I would like a vote

[p8ryts]

Not sure what the answer is but I got really turned off by the posters on this site this year. NEM doesn't bother me, he's like the little boy that cried wolf. I do have to resist the urge to respond to him. It's the new Pats fan that bothers me, the ones that think every decision and game needs to be perfect and if we don't win the SB the season is a failure. There is no way to legislate against those fans. I guess there is not much you can do about that and if they represent the mentality of the fan base then its too bad but I guess its reality. Just like TV, reality is not reality. HUH?

Anyway, leave them alone, despite my distaste for their perspective they are entitled to it and we shouldn't deprive them of the opportunity to express their opinion.

 

[sdaniels7114]

What's the value in leaving a thread that's nothing more than:

You're a poopy head!

No YOU'RE a Poopy head!

x 1000? Either lock 'em as soon as they pop up or let each member of the usual gang of idiots and attention whores get 1 statement in the thread and then lock them.

 

[PatsMyBoyz!]

I don't get involved in the posts/threads Andy is speaking of (btw thank you Andy,for asking);the only reason I posted here is because it was started by a mod and I was hoping it was a re-poll of the a-clown section lol
Seriously though,I've refrained from posting on a few good football threads because they had quickly turned from the original topic into a keyboard volley.That situation bothers me more than the obvious subjects which thankfully gives one the option of either reading for entertainment or skipping.
But with the fast and furious activity on this board and my tendency to only read the 1st or 2nd pages,I'd vote for locking,deleting,or moving them elsewhere.
Now that the offseason is here,I think doing something about it becomes that much more of an issue,lest they take over what few Pats topics we'll have.

 

[fgssand]

My suggestions would be :

1. Inform the main protagonists that the creating of 'vendetta' threads is not acceptable behaviour.

2. Give them a single warning about their future conduct regarding this matter.

3. If they break the code of conduct then lock the thread (or delete if you have that power) and ban the transgressor for good.

There is no need for any middle ground, any compromises, all the people involved in this never ending fiasco are well aware of how they should be conducting themselves on this board.

One false move, and you are out.

To be anymore lenient suggests a lack of fortitude.

NM

AGREED - I come to this board quite often and I come here for FOOTBALL talk only. This is a wonderful source of all breaking news about our favorite team as well as all kinds of Patriot related knowledge.

I never respond to the rediculous threads that get personal and spiteful.

Lock em down - I hate 'em.

 

[Deus Irae]

I haven't been following football, or this blog, since the Patriots lost. Having seen bad pass interference calls and non-calls cost the team games in the playoffs 2 seasons in a row, I knew that I would only get in trouble if I posted when I was still that angry. So, as a result, I've apparently missed the NEM vs. the world stuff starting up again.

So, let me put it in generic terms: If NEM has gone back on his promise, he should be banned immediately and never allowed back. If he hasn't gone back on his promise, and the threads are people attacking him personally without cause, the threads should be locked. If the threads are attacking, but are about comments rather than personal issues, they should be allowed to continue.


That's my 2¢

 

[Don_the_patfan]

I am an admin/mod in a couple of message boards. We had the same problem with people having back and forth discussions that crossed the line. Best thing to do is to open a different an uncensored section where they can go have those discussions. It's the best of both worlds it keeps this place clean of people swearing and crossing the line while at the same time it caters to the people who love this stuff. All they have to do is to go to that other subforum.

It worked in that forum I administer. Everyone will be satisfied.

 

[spacecrime]

"I'm better because I'm not American" routine and then called Fixit fart face. It was all clearly in good fun though and that is an essential difference.

What is happening on this board is NOT in good fun.

Yeah, when I say it, I'm joking and it's fun, but when you say it is mean and spiteful. Perfect.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Thanks, by the way, for being concerned about OT threads and ephemera like what you're trying to address.

I just want to celebrate the correct use of the word "ephemera."

Carry on.

 

[gomezcat]

I would have to assume that being a "fartface" is not quite as messy as being a "poopyface." Would you agree.

Yes, I would agree, Poopyhead.

 

[CTPatsFan]

Ideally, it'd be good if you could just delete the offending posts but (understandably) due to time constraints and other responsibilities outside the forum, that's not always possible.

While it's kind of a shame to lock down what could be an otherwise good thread, lock them and put an end to it. And have a separate "B!tch Slap Forum" where these guys can all go for their textual slap fights and hopefully keep in out of the Fan Forum.

 

[gomezcat]

Yeah, when I say it, I'm joking and it's fun, but when you say it is mean and spiteful. Perfect.

It's all about context and is blindingly obvious 90% of the time, isn't it?
If I call someone a Poopy Head in a jokey thread about insults, then it is different to me calling someone an a hole in a heated thread, especially where it is clear that I dislike the poster in question. Take the thread about black Head Coaches. It was clear that I was posting heatedly and as such any insults would have been meant. I had to apologise to patsworldchamps as I was out of line. At least, that's how I see it. Hopefully, fixit understood I was joking and wasn't offended. If he or she didn't, then I apologise unreservedly.

 

[lutontown_fc]

I agree. Let's introduce zero tolerance.


BTW, as a Manchester United fan actually from Manchester, I don't believe I ever said thanks for the Raddy Antic goal that sent City down in the 80s. When I think of Luton Town, I think of the plastic pitch, Steve Foster and others from that era.

Hey you are very welcome - we'll throw in the David Pleat 'victory jig' for free!

Unfortunately those days will likely never be repeated - the days of Brain Stein, Mick Harford, Fozzy with the magic head band.....as good days..good days..

NM

 

[frankiesfly]

Chummy isnt the word. It's pure vindictive to anyone who isnt in their "chummy" little group.

And, someone here just told me that the use of one word I posted was wrong, and that kids and women post here and could read it. And, I agreed, and indicated that I was wrong to use that word.

Wanna see some real filth,. and garbage, that kids and women can see, go and take a peek over there.

And, you know what, its too bad that the site there has degenerated into that kind of scum, and filth, all within the football forum pages.

When that site began, and I was there for the beginning, and even advertised it over here so they could get new members, when that site began, it was much like this one, very good, and serious football discussion.... and somehow, as it grew, and certain members joined, it just got out of hand,and out of control.

Personally, I think that the person who runs that site is a good person, and a good Pats fan,. but for whatever reason, he allows some filth and some real disgusting things to go by the boards, and allows people tocome in there and bring things up that eminate from this forum, and that is wrong, IMO....

I, personally, had nothing against them over there, until a few posters took one of my posts, one that was clearly described with a disclaimer on the bottom as being tongue in cheek and NOT factual... until they took it and blew it way out of proportion , that things got out of hand, and most of that trouble was instigated by one poster here who does it here, and even uses my name over and over, on that site, a site where I have no ability to respond.

So, it is far more than just "chummy." And, you know what, it was, at one time, a really great Pats fans message board, until a few troublemakers, somce that went there from here, changed it into what it is now...and its not pretty, and that is sad.

I dont like that site too much myself.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

My suggestions would be :

1. Inform the main protagonists that the creating of 'vendetta' threads is not acceptable behaviour.

2. Give them a single warning about their future conduct regarding this matter.

3. If they break the code of conduct then lock the thread (or delete if you have that power) and ban the transgressor for good.

There is no need for any middle ground, any compromises, all the people involved in this never ending fiasco are well aware of how they should be conducting themselves on this board.

One false move, and you are out.

To be anymore lenient suggests a lack of fortitude.

NM

I think most of us could live with this. Unfortunately a few dozen could not and the fortitude to deal with them has been MIA here for some time. I have mentioned several times over the last couple of years when problems or problem children have raised their selfish heads that not really having clearly deliniated posting and conduct rules or consistent enforcement of what few rules exist is the root of the problem. Ian seems content to let the board loosly police itself, yet because he doesn't even clearly indicate that, those rational members who attempt to are labeled forum Natzi's. Those he chose to serve as Mods here are by their own admission severely limited in what they can do and are routinely attacked or engaged themselves by the self absorbed children on this board who seem to sense it is unlikely there will be any serious repercussions.

Ian has been made aware on several occasions lately of the animosity that is creaping into this forum and the desire of the majority of it's members to see that at least limited to a sub forum. The ball is in his court, as always, because the last time I checked this was, contrary to what some here believe, Ian's web site and message board. Although with NEM threatening to acquire it the mass exodus would make the need for all these periodic cathartic discussions moot.

 

[patchick]

if you look at those threads, most of the responses are from the same person replying over and over again, and repeating himself. Those threads has no real substance , they should be locked.

This is a great point. On Wikipedia, when two users go back and forth on adds/deletes a certain number of times the item of debate just gets frozen. Similarly here, you know a thread has gone down the toilet when there are repeated rounds of "did not - did too."

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I dont like that site too much myself.

Sure, but have you gone there for the purpose of attacking them? NEM has, which is why I would like to see AJ and the mod squad have more authority then thread lock and move, I have faith in their judgement and tolerance.

 

[Ring 6]

Truly incredible.
I ask people to respond to whether they agree with locking threads that are filled with childish argument, and it takes me half an hour to read through the real responses, because it is filled with childish argument.

Thank you to those that gave their input, it was greatly appreciated, and thank you also to those 'leopards' who showed their spots. The responses in this thread were very informative for both reasons.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

AJ, shmessy, and Mods:

Is it possible for you to just freeze a user's account until Ian has had a chance to review the matter? For example: NEM posts another rant about Patriots' Planet and I speak to his congress with small animals and ancestry derived from tape worms. You lock the thread and freeze our accounts until Ian has time to deal with us. As long as NEM persists in his attempts to create bad blood, I will be irritating a lot of people by not cowering in a corner.

 

[PATRIOTS-80]

Truly incredible.
I ask people to respond to whether they agree with locking threads that are filled with childish argument, and it takes me half an hour to read through the real responses, because it is filled with childish argument.

Thank you to those that gave their input, it was greatly appreciated, and thank you also to those 'leopards' who showed their spots. The responses in this thread were very informative for both reasons.

its pretty obvious that something needs to be done. The status quo will just result in a very argumentative off-season.

 

[gomezcat]

Truly incredible.
I ask people to respond to whether they agree with locking threads that are filled with childish argument, and it takes me half an hour to read through the real responses, because it is filled with childish argument.

Thank you to those that gave their input, it was greatly appreciated, and thank you also to those 'leopards' who showed their spots. The responses in this thread were very informative for both reasons.

You asked a good question and it wasn't very surprising that people responded the way they did. As people, we have a tendency to act in reasonably predictable ways in given situations.