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if hes willing to be a roleplayer, could we use Randy Moss?

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I sometimes wonder if people will say anything just to prove a point. Randy Moss didn't want to play for the sorry teams that he played for (Vikings and Titans) so he tanked it. It was the same thing he did in Oakland before coming to the Patriots and lighting up the league. He basically talked himself out of NE. Having nothing left, as you seem to suggest, had nothing to do with him no longer being in a Patriots uniform.

So Moss didn't want to play here either because apparently he tanked it here too. It is BS that he tanked it. He wanted a big contract this offseason. At his age tanking it would get him exactly what he has - a seat on the couch every Sunday.



One game? Did you watch the loss to the Jets in the playoffs? Did you watch the game against Cleveland last season? When teams come up and challenge the receivers, it causes all kinds of problems for the Patriots' offense. What is your defense for when Brady actually had all day to throw the ball and still ended up taking a sack, throwing the ball away, or getting knocked down? A receiver who could create separation would negate that. There were a few plays where Brady just had to throw it into tight coverage. Heck, the game-winning TD was as tight as it gets. We're very fortunate that Brady is as accurate as he is, or those plays don't happen.

What would a deep threat have done today when the Cowboys went through the Pats' o-line like swiss cheese even one time with only three rushers. To have a deep threat, you need time for him to get down the field and Brady didn't have a lot of that today. Brady's biggest problem today outside of anything he did himself was he didn't have time to make a lot of his throws.



Though I don't completely disagree with this statement, there is nothing you can say to convince me that he knows the offense better than Randy. I don't care what kind of offense is being run in Denver, Randy still gets the advantage here by a long shot. You don't know what Moss would be willing to do to play again. Just because you think he's done doesn't mean he's done. Again, there were plenty of people who thought the man was done in Oakland. How did that turn out?

This offense got better after they traded away Moss. Who cares if Moss knows the offense better. He was no longer an asset for the team. Lloyd is four years younger and still in his prime. I would rather take a guy who you know hasn't hit the age wall than a guy you don't even know if he has anything left like you gotta ask about Moss.

In the end, this is just debate. No matter who the Patriots suit up on Sunday, it won't be because of your opinions or mine. The team sits atop the AFC East at 5-1 (should be 6-0). I'm happy with what we have, but you always want to see improvement.

The Pats should be 6-0, but again it had nothing to do with a deep threat. I still don't think this team is any better than Moss. He was a negative affect on Brady in the first Jets game.
 
So Moss didn't want to play here either because apparently he tanked it here too. It is BS that he tanked it. He wanted a big contract this offseason. At his age tanking it would get him exactly what he has - a seat on the couch every Sunday.

Of course he did.



What would a deep threat have done today when the Cowboys went through the Pats' o-line like swiss cheese even one time with only three rushers. To have a deep threat, you need time for him to get down the field and Brady didn't have a lot of that today. Brady's biggest problem today outside of anything he did himself was he didn't have time to make a lot of his throws.

That's just it, buddy, Moss was not just a deep threat. Yes, that is primarily how he was used, but he could get the kind of separation, even on other routes, that our current group struggles to get at times. PERIOD. It's funny how you seem to have no response for the fact that there were plenty of plays (PLENTY) where Brady had more than five seconds and there was nobody open. He had to hold on the ball longer than we ever see Brady holding on to the ball. That is a direct result of the corners jamming and disrupting the smaller receivers.



This offense got better after they traded away Moss. Who cares if Moss knows the offense better. He was no longer an asset for the team. Lloyd is four years younger and still in his prime. I would rather take a guy who you know hasn't hit the age wall than a guy you don't even know if he has anything left like you gotta ask about Moss.

The offense changed, but whether it got better is subjective. Just because you say it got better doesn't necessarily mean it did. Moss could probably be an asset to some team. Again, just because you say he is not an asset doesn't make that a true statement. If it did, why are you not making big bucks as an evaluator on some level for some team, school, or organization? Just because you get a few kudos for you 'quick thoughts' threads doesn't mean you know everything and other people know nothing. This is all subjective. It is your OPINION that Moss has nothing left. There appears to be no fact whatsoever.

The Pats should be 6-0, but again it had nothing to do with a deep threat. I still don't think this team is any better than Moss. He was a negative affect on Brady in the first Jets game.

Never said it did, buddy. I don't remember typing anything of the sort. But alas, you win, Rob. I wish my football acumen was in the same stratosphere. I can't compete, sir. Moss is done because you say so. That's all there is to it.
 
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Without seeing him working out, I have no idea. The team could certainly use a receiver who could consistently threaten middle-deep, though.
 
I want Randy back too. Think he could help the team.

Also don't think it'll happen.

That said, for people that feel this way, there's nothing wrong with keeping fingers and toes crossed all the same, right?
 
Of course he did.

Ok, you got me. Of course, he went into the year saying he wanted to get paid and then played easily the worst season of his career on three different teams thinking he could just dog it and hook up with any team he wanted to at $10 million a year. Sorry it was nothing like in Oakland because he wanted out. He wanted to get paid this offseason.





That's just it, buddy, Moss was not just a deep threat. Yes, that is primarily how he was used, but he could get the kind of separation, even on other routes, that our current group struggles to get at times. PERIOD. It's funny how you seem to have no response for the fact that there were plenty of plays (PLENTY) where Brady had more than five seconds and there was nobody open. He had to hold on the ball longer than we ever see Brady holding on to the ball. That is a direct result of the corners jamming and disrupting the smaller receivers.

And last year, Moss wasn't even a deep threat. The only role he really excelled at last year was a decoy (even with the Patriots) and he wasn't even that didn't last all year. Sorry, but if you want someone to stretch the field, it isn't Moss anymore. He rapidly declined since midseason of 2009.

There were times when Brady had time and many other times when he had none. I don't think Moss would have made one iota of difference. Maybe Lloyd might have, but Moss is done.




Again, just because you say he is not an asset doesn't make that a true statement. If it did, why are you not making big bucks as an evaluator on some level for some team, school, or organization? Just because you get a few kudos for you 'quick thoughts' threads doesn't mean you know everything and other people know nothing. This is all subjective. It is your OPINION that Moss has nothing left. There appears to be no fact whatsoever.

He was such an asset that Belichick traded him away. I'm sure Belichick said "We really need Randy to stretch the field and we are probably one and done in the playoffs without him, but the Vikes are offering a third rounder." and then he said this year "Randy could really be an asset on this team this year, but let's let him sit at home the first six weeks." It has nothing to do with my opinion. If Belichick thought Randy was an asset, he would be a New England Patriot today. Belichick doesn't consider him an asset. Randy would play here for the veteran minimum and all indications are that the Pats have no interest in him.




Never said it did, buddy. I don't remember typing anything of the sort. But alas, you win, Rob. I wish my football acumen was in the same stratosphere. I can't compete, sir. Moss is done because you say so. That's all there is to it.

Moss is done because the league said so, not me. My football knowledge means nothing here. The Jets are in desperate need of WR help and reportedly Randy would play for them. He is isn't there. As I said, he would kill to play for the Patriots and he is still waiting by the telephone for their call. Other than one unsubstantiated report that the Eagles called him, not one team has made an effort to even work him out. That is telling to what GMs around the league think about him.

Why is it when someone says that a former player who is not getting any calls to play by any team is done, do the people who love that player think it is some crazy concept that a player no one wants is done? It isn't being "cool". It is stating the obvious.
 
if hes willing to be a roleplayer, could we use Randy Moss?

You mean like with my wife? God no - I don't even want to contemplate that.

If Randy's into that sort of thing he should seek out Rex Ryan.
 
Honestly I thought his speed dropped in 2010 so I would pass.
 
What does playing Dungeons and Dragons have to do with whether he should be a receiver on the team or not?

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Forget him.

did you ever notice that when an R rated movie is edited for TV, they always change the word (f) to "forget you"?

That's not what you meant, is it?
 
Die thread die!!!!!

That was my first thought. But, I feel good about the win and it's better than someone trying to sneak another thread about "that team" on the football forum.
 
I seriously doubt that Belichick expected Ochocinco to be an elite WR. I can almost guarantee you that if the Pats brought Moss back, the only elite WR they would still have is Welker.

Moss sucked last year here, in Minnesota, and in Tennessee. The guy is done. Let's move on. Rather trade for Brandon Lloyd than bring back Moss.

Agreed. Moss wasn't getting open in TEN and had very little production. Coupled that with him being 34, hasn't had training camp, preseason or regular season I'd pass.
 
he might not have the physical skills he used to, but this is a system that thrives on their receivers being in tune with the offense and brady rather than physical skills.

Branch isnt getting open and racking up yards based on his physical skills, its based on his knowledge of the system and knowing what brady wants..moss has that rapport as well

dont get me wrong, i was all pro-moss trade last year because I thought he was a detriment to the pats gameplan...But, he seemed to really regret it once he was gone and I think he could help us...especially against teams that can shut down branch/limit welker...for a short term solution, he may be a good/low risk choice...im not saying he be the moss of 2007, but he could fill a role that bill traded for Ocho for and isnt working out that well
 
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he might not have the physical skills he used to, but this is a system that thrives on their receivers being in tune with the offense and brady rather than physical skills.

Branch isnt getting open and racking up yards based on his physical skills, its based on his knowledge of the system and knowing what brady wants..moss has that rapport as well

dont get me wrong, i was all pro-moss trade last year because I thought he was a detriment to the pats gameplan...But, he seemed to really regret it once he was gone and I think he could help us...especially against teams that can shut down branch/limit welker...for a short term solution, he may be a good/low risk choice...im not saying he be the moss of 2007, but he could fill a role that bill traded for Ocho for and isnt working out that well

The difference between Branch and Moss is that what made Moss special was his incredible physical skills and what made Branch special was his football smarts with decent skills. To be a great deep threat, you need to be fast and able to fight for balls which Moss was the best, possibly all time, at for most of his career. To be a great route runner, you need to run precise routes and be where your QB expects you. That isn't as dependent on physical talent.

What is a deep threat who isn't fast enough to get a step on the defender or strong enough to fight for a jump ball? Branch and Moss are two different types of WRs and each type have different skill sets and Moss' type of WR relies more on physical skills.
 
did you ever notice that when an R rated movie is edited for TV, they always change the word (f) to "forget you"?

That's not what you meant, is it?

Nope, I actually meant, forget him. I don't wish him anything bad. For a myriad of reasons, he ain't comin' back.
 
No. In other WR news, Price lined up for couple of snaps in the 2nd series.

YAY. He is on the field!! WOHOOOO:rocker:
 
It has nothing to do with not scoring 30 points.

Everyone here is so quick to anoint TFB as the GOAT, but what do you think is happening when he gets to stand in a clean pocket for 5 seconds and can't find anybody?

It's either he really isn't the best and can't hit a small window, or our guys aren't getting open. Every recent loss since the SB has looked the same away. Jam the WRs, clog the intermediate passing lanes, and you kill the offense. We are in desperate need of someone who can get open against good corners and catch a ball down field consistently.

The Patriots, with the best record in the AFC, are not "desperate" for anything.

The Patriots terrific running game provides balance and clock management options. If the opposition chooses to focus on jamming receivers and "clogging the intermediate passing lanes," whatever that means, they get gashed by the Patriots rushing attack. We watched that two games in a row.

As the Dallas game wore on, Rob Ryan's defense looked increasingly vanilla because they had to account for BJGE, Woodhead and Ridley on every play. When the Pats were sticking with passing, it was the no-huddle and they rammed the ball down their throats with underneath and intermediate passes.

The two drives before the TD that won it were stopped not by coverage schemes but on a reception that turned into fumble on a great individual play, and an interception that was not a coverage pick but caused by a pass rusher hitting Brady's arm and shoulder as he released the ball.

One last point about Tom Brady. You ask what happens when he gets to stand in the pocket for 5 seconds - he beats the other team. This was his 32nd 4th quarter comeback for a victory - two full seasons worth. We may never see another quarterback in this guy's league in a Patriot uniform ever again. Enjoy this.
 
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