frustration). Similar to Felger's sports talk radio rationale (happy is boring). But this is a Patriots fans message board Ian intended to establish as a community of what he claimed were the best fans on earth. On that basis this place is becomming an EPIC FAIL. People used to come here to follow the latest news, interact with folks with similar interest in the team, talk about football and team issues and believe it or not sometimes learn something simply by lurking and reading some fairly intelligent posters who perhaps knew a little more than them about X's and O's or a whole lot more than most about the salary cap... Now they come here to spar and jab and spew insults at each other or the players or the team...or to crash the server while adding their 2 cents to the latest eposide of an ego driven show that premiered back in 2006, patsfans pissing match meltdown.

Well-said Mo. I've been very clear on where I stand in multiple posts, going back to the pre-season. The shorthand version is: great team that should win 13/14 on paper but that will win no more than 11 because of the uncertainty introduced by TB's injury, new personnel on D and the usual stuff that unexpectedly impacts an NFL season. I still see them as 11--5, finishing strong, winning the Division and contending for the SB, but I've never thought the road would be pretty.

There seem to be three positions out here (sometimes overlapping), into which people have dug themselves so deep they can't back off or dig out without losing face.

1) Profound disappointment at the Pats performance to date leading to flailing around and looking for a goat or goats as to why a team this good is playing this unexpectedly.

2) Skepticism as to whether the team is really as good as people say it is, leading to finger pointing about off-season moves over the past couple of years. This position is taken by some very knowledgeable folks with whom I disagree but whom I respect.

3) In reaction to 1) and 2) above, the view that the board is full of nervous nellies who don't know the game and who have no intestinal fortitude. This view is also taken by folks I respect; I just wish they would take a deep breath and let others vent a bit.

Beyond those three viewpoints, there is a pretty large cadre of folks who are trying reasonably to understand what is going on and, in some cases, recalibrate their expectations. These posts tend to get overlooked or skipped in the border wars that can erupt in any thread.

That's a volatile mix, given the anonymity with which we are able to post here; there are no consequences for being exceptionally rude unless we step over one of Ian's big bright lines.

I think the current state of our neighborhood on this Board is completely normal and that we all just have to go with the flow. We can just ignore people with whom we profoundly disagree or who we think are making fools of themselves.
 
Here you go again wildly exaggerating and twisting what was said, because you don't have anything to stand on.


I'm not even going to bother repeating what was written. Everyone else can go back and read what I wrote, and how you wildly misinterpreted it. Either you did it deliberately, which is pretty low, or you didn't legitimately understand it which is probably even more embarrassing.

These are your words.

To claim that only blitzing a rookie QB 3 total times, or to pass 100 times in 2 games, or that repeatedly using shot gun the vast majority of your plays is all Belichick-approved, is ridiculous

How is that not saying Pees was responsible for the gameplan and BB disagreed with it? I should have added that he ignores the offensive gameplan and playcalling too.

You are implying that almost every strategy the Patriots employ is wrong, and then trying to defend your commment by saying obviously BB knows that but has no control. Thats ridiculous.
 
How is that not saying Pees was responsible for the gameplan and BB disagreed with it? I should have added that he ignores the offensive gameplan and playcalling too.


What is ridiculous is you trying to claim that Belichick DECIDED to only blitz 3 times at a rookie QB, or to exclusively use only 1 formation all game, when it was clearly the coordinators making those calls.

You can't even name one instance when Belichick ever publicly criticized or over-ruled his coordinator in public.

It's not a major concept to understand that Belichick's coordinators actually have some autonomy and decision making on their own, under the vision Belichick sets. The entire NFL league disagrees with you, which is why they have been hiring so many ex-Belichick coaches and personnel managers in recent years.
 
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