If Mac and BB have irreconcilable differences, what is Mac’s trade value?

[kitty7]

What are the expectations for Mac in 23-24’? And do you believe he will meet them?

What keeps him vs what gets him moved in 24’?

Assuming of course he’s here this year (which I think is going to be the case) and not moved.

However, I don’t doubt Bill put out feelers to see what Mac worth would currently be. If there is rift maybe Bill waits until next year, especially if he thinks Mac can do a little better in 23-24’, and he can get more at that point in a move. Maybe BB brought in BO so “coaches” can’t be the excuse, but won’t get Mac any real weapons…

 

[Huckleberry1]

I agree about keeping politics out. I did not read Ken’s post as being political.

Ken’s post wasn’t completely political, but in todays politics when a shot is fired then some are coming back, and it deteriorates from there. And if people aren’t taking shots then it’s much easier to just talk football. There is plenty to disagree on there as it is

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Ken’s post wasn’t completely political, but in todays politics when a shot is fired then some are coming back, and it deteriorates from there. And if people aren’t taking shots then it’s much easier to just talk football. There is plenty to disagree on there as it is

Agreed. Ken commonly throws in his "political analogies" which is unfortunate. Otherwise he is a good poster, but sliding in the political stuff is inappropriate. You would think grown men could respect one another.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Agreed. Ken commonly throws in his "political analogies" which is unfortunate. Otherwise he is a good poster, but sliding in the political stuff is inappropriate. You would think grown men could respect one another.

There would be no political talk or I should say talk of political talk if it wasn't brought up. His post didn't get any politcal retorts, most people just took is as the analogy he meant it to be.

 

[patfanken]

Ken, I have a great deal of respect for you, but delete this post. This isn’t a political forum, and putting political posts out here ruins this forum. Everyone should talk football, there should be zero politics in this forum, it’s simply too divisive to do here.

Sorry if you thought my intention was to politicize the thread. But your complaint is kind of knee jerk reaction. The point was to show how even an undeniable lie can be observed as a truth by people who want that narrative to be true. I needed an example and the 2020 election lie was an obvious choice at the time. If I had given it more thought I could have used the one where there are STILL people who believe to their core that Brady was guilty of deflating footballs despite the lack of ANY discernible evidence. They just WANT it to be true.

BUT my point is, it was a good example of where the thread was going....at least IMHO.

 

[PatsSince74]

Heah is wutz gonna happen:
Lamar goes back to Baltimore to play w/ OBJ (& they win SB).
RK/BB/Mac resolve their hurt feelings, Pats go 11-6 + win a WC game; Mac 30-6 TD/Int., 118.6 rating, etc.
Lamar, again denied his long-term deal by Ravens, is traded.
Belichick, w/ much cap space & evil wizardry, captures him for somehow (hypnotically?) less than $250.M+ guaranteed, swapping Mac & 1st + misc. picks & players to Baltimore.
OBJ decides he likes Lamar & Rings, tags along to Pats for vet min salary.
2024 Pats win SB.
BOB goes to LV as HC; Josh comes back to Foxboro as OC.
2025 BB strips all staff of all titles, secretly assigns HC to Jerod, GM to Groh, disappears except for Zoom appearances while afloat in Nantucket.
Pats lose AFC title to Jacksonville.
2026 BB retires w/ all-time highest win total.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Sorry if you thought my intention was to politicize the thread. But your complaint is kind of knee jerk reaction. The point was to show how even an undeniable lie can be observed as a truth by people who want that narrative to be true. I needed an example and the 2020 election lie was an obvious choice at the time. If I had given it more thought I could have used the one where there are STILL people who believe to their core that Brady was guilty of deflating footballs despite the lack of ANY discernible evidence. They just WANT it to be true.

BUT my point is, it was a good example of where the thread was going....at least IMHO.

I don’t disagree it’s your point, I just think any injection of politics into this forum leads to a bad outcome.

 

[Real fan 02]

Wait. What? When did Breer become a "top notch reputable reporter"?

I was was just making mention that Peter King, Mike reiss, Curran, perry, Karen gurgregian are some of the most reputable and respected sports journalists.. Unless I've missed something I hadn't seen any reports from them refuting. Karen actually mentioned she feels it came from Mac's camp!

 

[Triumph]

The only way that Jones gets traded is if some team gives up a 1st. That is never happening.

BB kept Harry into his 4th training camp. BB kept Wynn around. There is no way that BB is going to deal Mac Jones away and admit that he made a huge blunder. BB is way too stubborn.

 

[Ian]

The only way that Jones gets traded is if some team gives up a 1st. That is never happening.

BB kept Harry into his 4th training camp. BB kept Wynn around. There is no way that BB is going to deal Mac Jones away and admit that he made a huge blunder. BB is way too stubborn.

Jones isn't a huge blunder based on what we saw his first season and what he showed at times down the stretch last year. Not to mention that there wasn't - and hasn't been - a better alternative at quarterback available to this point, so we have who we have, and he was the best available at the time.

N'Keal Harry was a huge blunder. The verdict is still out on Jones, but anyone who mentions Harry - who had to be told where to line up by Jones (who was a rookie at the time) in his third season with the team - would be the very definition of that term. It's not even close

 

[Triumph]

Jones isn't a huge blunder based on what we saw his first season and what he showed at times down the stretch last year. Not to mention that there wasn't - and hasn't been - a better alternative at quarterback available to this point, so we have who we have, and he was the best available at the time.

N'Keal Harry was a huge blunder. The verdict is still out on Jones, but anyone who mentions Harry - who had to be told where to line up by Jones (who was a rookie at the time) in his third season with the team - would be the very definition of that term. It's not even close

When you disect the 2021 season you find that it wasn't all that good for Jones.

 

[Ian]

When you disect the 2021 season you find that it wasn't all that good for Jones.

You're forgetting the kid was a rookie and still well outperformed his peers. I don't know what your benchmark is, but he had one of the best rookie seasons for a rookie QB in the last decade and certainly exceeded most expectations many of us had for him.



Obviously, last year was a mess, and we'll see how this one goes. But Brady's gone, and there are only a handful of elite QBs in the league as it is, and that pool is quickly being diluted, given the recent retirements or guys who have just declined. As a result, we're going to have to lower the bar there and hope Jones either improves this year or, if not, Zappe can ultimately be the guy, or a better alternative comes along.

But great QBs don't grow on trees, and elite ones are rare (teams often go decades without one, we were extremely lucky), so "it is what it is."

 

[Real fan 02]

Jones isn't a huge blunder based on what we saw his first season and what he showed at times down the stretch last year. Not to mention that there wasn't - and hasn't been - a better alternative at quarterback available to this point, so we have who we have, and he was the best available at the time.

N'Keal Harry was a huge blunder. The verdict is still out on Jones, but anyone who mentions Harry - who had to be told where to line up by Jones (who was a rookie at the time) in his third season with the team - would be the very definition of that term. It's not even close

Harry's attitude as they say was the biggest reason why he flamed out. They guy's gifted and is a physical specimen as a WR. He just didn't want to deal with the grind the patriots ask of thier player's.

Mac absolutely your right, he's who we have and we need Mac's to carry this team to victories. We just need to win.. once we can do that the doubt will ease up.

 

[jimnance]

Despite a crappy 2nd year, much of which wasn't his fault, Mac is still easily the 2nd best qb in that draft,after Lawrence.Thats fact.
With a bona fide OC, Mac will get some coaching and scheme help. He wasn't coached last year.
So it's obvious that Mac will be much better in 2023 than 2022.
How much better? Who knows. That's mostly up to Mac. He needs to show more maturity and leadership than last year,while also showing more improvement on mechanics,etc.
If he does that,we'll know he can lead this team.
If he improves but still has many question marks,then his trade value will be much greater after the season than now.

 

[PatsFan2]

Despite a crappy 2nd year, much of which wasn't his fault, Mac is still easily the 2nd best qb in that draft,after Lawrence.Thats fact.
With a bona fide OC, Mac will get some coaching and scheme help. He wasn't coached last year.
So it's obvious that Mac will be much better in 2023 than 2022.
How much better? Who knows. That's mostly up to Mac. He needs to show more maturity and leadership than last year,while also showing more improvement on mechanics,etc.
If he does that,we'll know he can lead this team.
If he improves but still has many question marks,then his trade value will be much greater after the season than now.

Really? I would take Justin Fields 24/7 365 days of the year he had worse Coaching. If Mac's your second best from that class it means it was real crappy.

 

[Ian]

Really? I would take Justin Fields 24/7 365 days of the year he had worse Coaching. If Mac's your second best from that class it means it was real crappy.

The numbers are what they are from that season. And there are plenty of Bears fans who are just as skeptical about Fields as you are about Mac. Obviously, this is a big year for both players, so we'll have to see how it plays out.

 

[PatsFan2]

You're forgetting the kid was a rookie and still well outperformed his peers. I don't know what your benchmark is, but he had one of the best rookie seasons for a rookie QB in the last decade and certainly exceeded most expectations many of us had for him.



Obviously, last year was a mess, and we'll see how this one goes. But Brady's gone, and there are only a handful of elite QBs in the league as it is, and that pool is quickly being diluted, given the recent retirements or guys who have just declined. As a result, we're going to have to lower the bar there and hope Jones either improves this year or, if not, Zappe can ultimately be the guy, or a better alternative comes along.

But great QBs don't grow on trees, and elite ones are rare (teams often go decades without one, we were extremely lucky), so "it is what it is."

Interesting based on the numbers you'd think Jameis Winston would be budding Hofer. I'll take Murray and Pickett the rest are all stiffs.

 

[Ian]

Interesting based on the numbers you'd think Jameis Winston would be budding Hofer. I'll take Murray and Pickett the rest are all stiffs.

Justin Herbert is a stiff?

 

[sb1]

Picking Mac in the 2021 draft was a "huge blunder"? I wouldn't go that far. The team needed a QB, one season of a broken down Cam was enough.

I would have picked Lawrence over Mac but the Patriots had no shot to get him. Mills would have been an interesting alternative to Mac a year ago but now - not really.

 

[Ian]

a "huge blunder"?