I'll admit i was wrong - Amendola didn't work

[supafly]

So if you believe Amendola is worth his deal Decker probably is worth about $15 million per season.

I didn't come remotely close to suggesting such a thing.

I said that if Amendola's production was about 2/3rds of his production, and will make less than 2/3rds of his salary, then we shouldn't be acting like the world is over because someone was injured and "only" caught 54 balls this year.

He averaged 4.5 catches in his 12 reg season games. Most expected about 6 catches if he only played 12 games, so there's a lot of overreacting going on here for a 3.5m dollar cap hit.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I am glad Brady wasn't evaluated like this in 2008 when his cap hit was $14 million.

 

[supafly]

Well to be fair both of them had 0 catches in the AFCCG.

Ya think it may have had anything to do with the fact that our receiving corps was a complete joke?

Not too many realistic weapons for their defense to actually worry about, was there?

One can assume that Amendola was awfully high up on their list of priorities, especially since Edelman was the one getting the free releases and the majority of looks in the short passing game.

Hell, they only targeted Amendola ONE time throughout the game. That should tell you pretty much all you need to know about how DEN was playing things.

 

[Brady6]

I didn't come remotely close to suggesting such a thing.

I said that if Amendola's production was about 2/3rds of his production, and will make less than 2/3rds of his salary, then we shouldn't be acting like the world is over because someone was injured and "only" caught 54 balls this year.

He averaged 4.5 catches in his 12 reg season games. Most expected about 6 catches if he only played 12 games, so there's a lot of overreacting going on here for a 3.5m dollar cap hit.

The problem is that you want to just say - what is the big deal it is a $3.5 million cap hit. That ignores that we hired Amendola to do a job and he failed to do that job which forced us to turn to a player who fortunately was able to step in but if Edelman hadn’t then what? We needed the production that we signed Amendola to give us and now we have to likely resign Edelman to a big contract because we cannot rely Amendola in 2014 so in the end it is not just a $3.5 million cap hit it is this team having to turn to someone else to do the job it hired Danny to do and now it is going to be Edelman and Amendola’s cap hit instead of just 1 or the other because of how this unfolded. That is a misuse of resources because no matter how much people think Amendola can play on the same team as Edelman it is not in the best interest of the team to have 2 big contracts invested into 2 players that basically play the same position. We did not lack a slot wide receiver in the Broncos game we lacked an outside threat at the Y-WR and unless Boyce makes the 2nd year leap (which I am very hopeful for) we will likely be lacking that same thing in 2014 because we will not be able to resign Edelman and sign someone else to do that, if we didn’t have all our cap money going into WR-Z we could have went out and offered a James Jones or someone like that a 2-3 year deal for $3-$4 million per. In my opinion it is a huge deal, these types of misuse of resources is how teams end up in cap hell.

 

[Brady6]

I am glad Brady wasn't evaluated like this in 2008 when his cap hit was $14 million.

Icy Brady was a 3 time SB champion QB who went on injured reserve in week 1. Amendola is a WR who has 3 career playoff catches and hurt his groin in week one and doesn’t even require surgery.

 

[Nehalem]

Ya think it may have had anything to do with the fact that our receiving corps was a complete joke?

Not too many realistic weapons for their defense to actually worry about, was there?

One can assume that Amendola was awfully high up on their list of priorities, especially since Edelman was the one getting the free releases and the majority of looks in the short passing game.

Hell, they only targeted Amendola ONE time throughout the game. That should tell you pretty much all you need to know about how DEN was playing things.

Or it should tell you how badly Amendola played in the biggest game of the season.

 

[Deus Irae]

Or it should tell you how badly Amendola played in the biggest game of the season.

:welcome:

Let's play "Patsfans.com posters' postseason logic"

• In 2007, Welker had 27 catches for 213 yards and 2 TDs
• In 2010, coming back from his ACL injury and still obviously not 100%, Welker had 7 catches and 57 yards in the Patriots only game that postseason
• In 2011, Welker had 19 catches for 168 yards and a TD.
• In 2012, Welker had 16 catches for 248 yards and a TD.
• In 2013, playing post-concussion and clearly not mentally 100% back, Welker has 10 catches for 76 yards and a TD.
• In 2013, Amendola had 3 catches for 77 yards.

Somehow, Welker's a problem in the playoffs and Amendola will be the solution. :bricks:

 

[Archeryaddict12]

:welcome:



Let's play "Patsfans.com posters' postseason logic"

• In 2007, Welker had 27 catches for 213 yards and 2 TDs
  
• In 2010, coming back from his ACL injury and still obviously not 100%, Welker had 7 catches and 57 yards in the Patriots only game that postseason
  
• In 2011, Welker had 19 catches for 168 yards and a TD.
  
• In 2012, Welker had 16 catches for 248 yards and a TD.
  
• In 2013, playing post-concussion and clearly not mentally 100% back, Welker has 10 catches for 76 yards and a TD.
  
• In 2013, Amendola had 3 catches for 77 yards.
  

Somehow, Welker's a problem in the playoffs and Amendola will be the solution. :bricks:

At least amendola didn't drop a SB winning pass

 

[Deus Irae]

At least amendola didn't drop a SB winning pass

Amendola didn't do enough to even get to that point...

 

[Bhelmet]

Or it should tell you how badly Amendola played in the biggest game of the season.

Outside of Collins (mainly b/c he's a rook and made a NICE rook leap for the year) - who was a standout in that game? I am not sticking up for Amendola, but it was one of the most pathetic O performances of the season - never mind in our playoff/AFCCG history.

 

[Brady6]

Outside of Collins (mainly b/c he's a rook and made a NICE rook leap for the year) - who was a standout in that game? I am not sticking up for Amendola, but it was one of the most pathetic O performances of the season - never mind in our playoff/AFCCG history.

Edelman had 10 catches for 89 yards and 1 touchdown, Vereen had 93 total yards (rushing/receiving and Collie had by far his best game of the season with 4 catches for 57 yards. In addition Ryan Allen had an excellent game as did Devin McCourty and Donte Hightower.

People have this perception that we got destroyed in Denver but we didn’t, the defense held a team that averaged 37.9 PPG during 2013 to 26 points that’s nearly 12 points less than their average. Tom Brady completed 63% of his passes for 277 receiving yards and a 93.9 QB rating. It is not as if the other players around Amendola were sucking up the building and Brady couldn’t throw a hotdog down a hallway, I highlighted the players above that had good games but others helped out – Dobson made 2 big catches despite playing a broken foot, Hooman had 2 big catches. The passing game was effective, Amendola was not and the only person to blame for that is Amendola.

 

[letekro]

Edelman had 10 catches for 89 yards and 1 touchdown, Vereen had 93 total yards (rushing/receiving and Collie had by far his best game of the season with 4 catches for 57 yards. In addition Ryan Allen had an excellent game as did Devin McCourty and Donte Hightower.

People have this perception that we got destroyed in Denver but we didn’t, the defense held a team that averaged 37.9 PPG during 2013 to 26 points that’s nearly 12 points less than their average. Tom Brady completed 63% of his passes for 277 receiving yards and a 93.9 QB rating. It is not as if the other players around Amendola were sucking up the building and Brady couldn’t throw a hotdog down a hallway, I highlighted the players above that had good games but others helped out – Dobson made 2 big catches despite playing a broken foot, Hooman had 2 big catches. The passing game was effective, Amendola was not and the only person to blame for that is Amendola.

The passing game was effective? We had 3 points until almost halfway thru the 4th quarter. We racked up a bunch of yards in garbage time. I hope you know that u are using stats in a very misleading way.

 

[Patsrock]

Edelman had 10 catches for 89 yards and 1 touchdown, Vereen had 93 total yards (rushing/receiving and Collie had by far his best game of the season with 4 catches for 57 yards. In addition Ryan Allen had an excellent game as did Devin McCourty and Donte Hightower.

People have this perception that we got destroyed in Denver but we didn’t, the defense held a team that averaged 37.9 PPG during 2013 to 26 points that’s nearly 12 points less than their average. Tom Brady completed 63% of his passes for 277 receiving yards and a 93.9 QB rating. It is not as if the other players around Amendola were sucking up the building and Brady couldn’t throw a hotdog down a hallway, I highlighted the players above that had good games but others helped out – Dobson made 2 big catches despite playing a broken foot, Hooman had 2 big catches. The passing game was effective, Amendola was not and the only person to blame for that is Amendola.

Huh? Pats passing game was not working at all until the Broncos went into prevent defense. Yes Amendola had a bad game but so did the entire offense. Brady was 13-22 142yds before the final 2 TD drives.

Pats lost this game because defense while holding to FGs still couldn't get off the field. The offense because they couldnt sustain any drives until mid 4th. Wasnt just because Amendola had a bad game.

 

[Brady6]

Huh? Pats passing game was not working at all until the Broncos went into prevent defense. Yes Amendola had a bad game but so did the entire offense. Brady was 13-22 142yds before the final 2 TD drives.



Pats lost this game because defense while holding to FGs still couldn't get off the field. The offense because they couldnt sustain any drives until mid 4th. Wasnt just because Amendola had a bad game.

Trust me I was not implying that we lost because of Amendola I was pointing out that all players were not poor in that game and Brady was not throwing erratically.

 

[Brady6]

The passing game was effective? We had 3 points until almost halfway thru the 4th quarter. We racked up a bunch of yards in garbage time. I hope you know that u are using stats in a very misleading way.

Not really Amendola was on the field during garbage time and could have racked up those garbage time stats as well if he had been able to get open against a prevent defense. It would have been misleading if I used stats that were compiled without Amendola on the field. Basically the stats just highlight that even in garbage time when other players were effective Amendola couldn't do anything.

 

[letekro]

Not really Amendola was on the field during garbage time and could have racked up those garbage time stats as well if he had been able to get open against a prevent defense. It would have been misleading if I used stats that were compiled without Amendola on the field. Basically the stats just highlight that even in garbage time when other players were effective Amendola couldn't do anything.

If your point is Amendola wasn't effective, I don't think anyone disagrees. But.....you said the Patriots passing game was effective. If you have a point, it is eluding me.

 

[supafly]

In addition Ryan Allen had an excellent game as did Devin McCourty and Donte Hightower.

The passing game was effective? We had 3 points until almost halfway thru the 4th quarter. We racked up a bunch of yards in garbage time. I hope you know that u are using stats in a very misleading way.

I think anytime you need to resort to listing the punter as having a good game, particularly in a game you've lost, you're kind of reaching a bit...

On top of that, Devin McCourty didn't have anything of an "excellent game" by far. Actually, there wasn't any secondary player who could be viewed as having anything close to an "excellent game;" considering that we gave up over 400+ passing yards.

Give me a break.

 

[supafly]

:welcome:

Let's play "Patsfans.com posters' postseason logic"

• In 2007, Welker had 27 catches for 213 yards and 2 TDs
• In 2010, coming back from his ACL injury and still obviously not 100%, Welker had 7 catches and 57 yards in the Patriots only game that postseason
• In 2011, Welker had 19 catches for 168 yards and a TD.
• In 2012, Welker had 16 catches for 248 yards and a TD.
• In 2013, playing post-concussion and clearly not mentally 100% back, Welker has 10 catches for 76 yards and a TD.
• In 2013, Amendola had 3 catches for 77 yards.

Somehow, Welker's a problem in the playoffs and Amendola will be the solution. :bricks:

I'm simply stating that our receiving corps was such a joke that even underachieving Danny Amendola was extremely high on their list of priorities to defend. Who else did they actually need to worry about, especially considering that they allowed a free release off the line for Julian Edelman, who was basically the only productive WR?

Judging by the target totals outside of Julian Edelman (which included Matthew Slater and Matthew Mulligan, along with Austin Collie on a deep route), that would certainly seem to be quite true.

I don't think it take a genius to realize that if Amendola were the one receiving free releases off the line, he'd had have a more productive day. Apparently this thought is going over the heads of many due to Amendola's down year, and that's a bit of a shame in my opinion.

 

[Deus Irae]

Personally, I'm not saying a word about Wes Welker, nor have I.

I'm simply stating that our receiving corps was such a joke that even underachieving Danny Amendola was extremely high on their list of priorities to defend. Who else did they actually need to worry about, especially considering that they allowed a free release off the line for Julian Edelman, who was basically the only productive WR?

Judging by the target totals outside of Julian Edelman (which included Matthew Slater and Matthew Mulligan, along with Austin Collie on a deep route), that would certainly seem to be quite true.

I don't think it take a genius to realize that if Amendola were the one receiving free releases off the line, he'd had have a more productive day, no? Apparently this thought is going over the heads of many, and that's a bit of a shame.

My post had not been targeted at you, and was just a general observation on how ridiculous this board's been about Welker recently, but since you brought it back up:

Welker gets hit at the line. Welker got/gets either doubled or shaded on a high percentage of plays, both in NE and in DEN. Amendola was supposed to be better than Welker, according to many, but he can't accomplish the same things under the same pressures, whether or not it's because of injury.

Amendola had 2 excellent drives in the Bills game. Amendola was the beneficiary of some boneheaded defense in the Miami game. Take those two games out, and Amendola only averaged about 3.4 catches per game.

Amendola's been held to 3 catches or fewer in 20 games since entering the NFL in 2009, including 5 times this past season. Welker's only been held to 3 catches or fewer in 14 games since he joined the Patriots in 2007, and one of those was the game where he blew his knee out early against Houston.


The hope is that we see significant improvement next season. We wouldn't need to hope that if they'd just kept Welker in the first place.

 

[supafly]

My post had not been targeted at you, and was just a general observation on how ridiculous this board's been about Welker recently, but since you brought it back up:

Apparently your ears must have been burning, as I just recently went back and edited my post

I assumed that it may/may not have been specifically targeted at me, but due to the fact that the poster was responding to me, I figured it was at least worth pondering.

I do agree with you in regards to the board's general misconception of the Welker/Amendola issue, and I admit to being one who incorrectly assumed that DA would likely be replicating roughly 2/3 of Welker's catches--or approx. 80 receptions.

It has been a shame for 2013, although I don't seem to personally be as worried as some others, which may/may not prove to be incorrect. As a whole, I'm not as down on Amendola's season in general, nor the poor AFCCG performance, but some of that is just a total disgust for the position's options this year in general.